Speculation: 2021-21 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster discussion part V

[Trash Panda]

I think Brown resigns for 1 year at a time.

Good god, I sure hope not.

 

[kingsfan]

It is too early to talk about trading Vilardi. I think we should give him a full season look before packaging him in deals. There is also no rush to call up Turcotte this season. Let him play another year in the AHL.

From a pure logical standpoint, Blake should consider trading Brown at the deadline, because a team would want his vet presence for a playoff run, and we need space for our youth. However, sometimes decisions are not made based on logic, and Brown's history with the Kings may make him stay until his contract is up.

Yeah, us.

I want to see Gabe play RW first but if we keep him at center for better "trade value" then I would consider a Vilardi for Thomas Harley trade.

Pretty sure Dallas wouldn't.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

A single depth forward, and a non-elite prospect. Which team has so many quality defensemen, that they can accept that offer for one of them?

Muzzin was had for a late 1st, Grundstrom and Durzi.

I did not use the term 'non-elite' . I used A SECOND LEVEL King Prospect is a top prospect to most teams.
I am not talking about a prospect like Alex Laferriere (although he's not bad)
In my mind, I'm drawing a line after Byfield, Turcotte, Kaliyev, Clarke, Kupari, Pinelli, Chromiak and Faber and was pretty much others like Madden, Fagemo, Grans, Spence, Nousiainen
Thomas, Anderson-Dolan, Helenius, Kirsanov, etc. No, I am not wanting to trade any of them and there surely are teams that would want them.

Yes, a team would trade you a good defenseman for Kempe + Grans. And no, I don't want to trade Grans. I should have wrote that out like this, but didn't. A 'good defenseman', for that matter, means to me: a defenseman that can play NHL 3-4 and ideally under 28 yrs old.

I'd trade more for Chychrun and include the 2022 #1 unprotected even. (sure, you ask for top 10 protected) Chychrun + Doughty AND Iafallo + Danault (who would have thought) would take this team to the playoffs this year and anything could happen. (not even talking Kopi having a big year) Iafallo is becoming a monster...may reach 30 goals....Danault is SO GOOD and making this team better each game. Chychrun is a monster and top pairing LHD and what the Kings need. And make the PP much better. Goalies can't stop his shot and also have Arty opposite side? The Kings have won 4 straight and looking decent. Now, add Doughty and Chychrun to that? Arvidsson was looking good and will be back and score 20+ still. Lemieux is adding a much needed dimension and is 5-0 with him. Who knows how much Byfield can contribute? The game he was injured, he was one of the best forwards on the ice that night. Do I expect him to go 15-15-30 this year? Who knows? Arty has 3 goals and not even getting much icetime. The kids are arriving, succeeding and helping the team win. It's beautiful.

 

[kingsfan28]

Muzzin was had for a late 1st, Grundstrom and Durzi.

I did not use the term 'non-elite' . I used A SECOND LEVEL King Prospect is a top prospect to most teams.
I am not talking about a prospect like Alex Laferriere (although he's not bad)
In my mind, I'm drawing a line after Byfield, Turcotte, Kaliyev, Clarke, Kupari, Pinelli, Chromiak and Faber and was pretty much others like Madden, Fagemo, Grans, Spence, Nousiainen
Thomas, Anderson-Dolan, Helenius, Kirsanov, etc. No, I am not wanting to trade any of them and there surely are teams that would want them.

Yes, a team would trade you a good defenseman for Kempe + Grans. And no, I don't want to trade Grans. I should have wrote that out like this, but didn't. A 'good defenseman', for that matter, means to me: a defenseman that can play NHL 3-4 and ideally under 28 yrs old.

