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GDT: 2021-22 season game 19 LA Kings vs Toronto Maple Leafs @7:00pm 11/24/21

kingsfan28 said:
Kupari should be benched, he's the worst center on the team, he's not using any of his skills, just a big pile of shit at the moment. and that crappy play carries over to his linemates. He can't get the puck to them, even to simply breakout.
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Kupari is the one that should be benched ????
We have a guy making 10 mill who plays worse than that.
This is what i am concerned with.
Kupari just needs more polishing in the AHL.

I said it before, what are the youngsters supposed to learn from watching the guys at the big team?
Did you watch our breakout over the last years? Same with our mortar shots out of our zone right to the opponent. Did you notice some playmaking activities that forces opponent defenders out of position and pass to the open team mate?
Right, me neither

Keep the youngsters away from this train wreck and build a team in Ontario
until we ride out the old folks and change the coaching staff with people have at least watched games in recent NHL history.
 
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Deaders Ghost said:
Goal, assist, and some of the most brutal blown coverages I’ve ever witnessed.

Maatta 2.0
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If Durzi can keep up his current scoring pace, he'll tie Maatta's total points in a Kings sweater in two more games. In 55 games as a King, Maatta has 6 assists and a -12.

So not at all like Maatta, because Durzi creates offense. Shelter Durzi's minutes, pair him with a defensive defenseman, and roll him out on the powerplay. What a concept
 
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tbrown33 said:
sorry, that just makes too much sense, Kings cant make logical decisions rn
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You need Edler to play harder minutes than anything you could ask of Durzi.

Its fair to expect being passive and unsure in your first game, but it was much worse than that. Durzi invited chaos and the positions he took up on ice were amateur hour. There is just way too far to go for him to learn on the job without the threat of giving up multiple goals every night. And while that might be fine for him, there is the health of a whole team to consider and having such a disadvantage in the lineup affects more than just him.

He got a damn good taste, learned that his best abilities are capable of producing in the NHL and his coverages need a lot of work. Send him back down with some confidence and knowledge of what he needs to do to get back.
 
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bland said:
You need Edler to play harder minutes than anything you could ask of Durzi.
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If they are trying to make the playoffs yes thats true. If they see Durzi as a regular NHL dman its a necessary step to take. This is the disconnect between winning and being competitive now vs letting young players get a shot to be a part of the next wave even if they have warts.
I dont know how they view Durzi long term but he came in yesterday and did something for the teams powerplay that has not been done all season. Theres something to that at least.
 
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JAD (2017 Draft) is older than Kupari (2018 Draft).

Kupari got his taste of the NHL, now he needs to work on his game more. He can probably do that better in Ontario.
 
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bland said:
You need Edler to play harder minutes than anything you could ask of Durzi.

Its fair to expect being passive and unsure in your first game, but it was much worse than that. Durzi invited chaos and the positions he took up on ice were amateur hour. There is just way too far to go for him to learn on the job without the threat of giving up multiple goals every night. And while that might be fine for him, there is the health of a whole team to consider and having such a disadvantage in the lineup affects more than just him.

He got a damn good taste, learned that his best abilities are capable of producing in the NHL and his coverages need a lot of work. Send him back down with some confidence and knowledge of what he needs to do to get back.
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that is how kids learn and that should be paramount here right now so the organization can go from expecting to lose games like this to having the kinds of players who are expected to win
 
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kingsfan28 said:
I was surprised they didn't put him with Edler. he really need someone to cover his eventual mistakes. Maata was a hot mess.
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Are you really surprised, though? lol

He got a good taste/trial by fire. Would love to see him get a couple more games vs. different opponents with different partners for learning and growth before going back down.

Like I said before, I'm not sure he ever sticks, but I'd love to be wrong. Maybe he DOES bring overwhelming offense and he's worth sheltering, a la Colin Miller in Vegas. That'll be something for the next coach though.


kingsfan28 said:
Ain't just tonight. He just has nothing, even his speed isn't working. He's passing up shots, then taking penalties, missing checks, then getting out worked in the corners. Time to bring back JAD or Valardi [depending on how he's recovered from covid] . Kapuri just can't cut it.
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I think it's a reflection moment for Kupari. Like Martinez's first call up. Right now he's drinking from the fire hose and it's all overwhelming him. Sit him, let him settle down, either scratch or to the AHL, and come back in a little bit.
 
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kilowatt said:
that is how kids learn and that should be paramount here right now so the organization can go from expecting to lose games like this to having the kinds of players who are expected to win
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Nice, you misunderstood that twice.

Sean Durzi cannot defend at the AHL level, he has no NHL chance until he makes major changes to his game and that cannot happen here and should not happen at the expense of Clague who is a much better prospect and takes his game much more seriously. That is the player you develop.

Your argument only works if the prospect in question is one worth grooming. Promoting Durzi was a mistake, there is extremely limited upside there and frankly there are multiple other defenders in Ontario who should be given the opportunity first because they show more dedication to their craft.

Durzi is Scott Parse on the blueline. All flash, little effort put into the harder areas of the game.
 
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bland said:
Nice, you misunderstood that twice.

