WJC: 2021 Germany Roster Talk

[Kleefeld]

With this goalie any team can beat Germany...

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

This team needs Seider.

 

[karhukissa]

This team needs Seider.

He is extremely good player but even 2 Seiders wouldn't save this team.

 

[Odie Cleghorn]

They could win their next 2 games. They should get 3 players back on the 28th and have a full team for the final game if everyone clears. They will need to have 3 lines cover for the goalie and have the Stueztle line do the coring though.

 

[NyQuil]

The potential is clearly there.

Don't let the score fool you, Germany has come an astonishingly long way very quickly.

Brutal circumstances.

 

[Oberyn Martell]

If we had a real goaltender the score would be way more comfortable. Hopefully Bugl will settle things out for us

 

[Hinterland]

If we had a real goaltender the score would be way more comfortable. Hopefully Bugl will settle things out for us

Is this guy any better than the other two? That would be amazing. I was hoping you could beat the Slovaks but with those two we saw until now, you're not going to

 

[KahunWOW]

On a positive note, I really like Elias so far. Has skill and battles his a** off. Not a product of Stutzle+Peterka.

 

[DrPabloRamirez]

"-Three of the eight players that tested positive for COVID-19 last week must remain in quarantine until 27 December. The remaining players must remain in quarantine until at least 29th December
-One additional player on Team Germany tested positive for COVID-19 since the last update and must remain in quarantine until at least 4th January"

Anybody knows names of the first three players?

 

[John Mandalorian]

In the World Baseball Classic, Anthony Rizzo was going to play for team Italy due to having Italian ancestry. He had never lived there.

Does the World Juniors allow something similar? If so, maybe it would make sense for Germany to allow players with German ancestry on their team?

This way they could give opportunities to some very capable players who weren’t selected for Teams Canada or USA? Wouldn’t this be better for the sport?

Germany (and other countries) can supplement and complement their own home grown players but also insure that the quality of the overall roster is sufficient.

 

[GermanNuck]

In the World Baseball Classic, Anthony Rizzo was going to play for team Italy due to having Italian ancestry. He had never lived there.

Does the World Juniors allow something similar? If so, maybe it would make sense for Germany to allow players with German ancestry on their team?

This way they could give opportunities to some very capable players who weren’t selected for Teams Canada or USA? Wouldn’t this be better for the sport?

Germany (and other countries) can supplement and complement their own home grown players but also insure that the quality of the overall roster is sufficient.

Germany did this for quite a while up until 5-6 years ago. Now we still have the occasional German-Canadian in the team.

But lately we’re on the brink of developing talents quite regularly and I think going back to the “old” system would hurt that development. I mean look at the last few years alone:

Draisaitl, Kahun, Stützle, Bokk, Peterka, Seider, Reichel... that’s more talent in 4-5 years than we had in the 20 years before. (Subjective feeling)

We’re lacking heavily in D talents and Goalies though, which has never been an issue before. So unless the future strategy is to score 10 goals minimum to win 10-9 we’ll have to work on that.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Germany did this for quite a while up until 5-6 years ago. Now we still have the occasional German-Canadian in the team.

But lately we’re on the brink of developing talents quite regularly and I think going back to the “old” system would hurt that development. I mean look at the last few years alone:

Draisaitl, Kahun, Stützle, Bokk, Peterka, Seider, Reichel... that’s more talent in 4-5 years than we had in the 20 years before. (Subjective feeling)

We’re lacking heavily in D talents and Goalies though, which has never been an issue before. So unless the future strategy is to score 10 goals minimum to win 10-9 we’ll have to work on that.

Yes, but when you have great talent like Stützle and Peterka, shouldn’t they try to maximize the opportunity to show progress? If Germany has an amazing player like Stützle playing on a competitive German team, doesn’t that do more to recruit young German players than having a team with Tim Stützle that gets beat 16-2 (because the goalies have no business playing in a tournament like this and yes, also because of circumstance)?

I understand the desire to develop your own players and being willing to suffer the bumps in the road to do it. But you’re also trying to recruit boys who are watching. You don’t want them to see this and think “Germans should just stick to football.” Or do you disagree?

 

[GermanNuck]

I do disagree. More icetime for players that are not brought up from the German junior system will lead to less incentives for our own clubs to produce talent. It’s a very short-term view to think that stacking our lines with German-Canadians or German-Americans will benefit us in the long-term. We’ve been there, didn’t work.

One 16-2, especially under the circumstances, will hopefully not put the whole development into question.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I do disagree. More icetime for players that are not brought up from the German junior system will lead to less incentives for our own clubs to produce talent. It’s a very short-term view to think that stacking our lines with German-Canadians or German-Americans will benefit us in the long-term. We’ve been there, didn’t work.

One 16-2, especially under the circumstances, will hopefully not put the whole development into question.

