OT: 2021 Football Thread - Part II

[NYSPORTS]

Jaguars trade QB Gardner Minshew to Eagles for conditional sixth round draft pick in 2022

Kinda surprised the Jags would part ways with depth.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Jaguars trade QB Gardner Minshew to Eagles for conditional sixth round draft pick in 2022

Kinda surprised the Jags would part ways with depth.

Minshew got a raw deal with the Jags. He's going to be a decent to good starting QB elsewhere.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Minshew got a raw deal with the Jags. He's going to be a decent to good starting QB elsewhere.

well, Minshew did nothing wrong and so much right. This is just a Trevor Lawrence thing. Imo, he’s another John Elway and the Jags are going to turn him loose. That’s a cheap return at the expense of little depth behind Lawrence though.

 

[nyr2k2]

The Jets are going to give up a ton of points. I know some have made the argument that this is a rebuilding season and we shouldn't be giving up any assets to help now, but I don't think it's going to be good for Wilson to be playing from behind every single game, forced to throw 35+ times each week against teams that are waiting for it. The defense desperately needs at least one corner and one guy who can get after the QB. I don't know if those are cast-offs from other teams or what, but they need to do something.

You don't go from being awful to being a contender overnight, you need to take intermediate steps. The Jets, with their defense as it is currently, I'm afraid may end up awful which will not help the development of any of their young players. I'm not advocating for trading first- or second-round picks or anything, but they need to try to improve somehow. Can't fault Douglas for the injuries to Lawson and Davis, but I do really think he misplayed the CB situation.

 

[East Coast Bias]

The Jets are going to give up a ton of points. I know some have made the argument that this is a rebuilding season and we shouldn't be giving up any assets to help now, but I don't think it's going to be good for Wilson to be playing from behind every single game, forced to throw 35+ times each week against teams that are waiting for it. The defense desperately needs at least one corner and one guy who can get after the QB. I don't know if those are cast-offs from other teams or what, but they need to do something.

You don't go from being awful to being a contender overnight, you need to take intermediate steps. The Jets, with their defense as it is currently, I'm afraid may end up awful which will not help the development of any of their young players. I'm not advocating for trading first- or second-round picks or anything, but they need to try to improve somehow. Can't fault Douglas for the injuries to Lawson and Davis, but I do really think he misplayed the CB situation.

I agree. And the lack of pas rush is going to crush the secondary. It’s a very young group of corners. You can’t expect them to shut people down.

I can see why they want to trade for a pass rusher. You’ll need it just to be functional with the rest of the roster constructed as it is

 

[bernmeister]

The Jets are going to give up a ton of points. I know some have made the argument that this is a rebuilding season and we shouldn't be giving up any assets to help now, but I don't think it's going to be good for Wilson to be playing from behind every single game, forced to throw 35+ times each week against teams that are waiting for it. The defense desperately needs at least one corner and one guy who can get after the QB. I don't know if those are cast-offs from other teams or what, but they need to do something.

You don't go from being awful to being a contender overnight, you need to take intermediate steps. The Jets, with their defense as it is currently, I'm afraid may end up awful which will not help the development of any of their young players. I'm not advocating for trading first- or second-round picks or anything, but they need to try to improve somehow. Can't fault Douglas for the injuries to Lawson and Davis, but I do really think he misplayed the CB situation.

I am with you in spirit on this but as a practical matter the most sensible thing to do here is make sure we get Wilson max protection ASAP. Becton concussion not helpful, either.

Not sure exactly what options/how to do this 0ff top of my head
but
do not wanna spend trade capital that doesn't help in the long term

Thankfully the probs caused by poor defense can be overcome
probs caused by inferior OL
we have seen how that can make even high selection guys go way off their game

 

[nyr2k2]

I am with you in spirit on this but as a practical matter the most sensible thing to do here is make sure we get Wilson max protection ASAP. Becton concussion not helpful, either.