I'd trade more for Chychrun and include the 2022 #1 unprotected even. (sure, you ask for top 10 protected) Chychrun + Doughty AND Iafallo + Danault (who would have thought) would take this team to the playoffs this year and anything could happen. (not even talking Kopi having a big year) Iafallo is becoming a monster...may reach 30 goals....Danault is SO GOOD and making this team better each game. Chychrun is a monster and top pairing LHD and what the Kings need. And make the PP much better. Goalies can't stop his shot and also have Arty opposite side? The Kings have won 4 straight and looking decent. Now, add Doughty and Chychrun to that? Arvidsson was looking good and will be back and score 20+ still. Lemieux is adding a much needed dimension and is 5-0 with him. Who knows how much Byfield can contribute? The game he was injured, he was one of the best forwards on the ice that night. Do I expect him to go 15-15-30 this year? Who knows? Arty has 3 goals and not even getting much icetime. The kids are arriving, succeeding and helping the team win. It's beautiful.

If you have to trade a guy like Grans [an unproven propsect] for Chychrun, you do it. Unless they see him as the next Fox or Makar in the making, [like elite level scorer type] why wouldn't you? Guys like that cost you top prospects, we have lots of them.

 

[kingsfan28]

By January 2022

Turcotte Kopitar Arvidsson
Iafallo Danault Kempe
Kaliyev Kupari Vilardi
Lemieux Byfield Moore

Anderson Doughty
Bjornfot Roy
Edler Clague

Quick
Petersen

Turcotte, who has ZERO NHL experience, playing on the top line , by Jan...yeah, ok. And Brown? Give it a few years before you see anything looking like that, that is, once Brown retires.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Muzzin was had for a late 1st, Grundstrom and Durzi.

I did not use the term 'non-elite' . I used A SECOND LEVEL King Prospect is a top prospect to most teams.
I am not talking about a prospect like Alex Laferriere (although he's not bad)
In my mind, I'm drawing a line after Byfield, Turcotte, Kaliyev, Clarke, Kupari, Pinelli, Chromiak and Faber and was pretty much others like Madden, Fagemo, Grans, Spence, Nousiainen
Thomas, Anderson-Dolan, Helenius, Kirsanov, etc. No, I am not wanting to trade any of them and there surely are teams that would want them.

Yes, a team would trade you a good defenseman for Kempe + Grans. And no, I don't want to trade Grans. I should have wrote that out like this, but didn't. A 'good defenseman', for that matter, means to me: a defenseman that can play NHL 3-4 and ideally under 28 yrs old.

I'd trade more for Chychrun and include the 2022 #1 unprotected even. (sure, you ask for top 10 protected) Chychrun + Doughty AND Iafallo + Danault (who would have thought) would take this team to the playoffs this year and anything could happen. (not even talking Kopi having a big year) Iafallo is becoming a monster...may reach 30 goals....Danault is SO GOOD and making this team better each game. Chychrun is a monster and top pairing LHD and what the Kings need. And make the PP much better. Goalies can't stop his shot and also have Arty opposite side? The Kings have won 4 straight and looking decent. Now, add Doughty and Chychrun to that? Arvidsson was looking good and will be back and score 20+ still. Lemieux is adding a much needed dimension and is 5-0 with him. Who knows how much Byfield can contribute? The game he was injured, he was one of the best forwards on the ice that night. Do I expect him to go 15-15-30 this year? Who knows? Arty has 3 goals and not even getting much icetime. The kids are arriving, succeeding and helping the team win. It's beautiful.

Muzzin was also 30 with 1 year left. Go through the bad teams. Who do you want for Kempe and Grans? Who is worth the effort?

And by all means, go all in on Chychrun. That's objectively elite prospect territory though. As far as I know, he hasn't even made a stink about leaving Ari, like Eichel was doing with Buf, and that contract makes him available for any team that wants him. More than enough competition.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Muzzin was also 30 with 1 year left. Go through the bad teams. Who do you want for Kempe and Grans? Who is worth the effort?

And by all means, go all in on Chychrun. That's objectively elite prospect territory though. As far as I know, he hasn't even made a stink about leaving Ari, like Eichel was doing with Buf, and that contract makes him available for any team that wants him. More than enough competition.

