Prospect Info: 2021 Devils-Centric Mock Draft 2.0 for May

[Captain3rdLine]

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Not sure who that is, but she's really down on Hughes.

I’d be very interested in what exactly she’s heard and how relevant it actually is to him as a hockey player. The reality is a lot of these players are kind of idiots away from the rink and are somewhat self centered. Being self centered is actually something that can help them become the good players they are growing up. I think teams are usually happy and it doesn’t affect their play or the team as long as they treat their teammates and staff well and don’t act poorly in public.

I’ve actually had a couple people tell me in the last couple years that Jack Hughes is a complete loser who’s full of himself and treats other people like shit. No one that’s overly relevant in the hockey world just people that have crossed paths with him or seen him somewhere at some point.

I’ve heard a lot of bad stuff about other players too some stuff that’s hard to believe even, but most of the players I’ve heard stuff about seem perfectly fine in the media, are good players and their teams don’t seem to have a problem with them.

I’m not saying they’re all bad but a lot of NHL players probably aren’t model citizens away from the rink and public. If there’s questions about his work ethic or something else that affects him as a player then that’s worth worrying about.

 

[Oneiro]

She seems like she has an axe to grind with the NJ organization.

 

[Lou is God]

She seems like she has an axe to grind with the NJ organization.

She seems to have worked with us at one point: https://twitter.com/racheldoerrie

Also found her voice was the equivalent of listening to nails scratching on a chalkboard. She's also analytics driven it seems.

 

[Merrills Marauders]

She seems to have worked with us at one point: https://twitter.com/racheldoerrie

Also found her voice was the equivalent of listening to nails scratching on a chalkboard. She's also analytics driven it seems.

She definitely worked with us previously, and it seemed like it came to an abrupt end and wasn’t her choice. There was an article in the Athletic about it a few years back.

Regarding Luke’s character issues, Will Scouch on YouTube also alluded to hearing/reading similar info about his character defects. As long as it’s run-of-the-mill teenage cockiness and not Mitch Miller-esque (which definitely would have came out by now) I see no problem with it if he is the choice.

 

[Oneiro]

She seems to have worked with us at one point: https://twitter.com/racheldoerrie

Also found her voice was the equivalent of listening to nails scratching on a chalkboard. She's also analytics driven it seems.

Yeah, I know - she was an avid defender of John Hynes with very weak reasoning. Not sure what the circumstances were when she left the organization. Seems as if she's had an agenda for a long time.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Rachel Doerrie is in no way a scout or a good judge of talent.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Rachel Doerrie is in no way a scout or a good judge of talent.

She isn’t talking about talent. She’s saying people have told her bad things about Luke Hughes’s character and from reading above it doesn’t sound like she’s the first person to say something like this.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

She isn’t talking about talent. She’s saying people have told her bad things about Luke Hughes’s character and from reading above it doesn’t sound like she’s the first person to say something like this.

I didn't listen to the interview, my post is more so a disclaimer from previous interactions on her ability to evaluate prospects.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

She seems like she has an axe to grind with the NJ organization.

Happens when they fire you. As a trail blazing young female in the hockey industry you have to wonder what causes an organization to make that decision so quickly after hiring her.

 

[Lou is God]

Yeah, I know - she was an avid defender of John Hynes with very weak reasoning. Not sure what the circumstances were when she left the organization. Seems as if she's had an agenda for a long time.

What she did is not much different than what Dan Orlovsky did to Justin Fields:

Critiques of Justin Fields' work ethic met with strong backlash | FOX Sports

Orlovsky caught a lot of heat for it, though race had something to do with it.

 

[Blackjack]

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Not sure who that is, but she's really down on Hughes.

Pretty awful shit from Rachel right there. How is this okay? Character recon on a 17 year old boy? What did you do, stalk his social media? If there's some kind of accusation of bullying or poor behavior, even if it's anonymous, let's hear it, otherwise STFU. Luke Hughes was barely 16 years old when the pandemic began, f*** off with this shit.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

You can't teach Hughes's skating and offensive instincts. At 6'2, is there really a good comparison for him? Additionally he is a few days from being eligible for the 2022 draft. Like I said, if he can improve his abysmal shot he has superstar potential.

