therealkoho
Him/Leaf/fan
No. As a 2nd round pick he's only in line for certain bonuses. Rookie contracts are strictly controlled ever since Ottawa gave away the farm on the Alex Daigle contract.
Prospect Info: 2021 2nd Rd Pick (#57 OA) - Matthew Knies (LW) - Tri-City (USHL)
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DopeyFish
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there's a difference between taking trade negotiations public which changes values/perceptions of players from both team and player perspective and negotiating through the media.
negotiating through the media has been a thing for decades. that is fair game.
where were you when dreger was basically the PR beat writer for mitch marner's agent? like non stop non-sense.
therealkoho
Him/Leaf/fan
ELC as I just wrote are finite to a degree, as a 2nd round pick his ceiling on salary and bonuses are predetermined. If the Leafs are asking him to walk away from a full ride scholarship, then Knies would get the maximum allowable for a 2nd round pick. If he were a free agent it's a little different. I can't stress this enough, but these people are professionals, and as such have reputations to protect. Negotiations are done face to face, maybe they played media games 25 years ago, but they don't do it now.
There used to be an agent who represented Russian players and only Russian players years ago and would do this kind of thing especially with his UFAs basically playing one team against the other and making fools of the people he had to deal with. Let's just say the next time he came up for certification, it wasn't granted and poof just like that he lost his main revenue stream.
It's a billion dollar business with rules, by-laws and also certain govt restrictions in different jurisdictions they don't let just anybody into their club and they have zero time for amateurs.
Menzinger
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I don't think it's any more complicated than whether the player feels more comfortable finishing his development next season in an environment that he clearly likes (current team) vs a new team/city/country with the Marlies. And the associated risks of changing leagues/levels ect.
Needs to be the right decision one way or the other for the player.
We as fans read too much into one off public statements (and this goes way beyond this particular situation)
Needs to be the right decision one way or the other for the player.
We as fans read too much into one off public statements (and this goes way beyond this particular situation)
Brobust
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The point is putting Nylander on a sheltered scoring line. He makes no sense beside Kampf and Engvall.
Brobust
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And he's giving most of it back on defence. So, to me, the points have stopped mattering.
Stephen
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Yeah, but my point is you can't shelter an 80 point scorer with a 19 year old college kid.
ULF_55
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I think Knies would be a very interesting add for the playoffs. I know it would piss some guys off, on the team, but in watching this guy, he reminds me of a kid that didn't blow me away per se , but he was above average in every regard.
Above average skating, 200 foot player, NHL body all summer long plus, Just a OHLer that could have stepped into the NHL, any day of the week.
Perhaps some of you have heard of him, name is Gabriel Landeskog.
He was a pro, from the day he arrived in Kitchener. But he wasn't flashy, just real good, at everything.
And a body that was just substantial.
Not saying Knies will be as good as Landeskog, but he is a lot trickier.
Be a treat to see him give Bunting a rest and put him in with those two superstars on the first line. And he is from Arizona too, hmmmm.
Say what you want about our best buddies in Quebec, but they brought up a gangly goalie out of the NCAA, and won a Stanley Cup in a year, that the Bruins or Philadelphia were expected to take the prize.
That same goalie became a lawyer and even helped the Toronto Maple Leafs for a few years.
Oh and that guy also wrote one of the top three sports books on hockey that I have ever read.
Ken Dryden.
Above average skating, 200 foot player, NHL body all summer long plus, Just a OHLer that could have stepped into the NHL, any day of the week.
Perhaps some of you have heard of him, name is Gabriel Landeskog.
He was a pro, from the day he arrived in Kitchener. But he wasn't flashy, just real good, at everything.
And a body that was just substantial.
Not saying Knies will be as good as Landeskog, but he is a lot trickier.
Be a treat to see him give Bunting a rest and put him in with those two superstars on the first line. And he is from Arizona too, hmmmm.
Say what you want about our best buddies in Quebec, but they brought up a gangly goalie out of the NCAA, and won a Stanley Cup in a year, that the Bruins or Philadelphia were expected to take the prize.
That same goalie became a lawyer and even helped the Toronto Maple Leafs for a few years.
Oh and that guy also wrote one of the top three sports books on hockey that I have ever read.
Ken Dryden.
ULF_55
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If the Leafs feel he is ready then I support signing him.
Only 1 year in college is irrelevant, he will be 20 this year and has had the equivalent experience of any other 20 year old. Considering he played in a man's tournament at the Olympics is something most graduating juniors have not experienced.
As mentioned before though, maybe he has no interest in playing in the AHL, but that would not be any different if they wait another year. He isn't going to be guaranteed a NHL job, whether it is this year or next year.
But if he isn't ready then let him go back to for another college season, and perhaps he'll be available same time next year.
