I don't think the Bengals bite. They will take BPA. Very possible they have no qualms giving Burrow his boy Chase and go OT in round 2 or in FA.
Really think Carolina and Denver are the real desperate teams to move up.
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I don't think the Bengals bite. They will take BPA. Very possible they have no qualms giving Burrow his boy Chase and go OT in round 2 or in FA.
Really think Carolina and Denver are the real desperate teams to move up.
"First things first, the chances of Sewell actually falling this far are slim. But this mock represents what I would do and not what the NFL would do, so a generational tackle falls right in the lap of New York here at Pick 11."
Right, it's what he would do as the other NFL teams ahead of him who need an LT and not pick what he calls a a generational talent LT. He may as well take Jerry's job.
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I was going to make a comment about how it's so far from set and how the mocks are going to change so much before the draft, so I decided to go back and look to see how accurate that comment was
February 2020 mocks (mainly right after the super bowl) - I chose to look through the Jets pick at 11.
McShay had 6 of 11 picks correct (top 3 correct)
Kiper had 3 of 11 picks correct (top 2 correct)
Matt Miller 6 of 11 picks correct (top 3 correct) - he had it nearly perfect with the OT just the wrong guys going to each team (Giants, Jets, Browns)
McShay had Becton to the Jets in early Feb 2020. He's buddies with Douglas so I usually watch his comments re Jets closely.
February 2020 mocks (mainly right after the super bowl) - I chose to look through the Jets pick at 11.
McShay had 6 of 11 picks correct (top 3 correct)
Kiper had 3 of 11 picks correct (top 2 correct)
Matt Miller 6 of 11 picks correct (top 3 correct) - he had it nearly perfect with the OT just the wrong guys going to each team (Giants, Jets, Browns)
McShay had Becton to the Jets in early Feb 2020. He's buddies with Douglas so I usually watch his comments re Jets closely.
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Actually, re: Cincy, I can see them going all out on OL in free agency. Them picking up Chase does make sense if they go that route in free agency.
I take the Mcshay and the Jeremiah mocks seriously when it comes to the Jets since they have connections to the front office.
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I know I may be on an island here and that this may be blasphemous seeing alot of peeps don't like him and think he's a bunch of hot air, but I also take Kipers opinions very seriously when it comes to the draft.
And this is why Kiper having us taking Sewell gives me a little bit of pause to this confidence I have that Joe is going to take Wilson. Listen if it happens this way I'm going to support it and be more than OK with it but that would mean Sam is going to be the guy one last time and too me that's not the tact I think the Jets should take.
We'll see soon enough but I really hope Douglas finds a team that will give us such a haul and an offer that he can't refuse that he just has to draft down. We have so many needs, I really would like that to be the direction we go even if it meant we don't get Wilson or Sewell.
I would like to be wrong on this, but I doubt it on this.
Sure, they could take Wilson vs my preference.
Sure Wilson is a good crap shoot but he is a crap shoot.
Sewell is a DOMINANT, sure thing.
For that reason, whatever profit we may reasonably expect is not gonna be enuf to risk losing Sewell.
And I fully expect he does not get past Miami at 3, let alone Cincy at 5.
Take the sure thing and remove OL from the headache list.
If other guys [slater, etc.] fall to us, I'm happy to add to an embarrassment of riches. Bit the core MUST BE sewell + becton.
Some mocks have fish [Costanza correction, 'mammal'] going WR at 3OA.
Don't see it.
they will draft Wilson if we take Sewell.
Only exception I see is if Houston deals Watson for 3OA +
Don't see it.
they will draft Wilson if we take Sewell.
Only exception I see is if Houston deals Watson for 3OA +
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Kiper is much more into "here's what this team SHOULD do here" rather than "here's what I'm hearing they will do'
Which is fine. You just have to know that going in. He's a bit of scouting idealist IMO
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Maybe there is some of that "should do" combined with the "here's what I hear they will do" in Kiper's reporting. I'm good with that. I like Jerimiah and McShay's reporting as well.
For most part tho, it's all a crap shoot. I just hope that there is one team that wants a player so badly that he's willing to call Douglas and say what do you need to get this done for us to trade draft slots.
