Series Discussion: Caps vs Hurricanes

[g00n]

Trotz wanted out, and he was inches away from being fired mid-season that year anyway. Lot of revisionist history surrounding him.

Plus, the Trotz -> Reirden transition had probably a 95% approval rating around these parts.

Exactly. The rumor was TR was the guy behind a lot of the good aspects, and the team and Trotz had basically moved on from each other. The FO relationship with BT was broken beyond repair before the team went on their run.

Then we eventually saw TR was just in over his head.

 

[Blades of Steel]

It's always easy to look back once it's happened

I don't know about y'all, but I really enjoy watching a Spencer Carberry coached team, without all the other events he likely wouldn't be here now.

 

[tenken00]

I really liked Barry Trotz. Great head coach and he connected with the guys on a very deeply personal level as well.

But I REALLY missed Mitch Korn in 2019. I think Braden Holtby missed him, too, that year.

 

[NoVaCapsFan]

Trotz wanted out, and he was inches away from being fired mid-season that year anyway. Lot of revisionist history surrounding him.

Plus, the Trotz -> Reirden transition had probably a 95% approval rating around these parts.

Reirden turned out badly in the end but I think the Caps win that 2019 Carolina series if Oshie doesn’t get injured by FFFoegele’s dirty hit.
Where Reirden really crapped the bed was the next year, when the Trotz-led Islanders boat raced the Caps in the playoffs. Our guys weren’t prepared, period.

 

[qcal1427]

Reirden turned out badly in the end but I think the Caps win that 2019 Carolina series if Oshie doesn’t get injured by FFFoegele’s dirty hit.
Where Reirden really crapped the bed was the next year, when the Trotz-led Islanders boat raced the Caps in the playoffs. Our guys weren’t prepared, period.

The Caps also win that series if Holtby doesn't completely shit the bed. Bubble playoffs were real bad though, and the Boston series wasn't great even though they once again had absolutely horrendous goaltending.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Exactly. The rumor was TR was the guy behind a lot of the good aspects,

Yeah, and that turned out to be gibberish. The FO is in charge of knowing things like that.

I didn’t hate the move at the time because I assumed they knew what they were doing, and I believed the rumors that Reirden was indeed the architect.

But in hindsight he obviously wasn’t.

Same goes for the relationship. Trotz wanted out - yeah well who wouldn’t when the understudy is incorrectly getting the credit and gunning for your job? Again, that’s a FO problem.

It culminated with Trotz leaving but nobody is implying the blunder started after the cup.

 

[kicksavedave]

Have people genuinely forgotten that Trotz WAS extended by the Caps after he won the Cup, but he resigned anyway? Have people also forgotten that Ted could have blocked him from going to the Isles, but he let him go anyway out of good will. The revisionist history and spin about that whole transaction is absurd at this point.

 

[zappa4ever]

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Where Reirden really crapped the bed was the next year, when the Trotz-led Islanders boat raced the Caps in the playoffs. Our guys weren’t prepared, period.

2020 Covid playoffs were a shitshow.
Caps didn't care, didn't want to be in the bubble, and played like they didn't want to be there and got spanked.
Seemed like the 2018 Cup had them satisfied and they didn't like being sequestered while the Hungry teams seized the oppty

 

[kicksavedave]

2020 Covid playoffs were a shitshow.
Caps didn't care, didn't want to be in the bubble, and played like they didn't want to be there and got spanked.
Seemed like the 2018 Cup had them satisfied and they didn't like being sequestered while the Hungry teams seized the oppty

There are also a lot of Caps babies born after the Cup, celebrations tend to cause that, so them not wanting to sequester wad grounded in more than just laziness.

 

[wickedwitch]

2020 Covid playoffs were a shitshow.
Caps didn't care, didn't want to be in the bubble, and played like they didn't want to be there and got spanked.
Seemed like the 2018 Cup had them satisfied and they didn't like being sequestered while the Hungry teams seized the oppty

2020 is the year I give them a pass for. Most years you don't have to choose between seeing your family at all and hockey. I don't know how motivated I'd have been if I had won a Cup 2 years ago and losing means I can see my family.

 

[Block]

There are also a lot of Caps babies born after the Cup, celebrations tend to cause that, so them not wanting to sequester wad grounded in more than just laziness.