I'd give up more for Chychrun for sure...23 years old and already played 5 seasons. 6'2" 215 and physical. Signed for 4.6 million! through 24-25, by memory.

I was on vacation some years ago and returned and my brother (a not so hardcore King fan) told me "the Kings got Mike Richards for Wayne Simmonds" and I was elated and
came to the boards and found out Schenn was dealt too. Maybe my brother did not know who Schenn was. I was pissed for days. I think most people on this board still make that
trade. Was a hefty price to pay....and no one, could have predicted Mike would only play a few more years. I would still not part with Byfield, Clarke or Kaliyev..and really not want to
part with Turcotte, Chromiak, Kupari or Faber.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

If you could get Chychrun without giving up Byfield, Turcotte, Clarke, Kaliyev, it would be a steal. I wouldn't expect that. You'd have to make a trade you'd be mad about.

 

[BigBrown]

So is Chychrun the new Sergachev? As in, the next player that is never gonna be traded that half this board constantly talk about as if he's available in exchange for the current whipping boy on the team and a B-level prospect?

 

[cyclones22]

I'm pretty sure we could get Chychrun for Kempe, Kupari and a 1st and 2nd

 

[bland]

Turcotte, who has ZERO NHL experience, playing on the top line , by Jan...yeah, ok. And Brown? Give it a few years before you see anything looking like that, that is, once Brown retires.

Brown is already slower than the first week of the season, and if you pay attention you see a slide in performance and effort in every period as it goes along. Adrenaline only last so long at that age. He won't hold up over the year and he is barely averaging a half point per game next to one of the top scorers in the league. And that is all he offers, he is too late on the forecheck to be effective, is non existant in his zone, and makes too many brain dead decisions with the puck to play on a lower line that doesn't have a Kopitar to cover for him.

This must be his last season here, any new contract would be based on sentimentality, not performance.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Yeah, us.




Pretty sure Dallas wouldn't.

I am talking about a deep run. Like Avs, Oilers, etc. Teams that are expected to the cup contenders. The Kings may barely make the playoffs, and are just going to look for the youth to get the playoff experience of one round of play. This team doesn't have a chance of going on a deep run.

 

[unicornpig]

cychrun for 2022 first, vilardi and thomas. do it arizona.

 

[kingsfan]

Brown is already slower than the first week of the season, and if you pay attention you see a slide in performance and effort in every period as it goes along. Adrenaline only last so long at that age. He won't hold up over the year and he is barely averaging a half point per game next to one of the top scorers in the league. And that is all he offers, he is too late on the forecheck to be effective, is non existant in his zone, and makes too many brain dead decisions with the puck to play on a lower line that doesn't have a Kopitar to cover for him.

This must be his last season here, any new contract would be based on sentimentality, not performance.

Can someone who delves in the dark arts of analytics/stats analysis/whatever tell us what Brown's WAR etc looks like? It'd be nice to put to bed once and for all whether Brown is at all productive out there or is just a moving corpse.

I am talking about a deep run. Like Avs, Oilers, etc. Teams that are expected to the cup contenders. The Kings may barely make the playoffs, and are just going to look for the youth to get the playoff experience of one round of play. This team doesn't have a chance of going on a deep run.

Again, you earn what you get. We're not trading away vets just so kids can get extra ice in the playoffs. Not to mention you can hate on vets all you want but I'd rather they learn from watching guys from our last cup team prepare for the playoffs. That's how you learn. As well, you never know who will go on a run. Chicago didn't make the playoffs for a while before getting in in 2008-2009, and then they made the 3rd round. Won the cup the next year.

cychrun for 2022 first, vilardi and thomas. do it arizona.

