Speculation: 2021-21 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster discussion part V

[Sol]

Time to give the common folks some truth bombs featuring DJ Khaled keys to success.

1. Fire Todd McLellan (I'm sorry fan boys but your unholy boner for this clown has to subside at some point)
2. Trade Vilardi for a defenseman that doesn't suck since Turcotte seems pretty good and Byfield looks like he's gonna be a pretty great player.
3. Winning games.

Wake up sheeple.

 

[kilowatt]

Time to give the common folks some truth bombs featuring DJ Khaled keys to success.

1. Fire Todd McLellan (I'm sorry fan boys but your unholy boner for this clown has to subside at some point)
2. Trade Vilardi for a defenseman that doesn't suck since Turcotte seems pretty good and Byfield looks like he's gonna be a pretty great player.
3. Winning games.

Wake up sheeple.

name literally one person on this forum who is a mclellan fanboy lmao

as for vilardi, i still think he's got more potential than he's shown

 

[kingsfan]

Time to give the common folks some truth bombs featuring DJ Khaled keys to success.

1. Fire Todd McLellan (I'm sorry fan boys but your unholy boner for this clown has to subside at some point)
2. Trade Vilardi for a defenseman that doesn't suck since Turcotte seems pretty good and Byfield looks like he's gonna be a pretty great player.
3. Winning games.

Wake up sheeple.

Thanks for the wake up call. I was just about to say we should trade for a defenseman who sucks. I am now woke.

 

[Statto]

Time to give the common folks some truth bombs featuring DJ Khaled keys to success.

1. Fire Todd McLellan (I'm sorry fan boys but your unholy boner for this clown has to subside at some point)
2. Trade Vilardi for a defenseman that doesn't suck since Turcotte seems pretty good and Byfield looks like he's gonna be a pretty great player.
3. Winning games.

Wake up sheeple.

The thing with Vilardi is that there is definitely untapped upside and his injury has slowed his progression. He’s still got plenty of time to realise his potential even if his ceiling is slightly lowered. The injury and the fact his development has been slowed means his trade value is going to be significantly affected which means we’d likely have to add to get a solid D piece and then when Vilardi catches up on the development side of things he wil” end up the best player in the trade. There is little chance we get full value for Vilardi.

I’m not interested in the asset management argument for guys like Wagner and Lizotte as they have little to no value so it hurts the organization not one little bit if they get picked up on waivers. However moving Vilardi now would be terrible asset management, because we’d get nothing like true value for him. Once they get him into a spot that works for him and have him playing fairly consistently then I’d be opening to moving him. I love his potential and the injury has made me root for the kid but the log jam up front means something will have to give. However moving him now would be foolish IMO.

 

[Sol]

name literally one person on this forum who is a mclellan fanboy lmao

as for vilardi, i still think he's got more potential than he's shown

The fanclub consists of the same dudes who constantly say "HE NEEDS MORE TIME" But in a billion variations.

 

[FSL KINGS]

We're only 3 games in. Might not be time to panic yet. Todd may have The Wright Stuff after all.

Looking at the D & trying to figure out what Blake is going to do is a little difficult. Don't see any Chychrun type players becoming available. Morgan Reilly may make UFA, but will cost around 8. Could take a chance on an Erik Brannstrom type or are we waiting Clarke, Helge, Faber to make the NHL?

 

[KingsFan7824]

The thing with Vilardi is that there is definitely untapped upside and his injury has slowed his progression. He’s still got plenty of time to realise his potential even if his ceiling is slightly lowered. The injury and the fact his development has been slowed means his trade value is going to be significantly affected which means we’d likely have to add to get a solid D piece and then when Vilardi catches up on the development side of things he wil” end up the best player in the trade. There is little chance we get full value for Vilardi.

I’m not interested in the asset management argument for guys like Wagner and Lizotte as they have little to no value so it hurts the organization not one little bit if they get picked up on waivers. However moving Vilardi now would be terrible asset management, because we’d get nothing like true value for him. Once they get him into a spot that works for him and have him playing fairly consistently then I’d be opening to moving him. I love his potential and the injury has made me root for the kid but the log jam up front means something will have to give. However moving him now would be foolish IMO.

Or, you move him while that perceived potential still exists, even if you have to add something else to get a legit player in return. With the additions of Danault and Arvidsson, they're thinking about doing something today, not just in 3 years.

The Kings should still have time on their side, but all of a sudden Vilardi needs a new contract this summer. If he doesn't get going, he might be fairly cheap like Kempe was at the same age, but now after a few more years, Kempe hasn't taken another step, and whatever potential he had is decreasing by the game, to the point where he might be, or now is, just another guy that happens to get paid a lot to play hockey, but isn't any sort of real difference maker.

It's back to the classic question; do you trade a guy a year too early, or a year too late? At this point, Kempe himself might be the + in any deal. Vilardi might not be all that far from being in the same boat.

