2021 Off Season Discussion Thread

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Classic JR Tweeting a quote by Schwartz about his dad passing saying he didn’t have much motivation to train or play without giving the context that HIS DAD DIED SUDDENLY! He later clarified that it’s from the article about his dad’s passing, but many people will only see the quote and assume Schwartz was just loafing around all year for no reason.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Classic JR Tweeting a quote by Schwartz about his dad passing saying he didn’t have much motivation to train or play without giving the context that HIS DAD DIED SUDDENLY! He later clarified that it’s from the article about his dad’s passing, but many people will only see the quote and assume Schwartz was just loafing around all year for no reason.

JR only telling half the story? Color me shocked.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

JR only telling half the story? Color me shocked.

Yet another lazy JR article. Schwartz sad. Schenn says was rough on Schwartz. Schwartz looking forward to fresh start.

 

[Majorityof1]

GA/60 on the PK is highly dependent on luck.

Every hockey stat is dependent on luck to some extent, as well as a bunch of other factors. But they do give us some information. Coupled with the eye-test, I am very confident that Faulk was at least part of the problem with his poor PK GA/60. As I said, he made a lot of bone-headed plays on the PK that led to goals. He often chased the puck/players way too far from the net leaving one side of the net undefended for an easy cross ice pass. He also didn't react fast enough when they play shifted.

I can't quantify the eye test though. Someone looking with rose-colored glasses will not remember the same. That's why we use stats. So what stat can I use to help quantify how he was on the PK? He was 20th worst in xGA/60. 12th worst in HDCA/60. He was bottom 3rd in the league in individual blocked shots per 60 despite being top 3rd in Fenwick Against per 60. He was one of 40 D not the have a single takeaway on the PK despite being top 15 in PK ice time. Every stat confirms what I saw. What proof do you have that he was just unlucky?

 

[bleedblue1223]

I mean I get a lot of the JR bashing when it comes to things specific to hockey or speculation or his insight, etc., but I don't have a problem with that article or his tweets. It's the type of article that he does well, those feel-good stories about players and a behind the scenes look.

Both of his tweets mentioned Schwartz's dad passing.

 

[Brian39]

I mean I get a lot of the JR bashing when it comes to things specific to hockey or speculation or his insight, etc., but I don't have a problem with that article or his tweets. It's the type of article that he does well, those feel-good stories about players and a behind the scenes look.

Both of his tweets mentioned Schwartz's dad passing.

I don't have an issue with the article. But his tweet teasing the article (not the one linking the article) didn't mention his dad.



He specifically excluded the part of the quote talking about his dad and how his hesitancy to come back was related to that grief. A few hours later he tweeted about it again but he cleaned up the quote to provide context. Given how hard he has been reporting Tarasenko's issues with the team, I have an exceptionally hard time believing that he didn't realize that excluding that context would leave some people to believe that Schwartz's lack of motivation might be due to the organization.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Ok, didn't go down his feed enough to see that. I'd argue that anyone following Rutherford on twitter, knows that Schwartz's dad passed. I'm not going to rake him over the coals for that. It's a pretty big leap if someone was going to assume that Schwartz's quote without proper context meant he was upset at the organization like Tarasenko was.

 

[Xerloris]

Ok, didn't go down his feed enough to see that. I'd argue that anyone following Rutherford on twitter, knows that Schwartz's dad passed. I'm not going to rake him over the coals for that. It's a pretty big leap if someone was going to assume that Schwartz's quote without proper context meant he was upset at the organization like Tarasenko was.

He works for the Athletic, not the little local newspaper anymore. How many people who don't know anything about Schwartz now think there is beef between him and the Blues or that he's a locker room cancer? He did it on purpose to stir drama and that's all he's good for anymore.

 

[bleedblue1223]

He works for the Athletic, not the little local newspaper anymore. How many people who don't know anything about Schwartz now think there is beef between him and the Blues or that he's a locker room cancer? He did it on purpose to stir drama and that's all he's good for anymore.

No one or a very small minority. I mean, show you work if you are going to make claims like this. If if that's their conclusion, then that's on them, not JR.

 

[joe galiba]

There wasn't any real reason NOT to include the part about his fathers' death, NONE
it had direct relevance to what Schwartz was talking about, no reason not to include it, unless...