 

[Eggtimer]

You can't teach Hughes's skating and offensive instincts. At 6'2, is there really a good comparison for him? Additionally he is a few days from being eligible for the 2022 draft. Like I said, if he can improve his abysmal shot he has superstar potential.

If his shot is the only weakness then I would be totally fine with that. It’s when other attributes like hockey IQ and decision making is crap is what worries me. Edvinsson is an example of a prospect that kind worries me.
I just want a huge minute D that is an undisputed #1 D ( not asking for much am I lol)
My only concern is someone like Clarke being a Karlsson in that he is amazing on offence but is more of a rover and 4th forward. I’d prefer to have a guy that can quarterback the PP AND play the PK 1 and be in the ice vs. the other teams top lines in a one goal game with a minute left in the game and shut everyone down.
I’d prefer that over a PP specialist that puts up points but doesn’t do anything else.

 

[OmNomNom]

character assessments is something teams HAVE to look into though, and all of that is word of mouth. there's def some leniency due to age, but we'll see what teams do.

also, i get why she wouldn't specify on character stuff - that's just straight up slander and honestly a lot worse than just giving vague hints

 

[GeNeXt]

You can't teach Hughes's skating and offensive instincts. At 6'2, is there really a good comparison for him? Additionally he is a few days from being eligible for the 2022 draft. Like I said, if he can improve his abysmal shot he has superstar potential.

I liken him to Dmitri Orlov, but I was surprised that Orlov is only 5'11". Though Orlov is pretty stocky for his height which may be why he looks bigger. I am always blown away by Orlov's skating ability, and similarly blown away by Hughes' skating up, down and around the ice.

 

[GeNeXt]

Pretty awful shit from Rachel right there. How is this okay? Character recon on a 17 year old boy? What did you do, stalk his social media? If there's some kind of accusation of bullying or poor behavior, even if it's anonymous, let's hear it, otherwise STFU. Luke Hughes was barely 16 years old when the pandemic began, f*** off with this shit.

Agreed. Need to evaluate yourself if you're making your livelihood off of trashing a young kid's reputation. She strikes me as a know-it-all, which may be a hint at the reason why she's no longer employed by the team.

 

[Lou is God]

Well I called her out on it, will see if she responds.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Agreed. Need to evaluate yourself if your making your livelihood off of trashing a young kid's reputation. She strikes me as a know-it-all, which may be a hint at the reason why she's no longer employed by the team.

A know it all in their early 20's without any experience playing the game. Yea, I'm sure that went over with members of management who played hockey for 35 years and continued for an additional 20 in other forms.

 

[Oneiro]

I'm not against some of the quant crowd taking it to ex-players and management. NHL GMs and scouts have been proven incompetent many times over.

But continued faith in a losing process (lets say Johnsson's performance) is disrespecting one parameter of your mandate, which is the timeframe in which things need to work and be useful. You don't have an edge if it takes ten years to play out. Or if your young team is making the same mistakes in year 4 as year 1.

 

[FooteBahl]

She seems to have worked with us at one point: https://twitter.com/racheldoerrie

Also found her voice was the equivalent of listening to nails scratching on a chalkboard. She's also analytics driven it seems.

If a queef were able to speak, it would sound exactly like Rachel. The way she said the devils would be forced to take him makes it definitely sound like she has a hard on for the Hughes family. Jack probably asked her to show him her boobs

 

[Triumph]

You're kidding yourself if you don't think scouts talk in these terms all the time, and if it weren't about the brother of a Devils player, no eyes would be batted.

 

[Blackjack]

Well I called her out on it, will see if she responds.

Good for you. I generally don't interact much on Twitter, but glad someone is calling her out.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Rachel has said some negative things about Harris and Blitzer being out of touch billionaires, which doesn't seem at all unreasonable, and it's also been implied that her and Shero didn't really get along. But she's has had nothing but positive things to say about her personal interactions with Taylor Hall, Nico Hischier, Brian Boyle, Joey Anderson, and other guys she's been around. So I don't think it's fair to characterize her as someone with an axe to grind. I always got the impression that she's a person with very strong opinions and that rubbed our shot callers the wrong way.

