2021 NHL Entry Draft - Round 1: July 23 (8 p.m. ET; ESPN2, SN, SN NOW, TVA Sports)

[Raccoon Jesus]

Re: Reinhart, for those who put stock in these sorts of things--



I guess the counterpoint would be hey, he did that in a Buffalo shitshow.

 

[kilowatt]

Re: Reinhart, for those who put stock in these sorts of things--



I guess the counterpoint would be hey, he did that in a Buffalo shitshow.

I wonder what his trade value is though. Is it the 8OA? Not interested. Is it one of our second round picks and a prospect? Okay, that's more palatable.

 

[Steve Zissou]

I wonder what his trade value is though. Is it the 8OA? Not interested. Is it one of our second round picks and a prospect? Okay, that's more palatable.

8OA may be a tad high, but rumor is that Vancouver may be offering up the 9OA and with his connection to Vancouver that may be where the wind is blowing (apparently he also said he wants to be traded back to the West Coast).

Also he's 25 and fits in that middle age tier. With the trades and or signings Blake need to do this year it should be in that age bracket. The prospects need to grow with the rest of the team to prevent another Edmonton Oilers black hole of young kids with no support.



Maybe not the best idea to have the players have to walk by the fans after every game...

 

[KingLB]

This is actually a really valid point. Good post.

I guess playing Devils advocate, what could Ranford do with a 1st round talent though?

Campbell was a first rounder...

 

[funky]

Just food for thought

every starting goalie in the playoffs this year is a former 1st rounder:

Price, Fluery, Vasilevskiy and Varlamov

 

[raswilliam]

Campbell was a first rounder...

Jonathan Bernier 11th OA in 2006

 

[FSL KINGS]

S. Reinhart goals this year.


Lots of work on PP around net. Good hands, lots of tips. Some close in & mid range snipes. Right handed shot. Only a few in transition, but that may be a function of playing for Buffalo. Buffalo did have a good PP despite a terrible year. King's could use a player like Reinhart. Comes down to cost.

From lurking the Buffalo board, Reinhart shifted to center this year after Eichel went out with the neck injury. Fans were impressed with how he did in a short stint. Think his FO% was bad from what I read.

 

[lumbergh]

S. Reinhart goals this year.


Lots of work on PP around net. Good hands, lots of tips. Some close in & mid range snipes. Right handed shot. Only a few in transition, but that may be a function of playing for Buffalo. Buffalo did have a good PP despite a terrible year. King's could use a player like Reinhart. Comes down to cost.

From lurking the Buffalo board, Reinhart shifted to center this year after Eichel went out with the neck injury. Fans were impressed with how he did in a short stint. Think his FO% was bad from what I read.

Looks just like Dustin Brown, right down to the numbers.

 

[BigKing]

Re: Reinhart, for those who put stock in these sorts of things--



I guess the counterpoint would be hey, he did that in a Buffalo shitshow.

I'm not an expert on the guy, but he did score 23 goals as a 20 year old with around 17 minutes of ice time. Hit 50 points with 25 goals at age 22 with about the same amount of ice time. Moved up to 20 minutes a game in 2020 and hit 22 goals/50 points in 69 games. This past season's 25 goals/40 points in 54 games is the outlier while he actually played a full minute less on average v. 2019. The big difference is the 19.2% shooting percentage.

Is that shooting percentage unsustainable? Sure; however, his career shooting percentage is 13.6%. If we omit last season's 19.2% clip, his career average is 12.86%. Lowest full season is 9.6% which resulted in only 17 goals in 79 games.

Brown's career % is 9.8%. Kopitar is 12.7%. Iafallo is 10%.

Toffoli is someone I think of since we are looking for a 20 goal winger and we had one. His career % is 11.1%; however, it was 10.2% with the Kings and then jumped to 15.8% in the small sample with Vancouver and then 17.7% this season with Montreal. His highest mark with LA was, no surprise, his 31 goal season when he got to play with Kopitar and also scored nine PP goals which is the highest mark of his career.