That would be the ultimate move IMO for the Jets this offseason....we shalt see soon enough!
And I really believe that team is Denver or Carolina.
Both were in hard on Stafford. Both are in hard for Watson.
Either the Jets or Dolphins are gonna smash them in a deal.
Both were in hard on Stafford. Both are in hard for Watson.
Either the Jets or Dolphins are gonna smash them in a deal.
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A lot of these mocks assume teams are rational and draft for need. But we know, they're not. They do crazy shit.
I did a game with a group of buddies last year where we did our own 1st round mocks. You get points for nailing exact picks. It was so hard. You get one team doing something stupid and it throws the next 5 picks out of wack
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2021 NFL Draft: BTSC Steelers Big Board, Interior Offensive Line (msn.com)
super biz atm
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2021 NFL Draft: BTSC Steelers Big Board, Interior Offensive Line (msn.com)
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Kiper has a new mock. Fire Mel Kiper into the sun. f*** outta here Melvin.
Jets trade down to #4. 2nd for 4th and 2 second rounders
Then the Jets take Kyle Pitts with the 4th OA
Jags - Lawrence
Falcons - Wilson
Dolphins - Smith
Jets - Pitts
Bengals - Sewell
Eagles - Chase
49ers (trade up) - Fields
Panthers - Mac Jones
Pats (trade up) - Trey Lance
Cowboys - Surtain
Giants - Waddle
Jets trade down to #4. 2nd for 4th and 2 second rounders
Then the Jets take Kyle Pitts with the 4th OA
Jags - Lawrence
Falcons - Wilson
Dolphins - Smith
Jets - Pitts
Bengals - Sewell
Eagles - Chase
49ers (trade up) - Fields
Panthers - Mac Jones
Pats (trade up) - Trey Lance
Cowboys - Surtain
Giants - Waddle
Kiper just went for clickbait.
No way Pitts to the Jets.
No way Mac Jones at 8.
No way Denver trades down.
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personally, i hate the whole TE thing. Yes, there are multiple good TEs but visions of a higher picked TE dominating the game year after year never happens. The better TEs are usually beyond Round 1.
T.J. Hockenson and Eric Ebron were going to be great
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I don’t care how good Pitts was in college. Like the top two above all the skill gets replaced by “ he can’t block, he has to improve his strength, his pad level is too high, etc”. None of these guys dominate like a Kellen Winslow or Tony Gonzales. They’re all nice but forgetful. No way i touch a TE early.
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Agree with all you said about TE's as they are folly for most part to be 1st rounders except of course when the Jets took Kyle Brady at #9 instead of Warren Sapp....lol. That one still gives me nightmares.
In all seriousness, agree with your premise other than take TJ Hockenson out of the mix as he is panning out and is a Top 5 TE already and could be even more...he's really really good. Other than that...spot on!
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Too funny...here it is just yesterday I'm singing Kiper's praises and than he pulls this BS. I mean you can't make this shit up...lol
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As I just said to @SRHRangers, Kiper, I'm convinced, did this ridiculousness on purpose just to make me look bad after not even a day ago, I started waxing poetic about him....thx Mel...you bone head!...lol
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he is good. Does he make as big an impact as many players drafted after him? Hockenson is nice. He’s not a WOW player but he’s nice. Would i draft him over quite a few players drafted after him. Probably not.
The funny thing is, the trade down to 4 isn't a bad idea. I would probably sign off on that, but I would try to grab an extra 3, or turn the 22 2nd into a 1.
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I'm not saying he's John Mackey or Tony G. All I'm saying is Hockenson shouldn't be on that list of TE busts over the years that you jotted down. He has emerged to the point where in just his 2nd season, he's one of the top players at the position.
And for him to have done that despite being picked 8th overall, I don't think the Lions have any regrets whatsoever nor should they. I quickly glanced at the 2019 draft board and there are a few guys I might have drafted in front of Hockenson....Devon Bush, Ed Oliver, Monte Sweat are a few. But the rest of the draft, I don't see many others.
The Lions needed a TE and they got the best one in the last couple of years. Gotta give them some cred for that or at least I am...hah
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