Not sure exactly what options/how to do this 0ff top of my head
but
do not wanna spend trade capital that doesn't help in the long term

Thankfully the probs caused by poor defense can be overcome
probs caused by inferior OL
we have seen how that can make even high selection guys go way off their game

Well that's the thing, you have Becton who is always hurt, AVT a rookie who had no preseason, and then...average stuff around the rest of the line? And we've already lost depth from the group.

So you've got that group, and they're going to be under major duress all year because our secondary is going to get f***ing torched and we'll be throwing the ball all game long. Even if the OL were good, the stress that the secondary will place on the rest of the team is unsustainable.

I'm not familiar enough with the league to know who may be available, but I assume there are guys out there who may be looking to get moved. Of course, I don't want to use any premium capital, and I would prefer acquiring players that are under contract beyond this year, or you at least think would be good fits and you'd want to hold onto them (or maybe get a comp pick later). I'm not an advocate of throwing picks away, but the reality is that fourth, fifth, sixth round picks rarely become legitimate NFL players, so if you think you can acquire a decent corner or edge guy for a fourth I think you do it. It will help now and, in turn, in the future.

 

[bernmeister]

Well that's the thing, you have Becton who is always hurt, AVT a rookie who had no preseason, and then...average stuff around the rest of the line? And we've already lost depth from the group.

So you've got that group, and they're going to be under major duress all year because our secondary is going to get f***ing torched and we'll be throwing the ball all game long. Even if the OL were good, the stress that the secondary will place on the rest of the team is unsustainable.

I'm not familiar enough with the league to know who may be available, but I assume there are guys out there who may be looking to get moved. Of course, I don't want to use any premium capital, and I would prefer acquiring players that are under contract beyond this year, or you at least think would be good fits and you'd want to hold onto them (or maybe get a comp pick later). I'm not an advocate of throwing picks away, but the reality is that fourth, fifth, sixth round picks rarely become legitimate NFL players, so if you think you can acquire a decent corner or edge guy for a fourth I think you do it. It will help now and, in turn, in the future.

If we have enough surplus assets we can consider both.
If we don't first priority is OL, specifically OT
imo

I get your logic, it is sound it is not wrong.
More effective D = less stress + closer games

but benefit to QB -- and that is our primary focus here -- is indirect

we seriously have to directly consider directly protecting Wil's ass.

 

[nyr2k2]

A sixth for Shaq Lawson is exactly the type of trade the Jets needed to make. If they could do something similar at CB, I'd be thrilled.

 

[sbjnyc]

There should be some options after rosters are pared down.

 

[ecemleafs]

Nice to see a goog 2 min drill with the TD before the first teamers get pulled.

 

[LeetchisGod]

The Giants offensive line is still a horror show. That is the biggest indictment of Gettleman.

 

[Platano King]

The Giants offensive line is still a horror show. That is the biggest indictment of Gettleman.

The Giants need a complete organizational reset from top to bottom, but as long as Mara clings to the past, that will never happen.

I hate this team. The last time I was excited for football was in 2017, and we all remember how that turned out.

 

[Barnaby]

The Jets are going to give up a ton of points. I know some have made the argument that this is a rebuilding season and we shouldn't be giving up any assets to help now, but I don't think it's going to be good for Wilson to be playing from behind every single game, forced to throw 35+ times each week against teams that are waiting for it. The defense desperately needs at least one corner and one guy who can get after the QB. I don't know if those are cast-offs from other teams or what, but they need to do something.

You don't go from being awful to being a contender overnight, you need to take intermediate steps. The Jets, with their defense as it is currently, I'm afraid may end up awful which will not help the development of any of their young players. I'm not advocating for trading first- or second-round picks or anything, but they need to try to improve somehow. Can't fault Douglas for the injuries to Lawson and Davis, but I do really think he misplayed the CB situation.

While I do agree they need help, I just don’t see them obtaining anyone that makes a big difference without giving out 1’s or 2’s. If there’s anyone they can find in the bargain bin then I’m all for it.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

Jones terrible INT and beautiful Touchdown proves he really is the heir apparent to Eli Manning.