In fact I think it's a little weird that she offers up a criticism of a prospect we haven't even drafted yet - a criticism that is seemingly echoed by other experts - and people are eager to assign ulterior motives and call her a hater or whatever. If she said the same thing about Owen Power no one on here would care, but because she's criticizing Jack's brother everyone on here is rushing to question it.

In regards to "character issues", that's something that's really hard to evaluate unless you know specifically of what they mean. If she just means he's a sheltered privileged little shithead jock, then yeah that's annoying and I wouldn't want to hang out with him but I don't think it's necessarily disqualifying for an NHL player. In fact I'd say the vast majority of NHL players are likely not good dudes, I know the ones I've met have been total assholes with the exception of two. And I can totally understand why a woman would be less likely to be persuaded by the "boys will be boys and they'll grow out of it" excuse.

But if it's more serious than just being an entitled teenaged brat, then it needs to be taken seriously and I think that it will. At this point I trust Castron to do his due diligence and I trust Lindy Ruff to handle his room.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Rachel has said some negative things about Harris and Blitzer being out of touch billionaires, which doesn't seem at all unreasonable, and it's also been implied that her and Shero didn't really get along. But she's has had nothing but positive things to say about her personal interactions with Taylor Hall, Nico Hischier, Brian Boyle, Joey Anderson, and other guys she's been around. So I don't think it's fair to characterize her as someone with an axe to grind. I always got the impression that she's a person with very strong opinions and that rubbed our shot callers the wrong way.

In fact I think it's a little weird that she offers up a criticism of a prospect we haven't even drafted yet - a criticism that is seemingly echoed by other experts - and people are eager to assign ulterior motives and call her a hater or whatever. If she said the same thing about Owen Power no one on here would care, but because she's criticizing Jack's brother everyone on here is rushing to question it.

In regards to "character issues", that's something that's really hard to evaluate unless you know specifically of what they mean. If she just means he's a sheltered privileged little shithead jock, then yeah that's annoying and I wouldn't want to hang out with him but I don't think it's necessarily disqualifying for an NHL player. In fact I'd say the vast majority of NHL players are likely not good dudes, I know the ones I've met have been total assholes with the exception of two. And I can totally understand why a woman would be less likely to be persuaded by the "boys will be boys and they'll grow out of it" excuse.

But if it's more serious than just being an entitled teenaged brat, then it needs to be taken seriously and I think that it will. At this point I trust Castron to do his due diligence and I trust Lindy Ruff to handle his room.

Couldn’t agree more with everything said here

 

[Lou is God]

Rachel has said some negative things about Harris and Blitzer being out of touch billionaires, which doesn't seem at all unreasonable, and it's also been implied that her and Shero didn't really get along. But she's has had nothing but positive things to say about her personal interactions with Taylor Hall, Nico Hischier, Brian Boyle, Joey Anderson, and other guys she's been around. So I don't think it's fair to characterize her as someone with an axe to grind. I always got the impression that she's a person with very strong opinions and that rubbed our shot callers the wrong way.

In fact I think it's a little weird that she offers up a criticism of a prospect we haven't even drafted yet - a criticism that is seemingly echoed by other experts - and people are eager to assign ulterior motives and call her a hater or whatever. If she said the same thing about Owen Power no one on here would care, but because she's criticizing Jack's brother everyone on here is rushing to question it.

In regards to "character issues", that's something that's really hard to evaluate unless you know specifically of what they mean. If she just means he's a sheltered privileged little shithead jock, then yeah that's annoying and I wouldn't want to hang out with him but I don't think it's necessarily disqualifying for an NHL player. In fact I'd say the vast majority of NHL players are likely not good dudes, I know the ones I've met have been total assholes with the exception of two. And I can totally understand why a woman would be less likely to be persuaded by the "boys will be boys and they'll grow out of it" excuse.

But if it's more serious than just being an entitled teenaged brat, then it needs to be taken seriously and I think that it will. At this point I trust Castron to do his due diligence and I trust Lindy Ruff to handle his room.

Did you even listen to the interview? "Did a character recon"?