2021-2022 S Blues Multi Purpose Thread Part 2

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joe galiba

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Am I a drunk hick because i have Country Roads (and other john denver songs) in my Apple music?
or "Drink in my Hand" by Eric church?

or am I just a drugged out doper since I listen to Black Sabbath and LZ ?

maybe I am just a big dork because I have "Also Sprach Zarathustra" and Beethoven's 5th in my playlists?

it just seems weird to me that, if other people around them are enjoying something they don't, someone goes to IT MUST STOP
 

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Am I a drunk hick because i have Country Roads (and other john denver songs) in my Apple music?
or "Drink in my Hand" by Eric church?

or am I just a drugged out doper since I listen to Black Sabbath and LZ ?

maybe I am just a big dork because I have "Also Sprach Zarathustra" and Beethoven's 5th in my playlists?

it just seems weird to me that, if other people around them are enjoying something they don't, someone goes to IT MUST STOP
The last movement of Beethoven's 5th is something that I listen to at the gym. Nothing is more triumphant or more motivating.

As far as I'm concerned, if you don't like John Denver, you're a jackass. :)
 
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Now it’s Four Goal Ville Turek.
Hearing that name makes me cringe and want to vomit.
What a disappointment he was
Turek was actually the second Blues goalie in 30 years to win two rounds. Turek actually swept the Dallas Stars after revenging the Sharks. Ville is a lesser Turek.
 

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Turek was actually the second Blues goalie in 30 years to win two rounds. Turek actually swept the Dallas Stars after revenging the Sharks. Ville is a lesser Turek.
Husso has never lost an elimination game for the Blues yet. He hasn't played great, but he deserves the chance to make his own legacy before labeling him like that. Maybe we'll see his best stuff when it counts the most? And if we don't, hopefully we get enough for the team to squeeze out the win. I'd love to see signs of Kuemper fighting it mentally, like giving up a goal on the first shot tonight or something.
 
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Husso's story here is still being written.

I don't know how you could watch game 5 and come to the conclusion that he played poorly. He didn't play as well as Binner was playing before the injury, but he was good. His toe save on the shorthanded 2-1 to keep it a 1-0 game in the 1st was massive. His two stops in the closing seconds of the 1st period were game savers. He made a nice toe stop on a high-to-low deflection AND made a strong lateral push to stop the rebound. The game is over if they make it 3-0 with 15 seconds left in the 1st. He made a fantastic blocker stop on Byrum after a lateral pass saw Byrum walk right down the slot and rip a high shot from the has marks. That would have made it 4-1 with 11 minutes left. Again, that's a game saver.

As for the goals against, I don't get the criticism.

Goal #1 was a deflection off an attempted shot block that caused the puck to go back against the grain as he is moving the other direction to follow Mac's skating. It's a stoppable shot, but it isn't a bad goal. Stop it more often than not, but you're fine if that is the low point of the game. Which it was.

Goal #2 was a hard drive to the net that Husso stopped. But the rebound goes off his D man's chest and directly into the far side of the net. There isn't a remotely reasonable argument to put that on the goalie.

Goal #3 was a high-to-low deflection that also changed the lateral trajectory of the puck to go further far side. That's not getting stopped at any level.

Goal #4 was a goal-of-the-playoffs candidate that was an insane individual effort by Mac. he was giving every indication that he was going to drive the net and push the puck from his backhand to his forehand toward the far side of the net. Instead, he let the puck sit between his feet and then forehanded the puck from inside his skates short side. Husso's only opportunity to be square to the puck and cover the short side would have been an aggressive push to the post that would have left him wildly out of position if Mac cut back to the middle (which looked to be his clear intention). This board would have lost its mind at Husso if he exploded to the short side and then Mac just pushed the puck to his forehand and buried it into an empty net far side. He forced Mac to make an all-world play there and Mac did so. Putting this on the goalie is insane.

He allowed 1 arguably-soft goal and made 3 enormous stops to keep us within striking distance. It wasn't a perfect game, but it was absolutely a good outing. We can win this series with 2 more outings like that. I'm not enormously confident that he will provide that, but lumping game 5 in with his play over his previous 4 starts isn't fair or accurate.
 
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I just don't have a lot of confidence in him. Husso was sliding the wrong direction on that shot in OT. That would have been an ugly series-ender. What the Blues need is two games where he allows a max of two goals for whatever reasons. Can he do that? Is that a crazy ask of a goalie? 2 goals on like 30 shots?
 

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I just don't have a lot of confidence in him. Husso was sliding the wrong direction on that shot in OT. That would have been an ugly series-ender. What the Blues need is two games where he allows a max of two goals for whatever reasons. Can he do that? Is that a crazy ask of a goalie? 2 goals on like 30 shots?
I see him as a guy that lost some confidence when he got pulled vs Minnesota. He came into a tough situation with Binnington's injury, and had a bad outcome. Game 4 was a mess. It wasn't a great performance by Husso, but it wasnt' a good performance by the team either.

When I saw him smiling after Game 5 and getting fist bumps with his teammates, I got a feeling we may see confident Husso again. If he plays well enough for the Blues to win, and its a comfortable win, I think Game 7 sets up to be a lot of pressure on Colorado. That's the series ending I want to see. I wouldn't bet my house on the Blues winning this series, but it sure would be a satisfying series win. But honestly I'm just glad they didn't go down without a fight.

