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WJC: 2021 Medal Finalists/Tourney MVP/Best D-man/Goaltender and All-Star team.

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1. Russia
2. Canada
3. Finland

MVP: Askarov
Best FW: Podkolzin
Best Dman: Byram
Best gk: Askarov

All-Star:
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Is there anyone who thinks that somebody other than Askarov will win the best goalie award?
 
TheBeastCoast said:
Because Canada is entering a team this year. Definitely the 2nd best defense though.
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Canada don’t have a better defence. Broberg-Söderström is a better top pairing than Bryam-Drysdale. Sweden then have Björnfot, probably slightly better than Harley. After that, it is basically a toss up.
 
AB13 said:
Canada don’t have a better defence. Broberg-Söderström is a better top pairing than Bryam-Drysdale. Sweden then have Björnfot, probably slightly better than Harley. After that, it is basically a toss up.
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Its like arguable at best.
 
DeysArena said:
Is there anyone who thinks that somebody other than Askarov will win the best goalie award?
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Askarov and Knight are definitely my 2 frontrunners. Other than those 2, maybe Alnefelt or Canada's starter if he gets hot. Piiroinen/Blomqvist also would have a shot for Finland if they play well in the medal round.
 
Tralfamadore said:
Truly horrible take.
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I mean Söderström has been better than Drysdale at every age level. Had an outstanding WJC last year and is one year older. Byram is slightly better than Broberg maybe, but I am not sure. Both are obviosuly very good, although I think Byram was picked too high at 4. Was very underwhelming last year when I saw him play. Has not lived up to his draft hype.
 
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AB13 said:
I mean Söderström has been better than Drysdale at every age level. Had an outstanding WJC last year and is one year older. Byram is slightly better than Broberg maybe, but I am not sure. Both are obviosuly very good, although I think Byram was picked too high at 4. Was very underwhelming last year when I saw him play. Has not lived up to his draft hype.
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You obviously didn’t watch the Canada camp. Byram absolutely DOMINATED and was actually Canada’s best player. Drysdale was great in camp also.

The thing I’m confused about is that you say Söderström was better than Drysdale at every age level, but then point out Drysdale is actually a year younger. Keep in mind Drysdale made the WJC for Canada as a 17 year old, which is a rare feat for a defenseman. Söderström did NOT compete at the WJC at 17. Soooo... how are you making that comparison? :dunno:
 
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Statsy said:
You obviously didn’t watch the Canada camp. Byram absolutely DOMINATED and was actually Canada’s best player. Drysdale was great in camp also.

The thing I’m confused about is that you say Söderström was better than Drysdale at every age level, but then point out Drysdale is actually a year younger. Keep in mind Drysdale made the WJC for Canada as a 17 year old, which is a rare feat for a defenseman. Söderström did NOT compete at the WJC at 17. Soooo... how are you making that comparison? :dunno:
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Söderström has had better production and simply played better at every age level. He did not play the WJC at 17 because Sweden had a much better defence than Canada that year.
 
Statsy said:
Sorry, you mean Gold medal winning Canada?
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In 2019 Sweden might have had one of the best defences on paper in World Junior history.

Brännström, Boqvist, Sandin, Broberg, Lundqvist ( broke the U20 SHL scoring record), Ginning ( needed LD depth) and Westerlund

To Bryam, Bahl, Adisson, Bernard-Docker, McIsaac, Smith.

It isn’t remotely close. Doesn’t matter who you thinks has higher upside considering age either, Söderström is clearly better ( right now) which was my original argument.
 
AB13 said:
In 2019 Sweden might have had one of the best defences on paper in World Junior history.

Brännström, Boqvist, Sandin, Broberg, Lundqvist ( broke the U20 SHL scoring record), Ginning ( needed LD depth) and Westerlund

To Bryam, Bahl, Adisson, Bernard-Docker, McIsaac, Smith.

It isn’t remotely close. Doesn’t matter who you thinks has higher upside considering age either, Söderström is clearly better ( right now) which was my original argument.
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I don’t necessarily take issue with you saying Söderström is better at the moment. He’s a year older, so he should be better. However, your claim that Söderström was better than Drysdale at every level is pretty dubious.
 
