Roster Moves: 2021/22 Roster Thread III: 50 shades of bland

[VladDrag]

was happy with the pick because I know he'll be good -- just had a few others higher given potential ceilings. Wasn't a bad process pick or anything. His hands are as soft and passing as crisp as you'll see. Maybe an organization drills into him to let it loose more often. It's in there. Will that be this nothing-but-defense lame ass organization?

It’s really hard to make someone let loose, and usually it’s easier to have someone reel it in. Not saying it won’t happen but that’s a stylistic approach that he’s had since juniors, and it’s really effective. It’s certainly not going to happen under this coaching staff.

I like him, but I think there might be some forwards taken after him that may be higher impact players in 5 years. He’s certainly a better pick than I had originally thought.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Yeah, but MacEwan EARNED his spot.

HEY, the Flyers Org. has never blocked a youths roster spot..


SUPA Zing.... hahahaha

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Why are people still going on about the "rebuild" that started and ended with Hextall. That guy was fired three years ago.

wait so this is a completed rebuild ?

yikes, thats even worseeeee....

 

[FlyerNutter]

wait so this is a completed rebuild ?

yikes, thats even worseeeee....

Its not. It never was, and there were rightful concerns about that decision at the time.

I dont know in what world they expected to find the next "generation" picking nearly in the middle of the first round every season of a retool, with - and here is the key - piss poor development. That 2nd overall wasn't supposed to happen to begin with, because Hextall wasn't aggressive enough to ensure the Flyers would fall to that level.

We are seeing the same thing today, except its something worse. Some naive belief that they can compete with what we see in front of us. Even with players healthy, this doesn't hold a candle to the top clubs of the league. The coaching is a problem, but there isn't nearly enough talent in this lineup to continue going forward status quo.

To start this season, yet again we see young stars being introduced into the league. Not a Flyer in sight.

 

[flyersnorth]

remember the year we went throu like 70 goalies in a season..

good times...

Elliott
Hart
Lyon
McKenna
Neuvirth
Pickard
Stolarz
Talbot

I kinda wanted them to have a 9th and set the record. May as well make it historic!

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Elliott
Hart
Lyon
McKenna
Neuvirth
Pickard
Stolarz
Talbot

I kinda wanted them to have a 9th and set the record. May as well make it historic!

wait i thought we did have the record...

 

[flyersnorth]

wait i thought we did have the record...

Oh you're right! Just googled it. My bad.

The previous was 7 by the Kings, Blues, and Nordiques.

Yay us!

 

[Magua]

To be fair, no one thought Spurgeon would become as good as he is either. He was a 6th rounder. Somewhere along the way he took huge unexpected strides. Maybe York can too.

I mean, sure. He was also a 6th rounder because of his size and being a late bloomer. But York has been on the scene for a long time and been pretty advanced for his age at each level. I’m just saying he’s not some prodigious defender like people make out (Timonen, etc.); he’s competent and good in ways. That’s totally fine! It’s the offensive dynamism that affects his projection the most. I think he’s good, not great in that area. I think York is a terrific prospect; like certain other players, it’s more a matter of liking him for what he is and not what he isn’t.

 

[Psuhockey]

I had York at #14, I think. He went #14. It's never really been a case of being negative towards him......I just expect him to be a good PP, hopefully play driving 2nd pair guy. His efficiency is his strength and weakness; he's consistently average-above average, with very few poor games and very few commanding ones. It's hard for me to see him becoming a dominant player at ES or PP because he doesn't take enough risks. He has great gaps and a good stick, but anyone who tries to compensate and sell him as Spurgeon defensively is laying it on thick. Even on the PP, for as much as he's billed as the high-end heir to the PP1 throne, he's more a good manager than a dynamic weapon.

I was happy with the pick because I know he'll be good -- just had a few others higher given potential ceilings. Wasn't a bad process pick or anything. His hands are as soft and passing as crisp as you'll see. Maybe an organization drills into him to let it loose more often. It's in there. Will that be this nothing-but-defense lame ass organization?

Maybe they can? Recognizing he needs to be aggressive is at least something.

 

[Magua]

Maybe they can? Recognizing he needs to be aggressive is at least something.

That’s fair — I hope I’m wrong. We’ll see what happens if he makes a mistake being aggressive. Also, that team could be blitzkrieged in shot differentials, so we’ll see how easy it is for him to jump into plays and attack.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Well for how many times Lappy got smoked in the head with a puck, I’ll admit, he seems to have more sense than the entire coaching staff of the Flyers combined.