 

[DoktorJeep]

A package of Walker, Kempe and Vilardi for Kilngberg and Gurianov is a trade which could help both teams. Dallas is up against the cap and there is some noise about Klingberg being hard to sign to an extension at a price Dallas can live with. Gurianov replaces Kempe as a speedster and brings more of a finishing touch.

 

[Legionnaire]

Arvidsson and Danault were not brought in to win now. They were brought in as support players to take the pressure off and give guys like Villardi time to learn and develop - not to trade them.

 

[Yog S'loth]

My entire career as a Kings fan, which dates back to 1993, there have been three coaches I gave a crap about: Barry Melrose, Andy Murray, and Darryl Sutter.

All the rest have just been a big bunch of schmoes.

Current guy is just Generic Schmo #1138 as far as I'm concerned. Fire him, don't fire him, who cares, ya chuck one schmo and just go get another schmo, it's all the same.

 

[Lt Dan]

My entire career as a Kings fan, which dates back to 1993, there have been three coaches I gave a crap about: Barry Melrose, Andy Murray, and Darryl Sutter.

All the rest have just been a big bunch of schmoes.

Current guy is just Generic Schmo #1138 as far as I'm concerned. Fire him, don't fire him, who cares, ya chuck one schmo and just go get another schmo, it's all the same.

He is bowl haircut schmoe to me

 

[tkb81]

I believe most of us are just repeating what blakey has said ... todd has a long leash ... the fans are not asking for more time ... haha if anything most of us wouldn't have even hired the guy .. haha

 

[bland]

Arvidsson and Danault were not brought in to win now. They were brought in as support players to take the pressure off and give guys like Villardi time to learn and develop - not to trade them.

The biggest fear here should be that the Kings are mediocre and Blake moves a blue chipper to help this year's team. Don't think he would do that... but could he be pressured into it from elsewhere within the organization?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I LIKE TM from the standpoint of he's a well-spoken guy who seems to 'get' new-age coaching, but that doesn't mean he's good at it. I was definitely rooting for him but year-over-year regression put him on the hot seat for me and if they're looking this decrepit over the next few games then my 20 game leash shortens even further.

He said all the right things in the offseason but the lifeless 1-3-1 DEFINITELY showed back up.

 

[Bandit]

The fanclub consists of the same dudes who constantly say "HE NEEDS MORE TIME" But in a billion variations.

I think you may be confusing "fanclub" with people who realize that Blake has no plans to fire him and there's nothing we can do about it. I never would have hired the assclown in the first place, but unfortunately nobody asked me.

 

[KingLB]

My entire career as a Kings fan, which dates back to 1993, there have been three coaches I gave a crap about: Barry Melrose, Andy Murray, and Darryl Sutter.

All the rest have just been a big bunch of schmoes.

Current guy is just Generic Schmo #1138 as far as I'm concerned. Fire him, don't fire him, who cares, ya chuck one schmo and just go get another schmo, it's all the same.

I feel like almost every NHL coach is just Joe Schmo. Like are there really any standout coaches like there are in football? Or is the position one where having a good coach maybe nets you and extra pont or two throughout the year? And having a “bad” coach loses you a point or 2?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I feel like almost every NHL coach is just Joe Schmo. Like are there really any standout coaches like there are in football? Or is the position one where having a good coach maybe nets you and extra pont or two throughout the year? And having a “bad” coach loses you a point or 2?

I don't think they can in the same way really. Drawing plays and schemes is far far different there. Hockey is mostly personnel based but systems and adjustments are key. I think the truly best coaches have a pulse on growth and motivation just as they do on adjustments but there's a reason most of these guys have a shelf life. I kind of agree there's mostly just a 'pack' of best coaches in the world, which could be why the old boys club keeps going back to the well instead of taking chances on newbies.

It's what I DO like about TM, he seems to be good at relationships. The rest...I'm not really feeling. I want to know where the up-tempo systems he's employed are, and what the identity here is.

 

[Statto]

Or, you move him while that perceived potential still exists, even if you have to add something else to get a legit player in return. With the additions of Danault and Arvidsson, they're thinking about doing something today, not just in 3 years.

The Kings should still have time on their side, but all of a sudden Vilardi needs a new contract this summer. If he doesn't get going, he might be fairly cheap like Kempe was at the same age, but now after a few more years, Kempe hasn't taken another step, and whatever potential he had is decreasing by the game, to the point where he might be, or now is, just another guy that happens to get paid a lot to play hockey, but isn't any sort of real difference maker.

It's back to the classic question; do you trade a guy a year too early, or a year too late? At this point, Kempe himself might be the + in any deal. Vilardi might not be all that far from being in the same boat.

That’s the dilemma and I tend to agree, I just think his back means we won’t even get value for the player he is now, let alone his potential.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Arvidsson and Danault were not brought in to win now. They were brought in as support players to take the pressure off and give guys like Villardi time to learn and develop - not to trade them.

You don't have to invest $8.25m this year, and potentially $45.75m over the course of time, to take pressure off of younger guys you expect to produce at some point.