What's my point? I think Reinhart is pretty much a lock for 20 goals as long as he is playing PP1 and is with a good center. I'm encouraged that he did well without Eichel last season but the 19% shooting percentage is definitely unsustainable. 15% the year before though so, like, the guy can finish. I don't know enough about him to talk about two-way play etc...but he can score goals and has good draft pedigree. If you get a guy at 8OA that turns into a consistent 20-25 goal/50 point guy, are you going to look back and be bummed out?

 

[The Lukeman]

I'm not an expert on the guy, but he did score 23 goals as a 20 year old with around 17 minutes of ice time. Hit 50 points with 25 goals at age 22 with about the same amount of ice time. Moved up to 20 minutes a game in 2020 and hit 22 goals/50 points in 69 games. This past season's 25 goals/40 points in 54 games is the outlier while he actually played a full minute less on average v. 2019. The big difference is the 19.2% shooting percentage.

Is that shooting percentage unsustainable? Sure; however, his career shooting percentage is 13.6%. If we omit last season's 19.2% clip, his career average is 12.86%. Lowest full season is 9.6% which resulted in only 17 goals in 79 games.

Brown's career % is 9.8%. Kopitar is 12.7%. Iafallo is 10%.

Toffoli is someone I think of since we are looking for a 20 goal winger and we had one. His career % is 11.1%; however, it was 10.2% with the Kings and then jumped to 15.8% in the small sample with Vancouver and then 17.7% this season with Montreal. His highest mark with LA was, no surprise, his 31 goal season when he got to play with Kopitar and also scored nine PP goals which is the highest mark of his career.

What's my point? I think Reinhart is pretty much a lock for 20 goals as long as he is playing PP1 and is with a good center. I'm encouraged that he did well without Eichel last season but the 19% shooting percentage is definitely unsustainable. 15% the year before though so, like, the guy can finish. I don't know enough about him to talk about two-way play etc...but he can score goals and has good draft pedigree. If you get a guy at 8OA that turns into a consistent 20-25 goal/50 point guy, are you going to look back and be bummed out?

AKA something no one other than Kopitar has been able to do these past 3 seasons.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'm not an expert on the guy, but he did score 23 goals as a 20 year old with around 17 minutes of ice time. Hit 50 points with 25 goals at age 22 with about the same amount of ice time. Moved up to 20 minutes a game in 2020 and hit 22 goals/50 points in 69 games. This past season's 25 goals/40 points in 54 games is the outlier while he actually played a full minute less on average v. 2019. The big difference is the 19.2% shooting percentage.

Is that shooting percentage unsustainable? Sure; however, his career shooting percentage is 13.6%. If we omit last season's 19.2% clip, his career average is 12.86%. Lowest full season is 9.6% which resulted in only 17 goals in 79 games.

Brown's career % is 9.8%. Kopitar is 12.7%. Iafallo is 10%.

Toffoli is someone I think of since we are looking for a 20 goal winger and we had one. His career % is 11.1%; however, it was 10.2% with the Kings and then jumped to 15.8% in the small sample with Vancouver and then 17.7% this season with Montreal. His highest mark with LA was, no surprise, his 31 goal season when he got to play with Kopitar and also scored nine PP goals which is the highest mark of his career.

What's my point? I think Reinhart is pretty much a lock for 20 goals as long as he is playing PP1 and is with a good center. I'm encouraged that he did well without Eichel last season but the 19% shooting percentage is definitely unsustainable. 15% the year before though so, like, the guy can finish. I don't know enough about him to talk about two-way play etc...but he can score goals and has good draft pedigree. If you get a guy at 8OA that turns into a consistent 20-25 goal/50 point guy, are you going to look back and be bummed out?

Have you looked around this forum? We got a guy FOR FREE that does that and people hate him

Reinhard comes here and puts up 25-50 and we'll never hear the end of Kent Johnson lighting it up for Buffalo.

Come on, you're not new here!