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Statsy said:
I don’t necessarily take issue with you saying Söderström is better at the moment. He’s a year older, so he should be better. However, your claim that Söderström was better than Drysdale at every level is pretty dubious.
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Don't think it is dubious. Söderström put up better numbers overall and played bigger roles internationally at almost every age level.
 
AB13 said:
Don't think it is dubious. Söderström put up better numbers overall and played bigger roles internationally at almost every age level.
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Better numbers? Which numbers were these again? Not points surely.

Soderstrom 17-18 U17: 1 point in 5 games
Drysdale 18-19 U17: 4 points in 5 games

Soderstrom 18-19 U18: 1 point in 4 games
Drysdale 19-20 U18: Not Played Because Covid

Soderstrom 18-19 Hlinka: 2 points in 2 games
Drysdale 19-20 Hlinka: 5 points in 5 games

Soderstrom 19-20 U20: 6 points in 7 games
Drysdale: 20-21 U20: Hasn't happened yet


So there are 2 points of same age international comparison. One they're equal on points per game with Drysdale playing more games, and the other Drsydale is ahead.
 
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Canada4Gold said:
Better numbers? Which numbers were these again? Not points surely.

Soderstrom 17-18 U17: 1 point in 5 games
Drysdale 18-19 U17: 4 points in 5 games

Soderstrom 18-19 U18: 1 point in 4 games
Drysdale 19-20 U18: Not Played Because Covid

Soderstrom 18-19 Hlinka: 2 points in 2 games
Drysdale 19-20 Hlinka: 5 points in 5 games

Soderstrom 19-20 U20: 6 points in 7 games
Drysdale: 20-21 U20: Hasn't happened yet


So there are 2 points of same age international comparison. One they're equal on points per game with Drysdale playing more games, and the other Drsydale is ahead.
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When bringing up the numbers, I meant league numbers as well. It is impossible to compare leagues but Söderström’s SHL production is ceirtainly more out of the ordinary than the offensive numbers Drysdale has put up in the OHL. Söderström is also probably not an offensive defenceman primarilly, which Drysdale is.
 
I don't think it's outlandish to say Soderstrom may be better than Drysdale this year. I also don't think it's outlandish to call them equal either. I think Byram is better than Broberg. I think Harley is better than Bjornfot(but it's very close) and I don't believe 4-8 defence for both teams is a toss up either, that last part in particular sounds like it's being used as a way to minimalize a comparison set you know works against your argument. Apologies if that's not the case, that's the way it came off to me.

I think it's entirely possible that the Swede group of D is better. I think it's close. I'd have Canada first on paper, but I can see how someone might have it the other way around. They're pretty clearly the 2 bets D groups in the tournament.

edit: I guess my point is, it's close enough that it seems silly to argue about it. Both sides have merit, and both sides views will probably be slightly skewed in favour of their own guys. It's not like someone said something crazy like Austria has the best D in the tournament. Both sides are valid, and we're just arguing personal preference.
 
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Gold: Russia
Silver: Canada
Bronze: Sweden
4th: USA
5th: Finland
6th: Slovakia
7th: Germany
8th: Czech Repeblic
9th: Switzerland
10th: Austria

MVP: Askarov
Best Forward: Amirov
Best Defenceman: Byram
Best Goalie: Askarov

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Byram-Drysdale
Askarov
 
Last 8 WJC's (last 7 : Finland 3, Canada 3)

Finland 3 gold's
Canada 3 gold's
USA 2 gold's

Russia 6 medals (3 S, 3 B)
Canada 4 medals
Sweden 4 medals (3 S, 1 B)

Finland and Canada are safe picks as winners
USA is a good return pick
Russia is a risk pick (last gold from 2011)
Sweden is a wild card, dark horse, high risk pick (has won 2 gold's, total; 1981, 2012)

Gold : Finland
Silver : Canada
Bronze : USA

MVP : Lundell (Finland)
D-MAN : Drysdale (Canada)
GOALIE : Askarov (Russia)

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