 

[bleedblue1223]

Unless what? The smooth brain conspiracy stuff in here is off the charts.

 

[joe galiba]

unless he left off intentionally
deliberately
clickbate headline styling for the purpose of trying to get people to purchase his product
if he includes the part about his father dying when teasing the article, most people wouldn't need to read his work behind a paywall about it, as something awful like that is very self evident how it could be draining emotionally

 

[bleedblue1223]

Yes, he created a tweet to entice people to read his story, just like every other journalist on twitter. Do you really think everyone would just not read the story if he included in the tweet that his dad passed away? It's a simple puff piece that offered some background insight, you either like that type of story or you don't, and knowing that his dad died isn't going to be the determining factor on reading it or not. It's a widely known piece of information for hockey fans.

And if the point is it's pointless to read articles that are self-evident, then that applies to a lot of articles on a lot of topics, that doesn't make them less valid as an article.

 

[Xerloris]

No one or a very small minority. I mean, show you work if you are going to make claims like this. If if that's their conclusion, then that's on them, not JR.

That tweet was posted on reddit so therefore it's been seen by thousands of people that know nothing of Schwartz or the Blues.

 

[bleedblue1223]

That tweet was posted on reddit so therefore it's been seen by thousands of people that know nothing of Schwartz or the Blues.

Which subreddit and just because you see the tweet doesn't mean you think he has an issue with the club or is a locker room cancer.

 

[MissouriMook]

 

[LGB]

Every hockey stat is dependent on luck to some extent, as well as a bunch of other factors. But they do give us some information. Coupled with the eye-test, I am very confident that Faulk was at least part of the problem with his poor PK GA/60. As I said, he made a lot of bone-headed plays on the PK that led to goals. He often chased the puck/players way too far from the net leaving one side of the net undefended for an easy cross ice pass. He also didn't react fast enough when they play shifted.

I can't quantify the eye test though. Someone looking with rose-colored glasses will not remember the same. That's why we use stats. So what stat can I use to help quantify how he was on the PK? He was 20th worst in xGA/60. 12th worst in HDCA/60. He was bottom 3rd in the league in individual blocked shots per 60 despite being top 3rd in Fenwick Against per 60. He was one of 40 D not the have a single takeaway on the PK despite being top 15 in PK ice time. Every stat confirms what I saw. What proof do you have that he was just unlucky?

Some stats, particularly those dealing with very small data sets, are much more prone to variance. We're talking a stat with only 23 data points. To me the xGA/60 and FA/60 are much better stats. I wasn't really disputing your point about Faulk just didn't think on-ice GA rate was a super useful stat to measure his individual impact as a PKer.

I'm with you as far as Faulk being a bit overrated after last year. He was very good offensively at the beginning of the season, but definitely cooled off as the season went on, and he's always about average defensively. During his hot start he was jumping into the rush a lot and I think we should try to deploy him more often with a line that can attack off the rush. He and Kyrou specifically had much better numbers with each other than without.

 

[BlueOil]

No one or a very small minority. I mean, show you work if you are going to make claims like this. If if that's their conclusion, then that's on them, not JR.

feels like you're going too far to defend JR here. it's not that bad overall, but it can easily be misinterpreted and that's somewhat due to how JR crafted it.

 

[bleedblue1223]

feels like you're going too far to defend JR here. it's not that bad overall, but it can easily be misinterpreted and that's somewhat due to how JR crafted it.

I'm not even defending JR, and from my previous posts about him on this board, I'm one of the more outspoken ones against him. Hate how he retweets his old tweets about the same story just to get more clicks out of the same people.

My problem is the logic of some on here, where they think he has this anti-Blues narrative that he's pushing to create drama. Any reasonable person would not read that tweet and immediately assume that Schwartz has an issue with the club like Tarasenko has or that he is a locker room cancer. That is just an absurd jump to make.

 

[Celtic Note]

I'm not even defending JR, and from my previous posts about him on this board, I'm one of the more outspoken ones against him. Hate how he retweets his old tweets about the same story just to get more clicks out of the same people.

My problem is the logic of some on here, where they think he has this anti-Blues narrative that he's pushing to create drama. Any reasonable person would not read that tweet and immediately assume that Schwartz has an issue with the club like Tarasenko has or that he is a locker room cancer. That is just an absurd jump to make.