 

[Steve Zissou]

Would be nice to see Reinhart on PP 1 and Andersson on PP 2 to tip in shots and pick up any loose change around the mouth of the net.

 

[BigKing]

Have you looked around this forum? We got a guy FOR FREE that does that and people hate him

Reinhard comes here and puts up 25-50 and we'll never hear the end of Kent Johnson lighting it up for Buffalo.

Come on, you're not new here!

Point taken but if you are saying Iafallo is the guy that does that then you are inflating Iafallo quite a bit in comparison to Reinhart.

Maybe Iafallo gets to 50 points in 2020 if he plays the full 82 as he paced for 50.37 points. Maybe 20 goals since he paced at 19.91 over 82. He actually fell off a bit on his point pace this year but still paced at the ~20 goals range at 19.38. Of course, he's also doing this at age 26 and 27 while Reinhart doesn't turn 26 until November: Iafallo turns 28 in December. Reinhart also kind of did it by himself this year so he might not actually need to be glued to a strong 1C but the sample size is small and that shooting percentage inflated.

I still get the point but I can't let the Iafallo comparison go and I don't hate the guy...actually want him to play with Byfield next season so he has a hard working guy to play with.

I think the best answer would be we still have people that say the Richards trade shouldn't have happened due to Simmonds and Schenn.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Point taken but if you are saying Iafallo is the guy that does that then you are inflating Iafallo quite a bit in comparison to Reinhart.

Maybe Iafallo gets to 50 points in 2020 if he plays the full 82 as he paced for 50.37 points. Maybe 20 goals since he paced at 19.91 over 82. He actually fell off a bit on his point pace this year but still paced at the ~20 goals range at 19.38. Of course, he's also doing this at age 26 and 27 while Reinhart doesn't turn 26 until November: Iafallo turns 28 in December. Reinhart also kind of did it by himself this year so he might not actually need to be glued to a strong 1C but the sample size is small and that shooting percentage inflated.

I still get the point but I can't let the Iafallo comparison go and I don't hate the guy...actually want him to play with Byfield next season so he has a hard working guy to play with.

I think the best answer would be we still have people that say the Richards trade shouldn't have happened due to Simmonds and Schenn.

It's not a direct comparison and Reinhart put up 65 points the last full season so he's at least a better 'producer'

My point is more one is a brand name, and one is a King, and that's the biggest thing affecting their perceptions around here.

I don't hate the idea of Reinhart at all but I DO Think people seem to think he's a play driver...he's not. He's a higher end complementary player. Think diet Logan Couture. Average skater with a huge brain and good instincts, get him in the offensive zone and life is good, anywhere else he's just 'there' (Couture is good in the dzone, though). That's not a great thing for a team that's consistently caved in but I'd argue the hope is for growth.

 

[Brodeur]

Jonathan Bernier 11th OA in 2006

8. Peter Mueller
9. James Sheppard
10. Michael Frolik
11. Jonathan Bernier
12. Bryan Little
13. Jiri Tlusty
14. Michael Grabner

Bernier looks alright compared to those names. Not every first rounder (especially outside the top tier) is a surefire top 6 F / top 4 D.

 

[BigKing]

It's not a direct comparison and Reinhart put up 65 points the last full season so he's at least a better 'producer'

My point is more one is a brand name, and one is a King, and that's the biggest thing affecting their perceptions around here.

I don't hate the idea of Reinhart at all but I DO Think people seem to think he's a play driver...he's not. He's a higher end complementary player. Think diet Logan Couture. Average skater with a huge brain and good instincts, get him in the offensive zone and life is good, anywhere else he's just 'there' (Couture is good in the dzone, though). That's not a great thing for a team that's consistently caved in but I'd argue the hope is for growth.