 

[mrmovies779]

I joined the Espn site for our fantasy league,but when trying to join it,it says it is full.Either way,if i missed the cut,best of luck gang and have fun!

 

[Kovalev27]

Jones is just not good enough. We loaded up for next years draft because the org knows it. They’ll need to get a franchise qb.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Jones is just not good enough. We loaded up for next years draft because the org knows it. They’ll need to get a franchise qb.

i wouldn’t trust this organization knows anything.

 

[sbjnyc]

Jones is just not good enough. We loaded up for next years draft because the org knows it. They’ll need to get a franchise qb.

I'd be shocked if the Giants drafted a QB unless their season is a disaster. If the Giants finish with 7-9 wins and the Bears pick winds up being top 2 I just don't think the Giants will take a QB.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I'd be shocked if the Giants drafted a QB unless their season is a disaster. If the Giants finish with 7-9 wins and the Bears pick winds up being top 2 I just don't think the Giants will take a QB.

There is practically zero hype for QBs and not sure at the moment the QBs coming out are worth it.

Jones has to the guy yet another bone headed throw on the goal line can starring down targets is a red flag. No choice but to give him and the others a chance. With Soldier getting time at RT for Peart and the Thomas with a real bad night it’s . . . potentially the continuation of a bad story.

 

[ponzu4u]

There is practically zero hype for QBs and not sure at the moment the QBs coming out are worth it.

This past draft would have been the one to target Jones' replacement. Unfortunately, there was just no way Gettleman could acknowledge screwing that pick up and keep his job. But to then go 1st round WR after paying Golladay, with Shephard and Slayton on the roster and the offensive line an obviously HUGE question mark just boggles the mind.

The worst part of all of this, as I've said before, is that even if the Giants do move on from Gettleman after/during this season, I have absolutely zero faith in Mara to bring in a capable replacement. The entire organization is stuck in the 90s.

 

[ponzu4u]

Help on the way. Think this probably moves Lemuiex to the bench, which is probably where he's better suited.

 

[NYSPORTS]

This past draft would have been the one to target Jones' replacement. Unfortunately, there was just no way Gettleman could acknowledge screwing that pick up and keep his job. But to then go 1st round WR after paying Golladay, with Shephard and Slayton on the roster and the offensive line an obviously HUGE question mark just boggles the mind.

The worst part of all of this, as I've said before, is that even if the Giants do move on from Gettleman after/during this season, I have absolutely zero faith in Mara to bring in a capable replacement. The entire organization is stuck in the 90s.

you have a lot of company in your corner.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Regarding the Jets making a move for a pass rusher, I'm just having an issue understanding it. Yes, losing Lawson is a big blow, but this isn't a make or break season. We might as well find out about players already on the roster.

JFM is good, Q is going to be back in there soon enough. They have vets in guys like a Vinny Curry and Ronald Blair. Huff should get reps. Zuniga needs to get reps too. That's a 3rd rounder that this regime drafted. He needs to be someone that they find out about this season.

I'd rather cycle through the waiver wire after cuts are made. Someone will break free that they can claim. They have one of the top claims on the wire and can get whoever they want that hits it.

Same goes when looking for a corner. It's great that these young guys are getting reps in preseason. A vet can be found after being cut if they really want to get one. Sure, it's a player a team didn't want, but vets get cut for reasons other than not being good, especially if their youth is excelling at their position.

With Davis out for a while too, I'd think they'd like to add in a LB as well. Cashman isn't the most durable player either. Jets should be very active on the wire. When you were a 2-14 team, not every issue gets plugged in one draft and one free agency period. I'd be evaluating TE and a backup OT as well. Doubt a decent backup QB shakes loose, but that would be high on the list too.

I think they just want to field a semi-competitive team to get the losing stench out of the organization.

 

[nyr2k2]

I think they just want to field a semi-competitive team to get the losing stench out of the organization.

Yeah, for sure. And as I said, part of putting Wilson in a position to succeed is fielding a defense that doesn't give up 35 points per game. If Wilson and the offense are constantly chasing the game, well, that's not good for anyone.