They weren't brought in to make the Kings one of the 4 or 5 true Cup contenders this year, but you're not investing that money, on top of what's going to the Kopitar era guys still here, to bring in babysitters. If you need place holders, you can get them cheaper, and who are equally good to learn from.

Edler, he's a place holder. The other two, they're here to help get this roster going again. You learn in the AHL. If Vilardi is here, he has to produce, now. To help make Kopitar's start matter. Petersen, contractually, is now the guy. He has to get it done, now.

There can only be raised expectations this year. Time to find out which young guys are staying. Vilardi is at the top of that list because he's one of the older ones. Time to do something. The "but his injury" is getting further and further away. If it's going to always be an issue though, and the reason he gets 14g and 38pts, then bring in the next guy.

 

[Sol]

I think you may be confusing "fanclub" with people who realize that Blake has no plans to fire him and there's nothing we can do about it. I never would have hired the assclown in the first place, but unfortunately nobody asked me.

I'm talking about the DAMN FANCLUB.

 

[Sol]

Arvidsson and Danault were not brought in to win now. They were brought in as support players to take the pressure off and give guys like Villardi time to learn and develop - not to trade them.

Cool story, help them develop with barely any ice time, while having a weaker defensive core and pipeline. While the Kings have the likes of Danault for the next five years, have Byfield making the team, and Turcotte coming in.


Kings defense is hot garbage. Vilardi has good value, position of strength to bolster a position of weakness.


Let's get it done.

VILARDI + Kempe should get something good

 

[johnjm22]

You don't have to invest $8.25m this year, and potentially $45.75m over the course of time, to take pressure off of younger guys you expect to produce at some point.

They weren't brought in to make the Kings one of the 4 or 5 true Cup contenders this year, but you're not investing that money, on top of what's going to the Kopitar era guys still here, to bring in babysitters. If you need place holders, you can get them cheaper, and who are equally good to learn from.

Edler, he's a place holder. The other two, they're here to help get this roster going again. You learn in the AHL. If Vilardi is here, he has to produce, now. To help make Kopitar's start matter. Petersen, contractually, is now the guy. He has to get it done, now.

There can only be raised expectations this year. Time to find out which young guys are staying. Vilardi is at the top of that list because he's one of the older ones. Time to do something. The "but his injury" is getting further and further away. If it's going to always be an issue though, and the reason he gets 14g and 38pts, then bring in the next guy.

I agree.

Last year, the Kings payroll was near the bottom of the league.

To my surprise, the Kings went out this off season and spent money. Now they're near the cap. It's hard for me to imagine a team spending nearly up to the cap and not expecting to see significant improvement or competing for the playoffs.

 

[kingsfan]

My entire career as a Kings fan, which dates back to 1993, there have been three coaches I gave a crap about: Barry Melrose, Andy Murray, and Darryl Sutter.

All the rest have just been a big bunch of schmoes.

Current guy is just Generic Schmo #1138 as far as I'm concerned. Fire him, don't fire him, who cares, ya chuck one schmo and just go get another schmo, it's all the same.

Well you go tone of three right I guess. Melrose was an idiot who got lucky riding an older core that got hot at the right time to a finals. He's since rode that magic/lucky 25 game stretch to 30 years as some sort of hockey guru to the American masses. Murray I'll side with you on because I was a huge defender of him as well at the time, but when he started telling injured guys to stay away because somehow they'd be a distraction, and then stuck to his guns on it after being rightfully questioned about it, he showed he's not NHL level material.

Sutter, he was the right guy at the right time to properly use the core we had and add smart pieces around it (King and Nolan). He ultimately stayed to long by a year at least, but I have strong doubts we win either cup without him.

As for TM, I'm a fan and I guess I'm the fan club president. I like the guy and I think he can get the job done, but I get the disapproval from others too. This is a show it year for him more than anyone given he's got a pretty veteran squad here and management invested a lot of cap space into three decent players this off-season. Some of the excuses of the past are gone here, he needs to put us in the playoffs I think.

 

[Sol]

Speaking of Terry Murray. We bagged on him but he instilled a system in the Kings and direction.

Todd is a f***ing clown for a few years here and there's some people with Stockholm syndrome in here who wants to give him more time.

It's really mind blowing.

 

[Lt Dan]

I agree.

Last year, the Kings payroll was near the bottom of the league.

To my surprise, the Kings went out this off season and spent money. Now they're near the cap. It's hard for me to imagine a team spending nearly up to the cap and not expecting to see significant improvement or competing for the playoffs.

Indeed but to be fair, look at the all dead money and waste

Dead Money
Carter 2,636,363
Phaneuf 1,062,500
Richards 900,000

Waste
Maata- 3,333,225

That's almost 8 mil
I should probably count AA in there too which brings it to 10.6 mil

Quick and Brown are also not (currently) earning their contracts.

This year still needs to be a big step forward and other than the first game it has been business as usual