That's kind of why I brought up Toffoli. Now, Reinhart can play center but Blake is now looking to find a Top-6 winger kind of in Toffoli's age range and he just had the guy two TDL's ago. I've already gone over why Toffoli was probably too risky to re-sign here but it is frustrating that Blake will possibly be moving assets plus paying more for someone that might not produce at a level that much higher. Not even blaming Blake for the circumstances: just noting that it is frustrating.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Reinhardt needs a contract this offseason. It makes sense to bridge the guy on his next deal with a slight raise over the $5.2m he’s coming off of this season. But do you want to trade a high pick and/or prospect for a guy you sign for 1-3 years? That’s as bad a scenario as giving Reinhart a 6 year deal at over $5M a year.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Reinhardt needs a contract this offseason. It makes sense to bridge the guy on his next deal with a slight raise over the $5.2m he’s coming off of this season. But do you want to trade a high pick and/or prospect for a guy you sign for 1-3 years? That’s as bad a scenario as giving Reinhart a 6 year deal at over $5M a year.

That's kind of my thing, you have to really believe in Reinhart to make the kind of moves it would take to get him, I'm not sure I do. If it's a Lias-Andersson type thing where we can get away with a 2nd and a prospect or something I could be swayed, but the 8OA--even in a 'bad' draft--is a strong asset.

 

[kinghock]

S. Reinhart goals this year.


Lots of work on PP around net. Good hands, lots of tips. Some close in & mid range snipes. Right handed shot. Only a few in transition, but that may be a function of playing for Buffalo. Buffalo did have a good PP despite a terrible year. King's could use a player like Reinhart. Comes down to cost.

From lurking the Buffalo board, Reinhart shifted to center this year after Eichel went out with the neck injury. Fans were impressed with how he did in a short stint. Think his FO% was bad from what I read.

Hi style of playing remind me Kaliyev.
I am afraid if we going to trade for Reinhart we are going to spend assets and he will block Kaliyev…

 

[YP44]

8OA may be a tad high, but rumor is that Vancouver may be offering up the 9OA and with his connection to Vancouver that may be where the wind is blowing (apparently he also said he wants to be traded back to the West Coast).

Also he's 25 and fits in that middle age tier. With the trades and or signings Blake need to do this year it should be in that age bracket. The prospects need to grow with the rest of the team to prevent another Edmonton Oilers black hole of young kids with no support.



Maybe not the best idea to have the players have to walk by the fans after every game...

I love hearing Penner talk about that

 

[BringTheReign]

Hi style of playing remind me Kaliyev.
I am afraid if we going to trade for Reinhart we are going to spend assets and he will block Kaliyev…

We don't have enough scoring wingers in the top 9 to worry about blocking anyone. Also, the fact that Kaliyev got a NHL game before Byfield, Turcotte, etc. shows that he will definitely not be denied opportunities.

 

[KopitarFAN]

Just food for thought

every starting goalie in the playoffs this year is a former 1st rounder:

Price, Fluery, Vasilevskiy and Varlamov

2 of the 4 were regarded as "generational" talents, and you could make the case that others would've been drafted much higher if they weren't Russian, but that's speculation.

 

[Legionnaire]

2 of the 4 were regarded as "generational" talents, and you could make the case that others would've been drafted much higher if they weren't Russian, but that's speculation.

Who was "gennerational"‽

 

[KopitarFAN]

Who was "gennerational"‽

MAF & Price. Maybe I'm wrong, but even in 2003 & 2005 they didn't pick goaltenders that high unless they were special. I don't mean by HF rating standards, I mean they were that highly regarded by the people who do this for a living.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

MAF & Price. Maybe I'm wrong, but even in 2003 & 2005 they didn't pick goaltenders that high unless they were special. I don't mean by HF rating standards, I mean they were that highly regarded by the people who do this for a living.

Even people who do it for a living were surprised by Price going at #6. Pittsburgh traded up from #3 to move to #1 to draft Fleury, because they didn’t want to risk not being able to draft him. Eric Staal is who most figured would go #1 that year, but Florida was set on Nathan Horton, so they moved down.


But they knew what they were doing, that’s for sure. You don’t take a goalie that high unless you know he can will his team to win games. Unfortunately for the Kings, they didn’t get that the two times they selected a goalie in the first round.