I would've moved on from a couple of the core guys after that season, Kuzy especially. based on the reporting of how they behaved in the bubble.

 

[kicksavedave]

I would've moved on from a couple of the core guys after that season, Kuzy especially. based on the reporting of how they behaved in the bubble.

The decision when to move on from Kuzy was always tricky, but as a Conn Smythe runner up he gets a little more leash than a 4rd liner like Brendan Leipsic. I think we all agree they held onto him for too long, but thats in the past now, we've moved on finally and we're much better off now.

 

[John Price]

They need to hurry up and release the schedule already. All the East conference teams are settled.

 

[Block]

The decision when to move on from Kuzy was always tricky, but as a Conn Smythe runner up he gets a little more leash than a 4rd liner like Brendan Leipsic. I think we all agree they held onto him for too long, but thats in the past now, we've moved on finally and we're much better off now.

Oh, it is, but there'd always been the rumored issues with professionalism, and not just him. 2018 was always considered the end of our window, it wouldn't have been a bad time to reset and get a haul for a couple of the highly paid vets. I said so at the time, the whole "they were all drinking at the pool while everyone else was practicing" thing was just unacceptable to me.

 

[bacchist]

Would have announced it by now if it was Sunday, I think.

 

[qcal1427]

Have people genuinely forgotten that Trotz WAS extended by the Caps after he won the Cup, but he resigned anyway? Have people also forgotten that Ted could have blocked him from going to the Isles, but he let him go anyway out of good will. The revisionist history and spin about that whole transaction is absurd at this point.

Exactly

The Capitals Should Fire Barry Trotz

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[zappa4ever]

I'd assume the League has a 48hr minimum notice, so maybe we'd hear by 4pm or 7pm today if there's a Sunday 4 or 7pm G1 ?

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

If you’re a bored Caps fan like me, here is a video of the 50 career goals Ovi scored against the Canes prior to this season (playoffs excluded).

 

[Midnight Judges]

Trotz wanted out, and he was inches away from being fired mid-season that year anyway. Lot of revisionist history surrounding him.

There were definitely rumors of him being fired, but that's just part of the blunder. There is no advantage for a franchise to do that.

Good management works keep its options open. Burning bridges is counter productive - especially when you are still using that particular bridge on a daily basis.

Plus, the Trotz -> Reirden transition had probably a 95% approval rating around these parts.

Indeed, myself included.

But our approval was based on the assumption that Reirden was the brains behind the operation. In hindsight and with additional observations (not history revision), it's pretty clear our working knowledge was flawed.

I wouldn't expect the fanbase to know those things. But the front office - that's their job.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Have people genuinely forgotten that Trotz WAS extended by the Caps after he won the Cup, but he resigned anyway? Have people also forgotten that Ted could have blocked him from going to the Isles, but he let him go anyway out of good will. The revisionist history and spin about that whole transaction is absurd at this point.

No, not forgetting.

But the relationship never should have gotten to that point to begin with, and that's not necessarily Trotz's fault.

 

[Holtbyisms]

Interesting chart from the Athletic. They give the Caps a 35% shot to advance and have them pegged as the biggest longshot to win the Cup except for the Blues… and that may change if STL advances.

Tbh I kind of like them playing the role of underdog.


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*chart was created before tonight’s games and doesn’t reflect those outcomes

f*** this chart. How bout that!

 

[kicksavedave]

No, not forgetting.

But the relationship never should have gotten to that point to begin with, and that's not necessarily Trotz's fault.

Wait, should he have been fired before the won the Cup, or should that Caps have given him a larger extension than he had negotiated and signed already? I'm confused as to what you're suggesting they should have done differently?

 

[Neil Racki]

Backstrom, Oshie and Kuz not on the books has been the biggest benefit imo

Along w Carbs

 

[Midnight Judges]

Wait, should he have been fired before the won the Cup, or should that Caps have given him a larger extension than he had negotiated and signed already? I'm confused as to what you're suggesting they should have done differently?

They shouldn't have leaked rumors or given any hints about him potentially being fired.

If they were so clumsy that those rumors reached you and I (and they did), then they would have been blaring inside the organization and to Trotz himself. That is mismanagement and indecisiveness. Dangling people's careers on a thread like that is lame and unnecessary.

If management is discussing firing someone, then keep those discussion air tight until the final decisive action.

 

[John Price]