You'd likely need to add a few more 1st round picks into that equation. Rasmus Ristolainen just went for a roster player, a 1st and a 2nd and he's an impending UFA who's older and not as good as Chychrun.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Brown is already slower than the first week of the season, and if you pay attention you see a slide in performance and effort in every period as it goes along. Adrenaline only last so long at that age. He won't hold up over the year and he is barely averaging a half point per game next to one of the top scorers in the league. And that is all he offers, he is too late on the forecheck to be effective, is non existant in his zone, and makes too many brain dead decisions with the puck to play on a lower line that doesn't have a Kopitar to cover for him.

This must be his last season here, any new contract would be based on sentimentality, not performance.

This is 100% accurate. Sadly.

Watch next game and see how Danault, Kempe and Iafallo control play and all 3 can connect passes, all get multiple touches per shift and play as a near seamless unit. Great chemistry between the 3. Then watch Kopitar, Arvidsson, Brown (or whoever is playing for Arvy) and see how they cannot control zone play, make more than 1 pass (most of the time) and rarely have sustained pressure. The reason is not Kopitar or Arvidsson. The reason is Brown. Sure, he may have 3 or 4 good shifts a game, but most shifts, he cannot make plays, see plays, can drive to the net like he used to, gets snuffed out early, coughs up the puck, worse; passes the puck oin the tape of an opponents stick, (If Arty did one of those, he'd be scratched) not quick enough to be in a good place. The EPITOME of being in a good place? Watch Danault. He's a freak at being in a good place every shift....and sometimes in 2 or 3 good places in the same shift. He and Iafallo look like hey are doing the work of 3 players. They are everywhere. It makes it easier for Kempe to have success. If he would just stop with the careless penalties.

No one hates Brown. One of my top 3 fave photos of my younger son, is Dustin signing my son's jersey (like in 2006!) outside then HealthSouth. He's a great guy. But he can no longer play effective, NHL hockey, especially top line. There's no shame in that. He's 37. Most players in the 2003 class are done, or 75% of what they were....I think only Getzlaf is the only one doing well.

 

[kilowatt]

The Kings have a lot of flexibility in the lineup if TM would consider playing Brown less. He averages the second-most ice time among forwards with 18:29 per game. More than Arvidsson, Danault, Iafallo, Kempe, more even than Sean Walker and Alex Edler were getting. Brown can still contribute for LA, but his role just needs to be reduced.

Iafallo - Kopitar - Arvidsson
Kempe - Danault - Kaliyev
Andersson - Kupari - Brown
Lemieux - Lizotte - Moore

This is probably the best lineup we can ice right now.

 

[Little Psycho]

 

[Lt Dan]

I think Pinelli is gonna be our second line center in 3-4 seasons

 

[Mats26]

I think Pinelli is gonna be our second line center in 3-4 seasons

There is about 50 different combinations of possible future centers in the organization right now.

 

[Gjwrams]

There is about 50 different combinations of possible future centers in the organization right now.

that’s a good problem to have

 

[Bandit]

I think Pinelli is gonna be our second line center in 3-4 seasons

Great reason to not trade Vilardi. Just need a third Italian, or at least someone with an Italian sounding name. What's Fernando Pisani up to these days?

 

[Lt Dan]

Great reason to not trade Vilardi. Just need a third Italian, or at least someone with an Italian sounding name. What's Fernando Pisani up to these days?

 

[Lt Dan]

There is about 50 different combinations of possible future centers in the organization right now.

We only need 4 to hit. I like our odds

 

[Peter James Bond II]

I am looking forward to see how the Kings do the next 2 nights - Toronto and then Montreal. I want to see if this 4 game win streak is just some anomaly....I am thinking they go 1-1.
But...if they win both...is this team good? And, I will not say any negative Brown stuff no matter what. I've said my piece and will keep my attitude as peace. I hope he has great games.

GO KINGS!

 

[Ghetty Green]

I think Pinelli is gonna be our second line center in 3-4 seasons

Lol not a f***ing chance

The loonies are out