I've read Dubas does not like performance bonuses. Could that be a hold-up?
LeafChief
Matthew Knies Enthusiast
Knies would not be eligible for the World Juniors next Christmas due to age. Just to give everyone an idea of his age.
If he signs now it would be great. If he signs next year he'll be a huge add towards the end of the season.
If he comes now and brings Ben Meyers with him, even better.
If he signs now it would be great. If he signs next year he'll be a huge add towards the end of the season.
If he comes now and brings Ben Meyers with him, even better.
My TLDR,
1 - There is no rush the kid is still extremely young
2 - Having Knies play one more year in college would do a world of good. Allow him to lead his team. Allow him to dominate the league.
3 - He very well might not be ready to play against men
4 - What is the rush?!?!?!?!
1 - There is no rush the kid is still extremely young
2 - Having Knies play one more year in college would do a world of good. Allow him to lead his team. Allow him to dominate the league.
3 - He very well might not be ready to play against men
4 - What is the rush?!?!?!?!
I think Wheeler is hinting that Knies is going to sign, based on his latest article summarizing the Frozen Four … all he says is “Stay tuned. *winks*” … not sure he’s an insider by any means but might know something.
Tufted Titmouse
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1 - He is not extremely young; there are recent cases of similarly talented and man-bodied prospects stepping in from the NCAA and having a positive impact.
2 - The "allow him to dominate" narrative I think is really misunderstood. What do players really learn from dominating smaller, younger opponents?
3 - With players that have his skillset, the biggest issue for graduating to pro is often the size and conditioning differences. Knies is a big boy and appears to be a physical specimen. There is no question his physical tools would be an upgrade over half our line up.
4 - We have genuinely the best Leaf team since the early 2000's, and adding a huge, physical, talented winger could be enough to tip the scales in some closely fought games. We would have 10 games to decide if he's actually an upgrade on Kase/Spezza/Simmonds.
While I have no issues bringing him in (I think he would step in as our black ace), I do wonder if not being able to offer signing bonuses could be what really stops him.
I trust our development staff to know what's best.
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Have they outlawed signing bonuses?
I was under the impression you could give 10% of the contract as a signing bonus?
That would be $92,500 on a max elc.
Anyone know for sure?
Americanadian
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If you read the comments Wheeler said the *wink* was because he is writing an article about Knies and specifies it's not about him potentially signing.
I thought that the max signing bonus was 10% of the base salary as well, but that is apparently not the case (Mikko Kokkonen's contract has 80k sb with league min base salary of 750/775k). Maybe it's 10% of the AAV?
I'm not sure why there would be any holdup on signing bonuses with Knies, seeing as the Leafs have given out signing bonuses with literally every ELC they've signed for quite a while. My assumption is that was a typo and the original reporter meant performance bonuses instead. The Leafs haven't given a performance bonus to anyone since Ian Scott in Dec 2018. There was also some talk last year about how it was difficult to get Liljegren into the line-up because his performance bonus gave him an increased daily cap hit (This is why the Leafs are no longer giving performance bonuses on any ELCs).
Albus Dumbledore
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If the Leafs mgmt think he's ready to make the jump this year and he wants to then let's make it happen. I don't understand the elc hesitation or that he's young. We are contending team. We could use a solid elc player RIGHT NOW. If he joins next year or the year after so be it. But we could always improve and if Knies moves the needle even this year and makes our odds at winning even a little bit higher then let's go.
LeafChief
Matthew Knies Enthusiast
Regardless what happens, all we know is that people on here will make a big deal either way. The sky will always fall, baby!
29Potvin
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I can understand his hesitation but if I see the chance Abruzzese is getting and the Leafs are offering me to play with AM/MM or WN/JT for the next 8-10 games and possibly the PO it would be hard for me to turn down.
And with his size and playing style the risk of injury playing in college would be a huge risk and set your career back
And with his size and playing style the risk of injury playing in college would be a huge risk and set your career back
TheGreatOne11
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Honestly this year is all in, i see him being signed, playing a few games before the season ends to see what we have and what chemistry can be created and him becoming our black ace for the post season.
That's how i see it playing out anyways, it's up to him if he'd like to join i think the team goes for it but i read he cant get a signing bonus so i would understand if he held back.
That's how i see it playing out anyways, it's up to him if he'd like to join i think the team goes for it but i read he cant get a signing bonus so i would understand if he held back.
He can, and would get a signing bonus. Abruzzese got $85,000 signing bonus, I'm not sure what the limit is but it's not far off that (Power got $92,500 which may be the limit).
The confusion here seems to be signing bonuses vs. performance bonuses, signing bonuses are a formality and a non-issue to a draft pick. Performance bonuses do carry cap implications and the Leafs have generally wanted ELC players to forgo them.