I find myself wondering what Colorado would have done if they'd lost their starting goalie in Game 3. I think they'd have caved in.
 
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Husso was sliding the wrong direction on that shot in OT.
This is just incorrect.

It was a shot from the point and he went down into a butterfly to absorb the puck in his chest. He did not slide in either direction. The puck was going to hit him in or near his chest until Bortuzzo deflected it with his stick. This deflection changed the direction of the puck toward Bortz's hip and away from Husso. I don't think he tracked the puck all that well on the shot and I'd have liked to see him butterfly push a couple inches toward the center of his net there instead of straight down. But he absolutely wasn't sliding the wrong direction and that puck wasn't going to go around him had Bortz not deflected it. He also had a good, quick lateral push to get square to the puck as it sat under/around Bortz.



I get why you're not confident in him right now. I'm not super confident that he's going to give 2 more strong performances. But I think your lack of confidence is clouding your ability to fairly analyze his play in the moment.
 
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Husso has never lost an elimination game for the Blues yet. He hasn't played great, but he deserves the chance to make his own legacy before labeling him like that. Maybe we'll see his best stuff when it counts the most? And if we don't, hopefully we get enough for the team to squeeze out the win. I'd love to see signs of Kuemper fighting it mentally, like giving up a goal on the first shot tonight or something.

He tried his best to lose it.
 

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This is just incorrect.

It was a shot from the point and he went down into a butterfly to absorb the puck in his chest. He did not slide in either direction. The puck was going to hit him in or near his chest until Bortuzzo deflected it with his stick. This deflection changed the direction of the puck toward Bortz's hip and away from Husso. I don't think he tracked the puck all that well on the shot and I'd have liked to see him butterfly push a couple inches toward the center of his net there instead of straight down. But he absolutely wasn't sliding the wrong direction and that puck wasn't going to go around him had Bortz not deflected it. He also had a good, quick lateral push to get square to the puck as it sat under/around Bortz.



I get why you're not confident in him right now. I'm not super confident that he's going to give 2 more strong performances. But I think your lack of confidence is clouding your ability to fairly analyze his play in the moment.

All fair. Thanks for changing my mind on that OT chance I didn't see it hit the stick.
 

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Good season Blues. 2d best in the division in a 6 game loss in the division final is about right based on what both teams accomplished this year. They need a fast, smooth skating defenseman with size for the left side. They need another Toropchenko or two for the bottom six
 

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Despite the result, I definitely underestimated our chances this year. We played the Avs well and might have won if both teams had stayed at full strength.

Some things learned:
We need to whatever we can to keep Ott. Holy shit is he miles better than I thought he would be. When we used to play vs a great power play team, they could make 2 minutes seem like it would last forever. That's how it felt on basically every Blues PP this season. Our setup of sending 2 to attack the puck and Krug/Perunovich/faulk holding the puck in was insanely effective.

Berube is a great coach who can make in series adjustments as needed.

Binnington will be fine.

ROR and Perron have gas left in the tank.

Things that need to improve:

Thomas and Kyrou need to be better at driving the offense from the half wall to the goal line. When Minnesota and Colorado took away most of their rush looks, they weren't nearly as effective.

We need a 1D. Faulk is top pair quality, but another minute muncher who can fetch the puck down low, make space, and push the play forward is necessary. Parayko is not that guy.
 

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One of the best Blues teams ever assembled. Will always wonder what if after the way this postseason and series went. Next year's team should be good but I'm not sure if Armstrong can assemble a team that was as deep as this one.

Glad that we have Armstrong calling the shots this offseason.
 

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Some things learned:
We need to whatever we can to keep Ott. Holy shit is he miles better than I thought he would be. When we used to play vs a great power play team, they could make 2 minutes seem like it would last forever. That's how it felt on basically every Blues PP this season. Our setup of sending 2 to attack the puck and Krug/Perunovich/faulk holding the puck in was insanely effective.
I could be wrong here, but I am under the impression Jim Montgomery is a big influence on the PP. Our PP reminds me A LOT of the Stars PP when JM was their head coach. We had Savard before him. Im not trying to say Ott doesn't have a role because it seems he is the one drawing up plays, but its no coincidence the similarities between the Stars from a few years ago and what we have now.
 
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Thallis

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I could be wrong here, but I am under the impression Jim Montgomery is a big influence on the PP. Our PP reminds me A LOT of the Stars PP when JM was their head coach. We had Savard before him. Im not trying to say Ott doesn't have a role because it seems he is the one drawing up plays, but its no coincidence the similarities between the Stars from a few years ago and what we have now.
I originally thought it was Montgomery as well, but iirc Panger said during the series that Ott runs the power play for us. Could be wrong.
 

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Anyone else with buyer's remorse on Saad? I thought he had a pretty decent year but turned into an absolute ghost during the postseason.

Watching him on the forecheck in the Avs series and last night in particular, I've never seen weaker play with the puck in the corners and behind the net. I don't think its any coincidence that Perron and O'Reilly line had zero offensive zone time when Saad was put back on that line.
 
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