Fair enough.

 

[ozo]

shouldn’t they try to maximize the opportunity to show progress?

To me it absolutely sounds like faking progress.

 

[John Mandalorian]

To me it absolutely sounds like faking progress.

I don’t see how making things more competitive by allowing freedom of movement is fake progress.

 

[ozo]

I do disagree. More icetime for players that are not brought up from the German junior system will lead to less incentives for our own clubs to produce talent. It’s a very short-term view to think that stacking our lines with German-Canadians or German-Americans will benefit us in the long-term. We’ve been there, didn’t work.

One 16-2, especially under the circumstances, will hopefully not put the whole development into question.

You are spot on. As a Latvian hockey fan, I can say we have certainly been the the receiving end of such scorelines more than once, but it is all about giving chances and opportunities to local players. Still remember how now NHL all-rookie team goalie Merzlikins ate all 14 pucks from team Russia a decade ago, doesn't seem to have hurt him one bit.

 

[Albatros]

You are spot on. As a Latvian hockey fan, I can say we have certainly been the the receiving end of such scorelines more than once, but it is all about giving chances and opportunities to local players. Still remember how now NHL all-rookie team goalie Merzlikins ate all 14 pucks from team Russia a decade ago, doesn't seem to have hurt him one bit.

Merzļikins became a top player despite playing for Latvia rather than because of it though.

 

[ozo]

I don’t see how making things more competitive by allowing freedom of movement is fake progress.

If your end goal is just to have a competitive junior tournament for the sake of it, I see nothing wrong with it.

 

[ozo]

Merzļikins became a top player despite playing for Latvia rather than because of it though.

I don't know what you are even aiming at. So if Stutzle now becomes a good NHLer after yesterdays loss, he also will do so despite playing for Germany?

 

[Albatros]

I mean Merzļikins was developed in Switzerland and has never played competitive hockey in Latvia other than dressing up for the national teams from time to time. He was good enough to make the Swiss team as well if he had that passport. For him the Latvian team was not a meaningful window.

 

[John Mandalorian]

If your end goal is just to have a competitive junior tournament for the sake of it, I see nothing wrong with it.

I saw your other comment about giving opportunities to local players. I respect that. But at the same time, having such horrible goalies, like you saw with Germany, isn’t really good for the sport or for WJ either.

But there’s another part of this. If the powers that be practice politics in selecting their national teams, they should do so with some risk. The fear of a Canadian player named Andersson going and playing for Sweden (the country of his grandfather) and helping Team Sweden win the tournament creates the incentive for the powers that be to be fair in choosing players for their national teams.

If they want to do favors to agents or carry out a vendetta against certain organizations by leaving better players off the roster, it should come with some risk.

Simultaneously, the young players that are the victims in this, should have freedom of movement to participate in the tournament while playing for another team (as long as that country is ok with it).

 

[ozo]

I saw your other comment about giving opportunities to local players. I respect that. But at the same time, having such horrible goalies, like you saw with Germany, isn’t really good for the sport or for WJ either.

But there’s another part of this. If the powers that be practice politics in selecting their national teams, they should do so with some risk. The fear of a Canadian player named Andersson going and playing for Sweden (the country of his grandfather) and helping Team Sweden win the tournament creates the incentive for the powers that be to be fair in choosing players for their national teams.

If they want to do favors to agents or carry out a vendetta against certain organizations by leaving better players off the roster, it should come with some risk.

Simultaneously, the young players that are the victims in this, should have freedom of movement to participate in the tournament while playing for another team (as long as that country is ok with it).

We have gone a bit offtopic, so this will be my last entry here. IMO, this "grandparent of country x" is slippery slope, why do you draw the line at that level? Can Connor McDavid just opt for team GB because of his Scottish last name? Surely there is ancestry link to Britain if you go far enough in time, right? It will be as arbitrary as basically becoming ''free for all" anyway, losing the meaning of "national team competition'' ala Qatar just buying a full handball team and becoming World champions.

 

[John Mandalorian]

We have gone a bit offtopic, so this will be my last entry here. IMO, this "grandparent of country x" is slippery slope, why do you draw the line at that level? Can Connor McDavid just opt for team GB because of his Scottish last name? Surely there is ancestry link to Britain if you go far enough in time, right? It will be as arbitrary as basically becoming ''free for all" anyway, losing the meaning of "national team competition'' ala Qatar just buying a full handball team and becoming World champions.

More specifically, I was talking about scenarios where players weren’t selected for the Team Canada roster.

But is the scenario you’re mentioning so bad? Is it so bad that if Canada wants McDavid to play for them, they should have to give him a reason?

 

[pgfan66]

On a positive note, I really like Elias so far. Has skill and battles his a** off. Not a product of Stutzle+Peterka.

He’ll have a nice DEL career but he’s not even CHL level.