Roster Moves: 2021/22 Roster Thread III: 50 shades of bland

[deadhead]

Probably just wanted him available if someone else went down, once the game starts you can't play your 13th forward.
MacEwen or Brown should be available by Monday, and Phantoms have 2 games this weekend.

 

[Psuhockey]

No, we need two solid pairs, there are only a handful of dominant defensemen, just being flashy on offense doesn't make you dominant, it's reserved for guys who control play over 200 feet.

What good teams have are two solid pairs that can play 45+ minutes a night between them, so you can get by with an average third pair that can be sheltered. So if York can be one of that quartet, he's a solid pick.

You need multiple superstars in their prime to win a cup. St Louis is probably the least talented roster to win a cup in 15 years and their top 3 players were better than anything on the Flyers currently outside of Couturier.

So the Flyers don’t have them at forward besides Couturier then they need them on defense. And Couturier is aging out of his prime soon so getting just good players with draft picks isn’t going to cut it.

 

[Curufinwe]

The Caps didn't have multiple superstars.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Caps didn't have multiple superstars.

Backstrom, Carlson, a guy named Ovechkin who may be the greatest goalscorer in history? How are we defining "superstars"

 

[Chinatown88]

Exciting to watch all the HF homies drink a lot of booze.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Exciting to watch all the HF homies drink a lot of booze.

Can't wait to be outshot 25-13 by the end of the 2nd losing 3-1...

 

[wasup]

And the yo-yo begins. Wondering if this means Brown's cleared the Covid protocol or something.

Hey to be fair they said they did not want Frost to Yo Yo between NHL and AHL . They did not say they did not like to play Yo Yo .

 

[deadhead]

Backstrom, Carlson, a guy named Ovechkin who may be the greatest goalscorer in history? How are we defining "superstars"

Elite players, Backstrom doesn't qualify, and Carlsson has been a good but not great D-men (top offensively, below average defensively most of his career). Backstrom is a top 2C, marginal 1C on most teams. One great season at 22, age 26-31 averaged 14-28 42 at ES with above average but not exceptional defense.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Hey to be fair they said they did not want Frost to Yo Yo between NHL and AHL . They did not say they did not like to play Yo Yo .

This post was so difficult to read.

 

[Psuhockey]

Elite players, Backstrom doesn't qualify, and Carlsson has been a good but not great D-men (top offensively, below average defensively most of his career). Backstrom is a top 2C, marginal 1C on most teams. One great season at 22, age 26-31 averaged 14-28 42 at ES with above average but not exceptional defense.

Carlson led the NHL in points for defensemen in 2018 the year they won the cup. Holtby won the Vezina two years prior to that and the Jennings the year before. Backstrom has a career points per game of 0.969 putting him at 76th overall in NHL history (for context Giroux 0.910 career at 105). That’s not bad for a 2c, marginal 1c. Ovechkin isn’t exceptional defensively either but I would say is a superstar though.

NHL & WHA Career Leaders and Records for Points Per Game | Hockey-Reference.com
Edit: Backstrom not qualifying as a superstar followed by that explanation may be one of the dumbest things ever said on a message board. I guess only the top 50 all time point producers classify as superstars.

 

[deadhead]

Washington had good STs in 2017-18, both the PP and PK, but only had 55 PP goals v giving up 53 on the PK. 4 SH but 8 SH against. Go figure.
Holtby was actually an average goalie during the regular season, Grabauer outplayed him.
Balanced scoring on the top two lines, Ovechkin (56), Kuznetsov (52), Backstrom (45), Wilson (33), Eller (32), Oshie (29), young third line that was meh, and checking 4th line, Beagle, Chiasson, Stephenson, Smith-Pelly.
Balanced scoring on the defense, Carlson (36), Niskanen (28), Orlov (27), but Orpik was the #4, followed by Djoos and Bowry.

Holtby got hot in the playoffs, as did the PP (22 goals in 24 games, Ovechkin and Oshie with 6 each), top six did most of the scoring, Kuznetsov (20), Ovechkin (16), Wilson (15), Eller (14), Backstrom (10), Oshie (10).

Good blueprint, two top lines, a solid bottom six but nothing special, 3 top D-men with Kempny as the #4 in the playoffs, a hot goalie.

 

[landsbergfan]

Backstrom, Carlson, a guy named Ovechkin who may be the greatest goalscorer in history? How are we defining "superstars"

I mean, they had Niskanen...so I'm not sure much more has to be said

 

[Rebels57]

Exciting to watch all the HF homies drink a lot of booze.

A top pair of OEL - Myers is the stuff of nightmares...Canucks fans must feel like Flyers fans

 

[Beef Invictus]

Washington had good STs in 2017-18, both the PP and PK, but only had 55 PP goals v giving up 53 on the PK. 4 SH but 8 SH against. Go figure.
Holtby was actually an average goalie during the regular season, Grabauer outplayed him.
Balanced scoring on the top two lines, Ovechkin (56), Kuznetsov (52), Backstrom (45), Wilson (33), Eller (32), Oshie (29), young third line that was meh, and checking 4th line, Beagle, Chiasson, Stephenson, Smith-Pelly.
Balanced scoring on the defense, Carlson (36), Niskanen (28), Orlov (27), but Orpik was the #4, followed by Djoos and Bowry.