I don’t take issue with him leaving out the part about his dad and his passing because of some potential to drum up questions about whether there was some conflict with the team or not.

I do take issue with it being left out because the most important thing about that quote was that Jaden lost his father. The rest of the quote pales in comparison to that fact. Acknowledging the loss of his father in the tweet and showing some empathy would have been much better deploying the tweet as he did.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I don’t take issue with him leaving out the part about his dad and his passing because of some potential to drum up questions about whether there was some conflict with the team or not.

I do take issue with it being left out because the most important thing about that quote was that Jaden lost his father. The rest of the quote pales in comparison to that fact. Acknowledging the loss of his father in the tweet and showing some empathy would have been much better deploying the tweet as he did.

I don't disagree with this take, I agree he's 100% click-baity, and I believe it's because his numbers at The Athletic are down in comparison to other writers and he's probably feeling some internal pressure.

My issue is just with some of the posters here thinking it's anything worse than just an awkwardly written tweet because JR isn't very good at tweets and his stories. Or the people that think those that would see his tweets and have interest in reading the article already wouldn't know that his dad passed away. That's pretty common knowledge. If I was writing a story, I wouldn't feel like I would have to qualify that in a teaser to a story. There should be some level of expectation that the vast majority of people reading the story already have a level of background information on it.

 

[Brian39]

I don't disagree with this take, I agree he's 100% click-baity, and I believe it's because his numbers at The Athletic are down in comparison to other writers and he's probably feeling some internal pressure.

My issue is just with some of the posters here thinking it's anything worse than just an awkwardly written tweet because JR isn't very good at tweets and his stories. Or the people that think those that would see his tweets and have interest in reading the article already wouldn't know that his dad passed away. That's pretty common knowledge. If I was writing a story, I wouldn't feel like I would have to qualify that in a teaser to a story. There should be some level of expectation that the vast majority of people reading the story already have a level of background information on it.

I think there is a massive area between "knowing Schwartz's dad died" and "knowing that the quoted language is about Schwartz's experience and decision making in the month following that death." Stripping out the context of his father's passing not only removes the context of why Schwartz was distracted/struggling/grieving last season but also removes the context of when we are talking about. As written, this quote could just as easily be about his decision to move on from St. Louis as it was about his decision to return to St. Louis to play last season. The sentence "I didn't even know if I was going to come back" can easily be interpreted to mean 'I didn't even know if I was willing to come back to STL in 2021/22' when you don't know that he was actually talking about his decision to come back and play out the last year of his contract in 2020/21.

I'm well aware that Schwartz's dad died. Reading that tweet with no context absolutely did not tip me that the quote was about Shcwartz's feelings last offseason. Like most reports about a guy who just left in free agency, I assumed the quote was about his feelings this offseason. And I think that was JR's intent since he tweeted it out with no explanation or link to his story that included a title providing appropriate context.

If this was the first time JR has butchered a quote, I wouldn't be all that annoyed. But it was just a month ago that he selectively cut out Army's quote disputing the factual accuracy about Tarasenko's medical claims in order to misrepresent what Army's stance on the issue was. This could be JR pushing a specific narrative to drive clicks or it could just be sloppy writing. Either is inexcusable for someone that writes for a living.

 

[bleedblue1223]

And that's why you click the story and read the full context, that's the point. I think we've already gone to far with this silly discussion, especially since most of us in general aren't fans of JR, I just thought the reaction to this one was a bit silly.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

And that's why you click the story and read the full context, that's the point. I think we've already gone to far with this silly discussion, especially since most of us in general aren't fans of JR, I just thought the reaction to this one was a bit silly.

Yeah, some people don't have the money to pay for his clickbait. Especially those who have been following him since his days with STLToday. He should have at least mentioned the comment was in reference to Schwartz's father. It was horrible choice on JR to omit it.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Yeah, some people don't have the money to pay for his clickbait. Especially those who have been following him since his days with STLToday. He should have at least mentioned the comment was in reference to Schwartz's father. It was horrible choice on JR to omit it.

I guess, but there are plenty out there that basically repost the story for free or summarize it here. Of all the bad journalistic things that JR has done this summer, this ranks pretty low IMO.