 

[Asnito]

If Lappy is going to make that an emphasis all year for York leave him in the A and keep him away from the Flyers until AV is gone.

 

[flyerslducks]

You can groom players in the NHL. All players have to finish developing in the NHL anyhow. You do not need to make your roster worse for no reason.

i dont get why people think the ahl is the only place for players to get better lol

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

i dont get why people think the ahl is the only place for players to get better lol

I think the thought is they’d rather have them play 20+ minutes per game in the A than 6-8 minutes per game in the NHL. Not saying I agree, but that’s the rationale.

 

[flyerslducks]

I think the thought is they’d rather have them play 20+ minutes per game in the A than 6-8 minutes per game in the NHL. Not saying I agree, but that’s the rationale.

ya but frost could've had 15 minutes easily playing as the 2 or 3c until hayes came back...

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

ya but frost could've had 15 minutes easily playing as the 2 or 3c until hayes came back...

And THAT is what’s baffling for me. There was no one playing better than him in the 2-3 center spots. He should be/needs to be in the lineup.

 

[VladDrag]

Maybe they can? Recognizing he needs to be aggressive is at least something.

The big thing is it needs to come from Cam himself. He needs to be the one consciously make that decision, and then actively change his game.

You have to imagine this isn’t the first time he’s heard that comment.

 

[Asnito]

The big thing is it needs to come from Cam himself. He needs to be the one consciously make that decision, and then actively change his game.

You have to imagine this isn’t the first time he’s heard that comment.

This will be his first year as a pro so hopefully a different regimen will produce different results.

 

[baudib1]

I mean, sure. He was also a 6th rounder because of his size and being a late bloomer. But York has been on the scene for a long time and been pretty advanced for his age at each level. I’m just saying he’s not some prodigious defender like people make out (Timonen, etc.); he’s competent and good in ways. That’s totally fine! It’s the offensive dynamism that affects his projection the most. I think he’s good, not great in that area. I think York is a terrific prospect; like certain other players, it’s more a matter of liking him for what he is and not what he isn’t.

being neither defensively prodigious nor overly offensively dynanismistmatic seems like a typical Flyer.

 

[deadhead]

There is nothing wrong with being "quietly efficient," making the right plays, making crisp accurate outlet passes, avoiding turnovers, etc.
York lacks the skill to be a "flashy" offensive defenseman, but how many are net positives at even strength? (think OEL).
There are very few high impact offensive defensemen:
2019-2021:
44 D-men score 1+ pp/60, only 12 score 1.2+ pp/60. (Yandle 38, Sanheim 64)
Carlson, Maker, DeAngelo, Ellis, Josi, Weegar, Hamilton, Ekblad, Barrie, Muzzin, Theodore, Letang

If York is a solid top 4 D-man with a xGF > 52% for a decade, who cares if he fails to make ESPN highlight plays?

 

[Beef Invictus]

There is nothing wrong with being "quietly efficient," making the right plays, making crisp accurate outlet passes, avoiding turnovers, etc.
York lacks the skill to be a "flashy" offensive defenseman, but how many are net positives at even strength? (think OEL).
There are very few high impact offensive defensemen:
2019-2021:
44 D-men score 1+ pp/60, only 12 score 1.2+ pp/60. (Yandle 38, Sanheim 64)
Carlson, Maker, DeAngelo, Ellis, Josi, Weegar, Hamilton, Ekblad, Barrie, Muzzin, Theodore, Letang

If York is a solid top 4 D-man with a xGF > 52% for a decade, who cares if he fails to make ESPN highlight plays?

We need a 1D, but sure. Who cares when they repeatedly fail to find one?

 

[flyerslducks]

No one really said there’s something wrong with it. More of talk about how there are guys with higher upside. I think we all are fine with the pick tho. Yorks from my hometown so I’m pulling for him like crazy.

 

[Philly Fanatik]

We need a 1D, but sure. Who cares when they repeatedly fail to find one?

Would’ve look nice on our backend!

 

[deadhead]

We need a 1D, but sure. Who cares when they repeatedly fail to find one?

No, we need two solid pairs, there are only a handful of dominant defensemen, just being flashy on offense doesn't make you dominant, it's reserved for guys who control play over 200 feet.

What good teams have are two solid pairs that can play 45+ minutes a night between them, so you can get by with an average third pair that can be sheltered. So if York can be one of that quartet, he's a solid pick.

 

[ponder719]

And the yo-yo begins. Wondering if this means Brown's cleared the Covid protocol or something.