Holtby got hot in the playoffs, as did the PP (22 goals in 24 games, Ovechkin and Oshie with 6 each), top six did most of the scoring, Kuznetsov (20), Ovechkin (16), Wilson (15), Eller (14), Backstrom (10), Oshie (10).

Good blueprint, two top lines, a solid bottom six but nothing special, 3 top D-men with Kempny as the #4 in the playoffs, a hot goalie.

They were also really well coached. Coaching matters.

 

[Psuhockey]

Washington had good STs in 2017-18, both the PP and PK, but only had 55 PP goals v giving up 53 on the PK. 4 SH but 8 SH against. Go figure.
Holtby was actually an average goalie during the regular season, Grabauer outplayed him.
Balanced scoring on the top two lines, Ovechkin (56), Kuznetsov (52), Backstrom (45), Wilson (33), Eller (32), Oshie (29), young third line that was meh, and checking 4th line, Beagle, Chiasson, Stephenson, Smith-Pelly.
Balanced scoring on the defense, Carlson (36), Niskanen (28), Orlov (27), but Orpik was the #4, followed by Djoos and Bowry.

Holtby got hot in the playoffs, as did the PP (22 goals in 24 games, Ovechkin and Oshie with 6 each), top six did most of the scoring, Kuznetsov (20), Ovechkin (16), Wilson (15), Eller (14), Backstrom (10), Oshie (10).

Good blueprint, two top lines, a solid bottom six but nothing special, 3 top D-men with Kempny as the #4 in the playoffs, a hot goalie.

So two top 100 scorers of all time is nothing special?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Exciting to watch all the HF homies drink a lot of booze.

wait till his presser after the 6-1 loss..

"players need to buy in, and play harder"...

 

[dragonoffrost]

I'm getting shades of 2012 with these waiver grabs.

That was the year of 14 defensemen. Only two were not garbage.

Kimmo Timonen
Luke Schenn
Erik Gustafsson
Bruno Gervais
Braydon Coburn
Kurtis Foster
Nicklas Grossmann
Oliver Lauridsen
Brandon Manning
Andrej Meszaros
Jay Rosehill
Kent Huskins
Matthew Konan
Andreas Lilja

Actually only one of those wasn't hot garbage and he carried one to respectable.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

A top pair of OEL - Myers is the stuff of nightmares...Canucks fans must feel like Flyers fans

Vancouver’s whole defense looks terrible.

1st Pair LD Ekman-Larsson RD Myers
2nd Pair LD Hughes RD Poolman
3rd Pair LD Rathbone RD Burroughs
Extra’s:
RD Schenn
LD Hunt
RD Hamonic ~ AHL

 

[Beef Invictus]

Elite players, Backstrom doesn't qualify, and Carlsson has been a good but not great D-men (top offensively, below average defensively most of his career). Backstrom is a top 2C, marginal 1C on most teams. One great season at 22, age 26-31 averaged 14-28 42 at ES with above average but not exceptional defense.

Your characterization of Backstrom is entirely divorced from reality. You're just being a contrarian now.

The only teams where Backstrom is a 2C are teams with guys Like McDavid or Crosby.

 

[wasup]

This post was so difficult to read.

It was a quote from our GM earlier saying when they bring Frost up they want to keep him up not have him yo yo between the AHL and NHL . Now they are doing this with Cates . In a week he has gone from up to down to up and now back down again .

 

[dragonoffrost]

ya but frost could've had 15 minutes easily playing as the 2 or 3c until hayes came back...

Or you build a 4th line with enough skill that lines can ROLL without having to have ROLES.... Novel idea I know.

 

[Curufinwe]

Backstrom, Carlson, a guy named Ovechkin who may be the greatest goalscorer in history? How are we defining "superstars"

Ovechkin is a superstar, the other guys aren't. Pretty simple.

 

[Psuhockey]

Ovechkin is a superstar, the other guys aren't. Pretty simple.

Backstrom’s a surefire hall of famer. Is that not good enough to be considered a superstar?

 

[Curufinwe]

Carlson led the NHL in points for defensemen in 2018 the year they won the cup. Holtby won the Vezina two years prior to that and the Jennings the year before.

Holtby wasn't even the Caps starting goalie in that playoff run. He lost the starting job after a regular season where his SV% was .907.

 

[captainpaxil]

Your characterization of Backstrom is entirely divorced from reality. You're just being a contrarian now.

The only teams where Backstrom is a 2C are teams with guys Like McDavid or Crosby.

Real superstars.
A player can be very good even among the elite of his peers but superstars are that next level where they count their peers on one hand. Backstrom is in the same category as giroux an absolute star but not in that ovechkin group
Edmonton reminds me of the 90s flyers where they have two superstars and still no shot.