Sean Durzi cannot defend at the AHL level, he has no NHL chance until he makes major changes to his game and that cannot happen here and should not happen at the expense of Clague who is a much better prospect and takes his game much more seriously. That is the player you develop.

Your argument only works if the prospect in question is one worth grooming. Promoting Durzi was a mistake, there is extremely limited upside there and frankly there are multiple other defenders in Ontario who should be given the opportunity first because they show more dedication to their craft.

Durzi is Scott Parse on the blueline. All flash, little effort put into the harder areas of the game.
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It definitely shouldn't happen at the expense of Clague, but we know how the org feels about him. It SHOULD happen at the expense of Maatta, but we know how the org feels about him.

I think it's worth discussing whether he's with grooming because I agree with you that he's not a long-term solution but there's a chance we're wrong and if there's ever a time to find out it would be now. I'd say give him another couple of games and if the dude is hovering a PPG and can minimize mistakes (away from Maatta) it's worth a look to have a 'specialist' since our PP is broken beyond belief otherwise. We have enough 'safe' guys that we can afford a riverboat gambler to trade some possession for some GF.
 
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Why did they hire 5 front office staff, MIT and Harvard grads, uber analytics geniuses, a baseball guy, data experts.....and what do they do with their reports and data?
You don't need all of that to see that Brown and Maatta are detrimental at all facets of the game, by eye test, or any metrics.
 
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bland said:
Nice, you misunderstood that twice.

Sean Durzi cannot defend at the AHL level, he has no NHL chance until he makes major changes to his game and that cannot happen here and should not happen at the expense of Clague who is a much better prospect and takes his game much more seriously. That is the player you develop.

Your argument only works if the prospect in question is one worth grooming. Promoting Durzi was a mistake, there is extremely limited upside there and frankly there are multiple other defenders in Ontario who should be given the opportunity first because they show more dedication to their craft.

Durzi is Scott Parse on the blueline. All flash, little effort put into the harder areas of the game.
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It actually wasn't my argument, it was yours.

Speculation: - 2021-21 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster discussion part V
 
Good power-play defensemen know how to fake or misdirect on a pass to buy the shooter half a second. That makes all the difference in creating a real scoring chance. Roy has no business on the PP because as a viewer I know exactly where he's going next when he has the puck and if I know, you can be certain the PKers do.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
It definitely shouldn't happen at the expense of Clague, but we know how the org feels about him. It SHOULD happen at the expense of Maatta, but we know how the org feels about him.

I think it's worth discussing whether he's with grooming because I agree with you that he's not a long-term solution but there's a chance we're wrong and if there's ever a time to find out it would be now. I'd say give him another couple of games and if the dude is hovering a PPG and can minimize mistakes (away from Maatta) it's worth a look to have a 'specialist' since our PP is broken beyond belief otherwise. We have enough 'safe' guys that we can afford a riverboat gambler to trade some possession for some GF.
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Here's the thing with Clague, he has yet to do what Durzi did last night in his 33 games with the Kings. I can't think of one time where he tried to make a play, move to the inside and let it rip. He has the ability, I've seen it when he was with team Canada, but as a pro, nothing. Not sure why. Maybe it was just the 1st game amp, but Durzi looked real hungry with the puck, something only Doughty has shown. I really want the guy to do well, but something just isn't there with Clague. He's is the better defender for sure, but he can't just be that, not on a team screaming for offense from the backend.

Who knowns, maybe Durzi turns into Vince Dunn with some time. Score a lot, give up a few bad ones along the way. I could live with that.
 
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bland said:
Nice, you misunderstood that twice.

Sean Durzi cannot defend at the AHL level, he has no NHL chance until he makes major changes to his game and that cannot happen here and should not happen at the expense of Clague who is a much better prospect and takes his game much more seriously. That is the player you develop.

Your argument only works if the prospect in question is one worth grooming. Promoting Durzi was a mistake, there is extremely limited upside there and frankly there are multiple other defenders in Ontario who should be given the opportunity first because they show more dedication to their craft.

Durzi is Scott Parse on the blueline. All flash, little effort put into the harder areas of the game.
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There is room for a player like Durzi - just not on the Kings right now.

If there was a Willie Mitchell/Rob Scuderi type of dedenseman who could allow him to play to his strength or give him direction, he could thrive.
 
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kilowatt said:
If Durzi can keep up his current scoring pace, he'll tie Maatta's total points in a Kings sweater in two more games. In 55 games as a King, Maatta has 6 assists and a -12.

So not at all like Maatta, because Durzi creates offense. Shelter Durzi's minutes, pair him with a defensive defenseman, and roll him out on the powerplay. What a concept
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It’s a nice thought and all, but man you so wrong.

Am I the only one who remembers what Maattas point totals looked like when he was with the pens? He was just as awful then.
 
Deaders Ghost said:
It’s a nice thought and all, but man you so wrong.

Am I the only one who remembers what Maattas point totals looked like when he was with the pens? He was just as awful then.
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Wait what? I'm not defending Maatta. I want him strapped in as the figurehead on @Sol's rocket.
 
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