2021-2022 S Blues Multi Purpose Thread Part 2

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oPlaiD

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I wish the Blues would hit more :(

I'm really, really hoping we purposely took it easy on the physical play during the regular season so we didn't get too worn down and we plan on ramping up the physicality big time in the playoffs. We absolutely have the tools to beat down on speedy/small teams and it seems that throughout the regular season we've passed up the opportunity to do so.

Kyrou is the only regular roster player that concerns me if a series gets physical/tight checking. Pretty much every other player is big/physical or they've proven they have the skill/feistiness to get through a tough series (Krug, Thomas, O'Reilly, Walker, Saad). Not many teams in the West can ice a highly skilled team that is big and can also play physical. Calgary? Maybe Colorado? Vegas who is probably going to miss the playoffs? The list is short.

Nearly all of Minnesota's star players are relatively little guys. Here are their top 3 forwards and their top defenseman:

Fiala - 5'10"
Kaprizov - 5'10"
Zuccarello - 5'8"
Spurgeon - 5'9"

None of these guys are big, and the most physical player here is actually Kaprizov.

I think the size difference is a big reason we've dominated them in recent years. We have several guys that are in our top 9/top 4 that are big and/or physical. Parayko, Faulk, Buchnevich, Schenn, Barbashev, Perron, Tarasenko...all these guys are key players and they can all play a heavy style if needed. If we play a physical game against Minnesota, they're in trouble.
Hitting guys doesn't put you in position to speed up and down the ice, which is more our style right now.

We're still one of the bigger teams, which should be beneficial even if we aren't focused on hitting since in theory we should be able to absorb physicality better than most.

Changing the formula that's given us the most success isn't a good idea going into the playoffs, but it is true we don't know for sure how things might look different there yet.

Anyway Dom had a great article on the Athletic about this one week ago: "Examining the ‘heavy hockey’ trend and whether it’s the only path to a Stanley Cup"

It includes an interesting chart that shows the Blues this year are the heaviest team in the playoffs, but also one of the least physical. The "Heavy" number is just based off weight and "physicality" is a combination of how often the players hit their opponents and get hit by their opponents, using only road games to prevent scorer bias.

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Apparently every conference finalist since 2018 was in the top right quadrant or just outside of it, so in recent years size and physicality have been important. Going back to 2010, though, there are a lot more teams with that success in the other quadrants.

Numbers also show that while every player performs worse than their regular season level in the playoffs thanks to the stronger competition, the bottom 5 percentile players in size and physicality have performed at a level significantly lower than that. The obvious poster childs for that are Gaudreau and Marner, but of relevance to the Blues upcoming series, Spurgeon and Zuccarello were also singled out as guys who have been in that bucket.
 
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Apparently every conference finalist since 2018 was in the top right quadrant or just outside of it, so in recent years size and physicality have been important. Going back to 2010, though, there are a lot more teams with that success in the other quadrants.
I think a big reason for this is because the a lot of teams are moving towards a quicker and less physical playstyle. More and more teams are being built with speed, and size doesn't seem as important to GMs anymore due to less hitting overall.
 

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Why did Minnesota add two tough guys at the deadline - Deslauriers and Middleton?

Fighting is rare in the playoffs. Does Minny intend to reverse the trend and goon it up?
 

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Why did Minnesota add two tough guys at the deadline - Deslauriers and Middleton?

Fighting is rare in the playoffs. Does Minny intend to reverse the trend and goon it up?

I turned on the Minnesota broadcast last night and apparently it's because Minnesota's play is based around GRIT and not SKILL. Tell that to Kaprizov...
 

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There is hype for Greenway, Erikson-Ek and Foligno as the GREEF line which nobody can ever score against (they were scored on last night) so if the Blues put in goals against them it's a good sign to dominate another team's strength. Boldy is their X-factor. Johnny Gaudreau flubbed a three inch tap in to win the game in regulation but the Wild clawed out their 16th specialty win.

Blues can match the 2019 Lightning for regulation wins tonight (44). Tampa had 18 specialty wins
 

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Why did Minnesota add two tough guys at the deadline - Deslauriers and Middleton?

Fighting is rare in the playoffs. Does Minny intend to reverse the trend and goon it up?
Middleton is actually a solid defenseman so I understand adding him, but I really don’t get why they added Deslauriers.
 

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I heard Rick Zombo interviewed this morning. For the younger fans, Zombo was a Blues defenseman for a couple of years.

He was asked for his thoughts about the Blues defense in game 1 vs Minnesota. He specifically mentioned Parayko. He said that for a big guy, Parayko didn't make life difficult for the Minny forwards.

My own thought is that Mikkola played a physical game. He was active in the scrums but didn't take a bad penalty that I recall.
 
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Ducks hired DiMao as AGM. He had been our director player personnel, I believe.
If he's coming out of the Blues' organizational tree, then ANA did well.

I like what Stevie Y has done in a leadership position and Sakic as well with the Avs.

But also Pat Verbeek seems to be doing a good job. Looking forward to a competitive Ducks org.
 

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If he's coming out of the Blues' organizational tree, then ANA did well.

I like what Stevie Y has done in a leadership position and Sakic as well with the Avs.

But also Pat Verbeek seems to be doing a good job. Looking forward to a competitive Ducks org.

Ducks are gonna be scary

Gibson is secerely underrated.

Zegras, Terry and Drysdale are already beasts, if Comtois bounces back as well...

Most importantly, IMO, Mason Mactavish is the best drafted forward prospect out there right now.
 

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Can't really defend this since there are so many differentiators and it's easy to pick apart, but I simply can't shake the feeling energetically that this season reminds me of 97-98. A self-confident Blues team that knows it is very good that could win the Cup but with a looming monster in Round 2.
 
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I turned on the Minnesota broadcast last night and apparently it's because Minnesota's play is based around GRIT and not SKILL. Tell that to Kaprizov...
A player can be gritty (like Barbashev) and not be a fighter. It seems to me that Minny got two fighters.
 

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Can't really defend this since there are so many differentiators and it's easy to pick apart, but I simply can't shake the feeling energetically that this season reminds me of 97-98. A self-confident Blues team that knows it is very good that could win the Cup but with a looming monster in Round 2.
I get it. I think this team is better than some of those late 90s/early 00s teams, but it's similar in the sense that the Wings/Avs/Stars were a tier above, and we'd always just run into them in the next round.
 

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I get it. I think this team is better than some of those late 90s/early 00s teams, but it's similar in the sense that the Wings/Avs/Stars were a tier above, and we'd always just run into them in the next round.
One difference is we knew going into 1998 that it was Hull's last year so there was a sense of "last best shot" which turned out not to be true. Both this year and that year had 43 regulation wins in 82 games for similar potency. Obviously that team had two elite #1 defensemen on it and this team has Faulk who has been good but obviously not Pronger/MacInnis good.
 

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Outside of the Original Six, the St. Louis Blues have the most playoff appearances in NHL history at 45. Next best is Philly at 40.
We have a long, distinguished history of not being bad enough to draft top talent but not being good enough to challenge for a championship. We're the "pretty, pretty good" of the NHL.
 

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We have a long, distinguished history of not being bad enough to draft top talent but not being good enough to challenge for a championship. We're the "pretty, pretty good" of the NHL.
So what you're saying we're due to draft our version of Albert Pujols...
 
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I have attended a couple of hundred Blues games. The crowd noise and interaction has been a fun part of it.

But I now think I have seen my last game in person. Whoever runs the show seems to think that fans demand entertainment constantly, and the entertainment needs to be very loud. Last nights entertainment included a live band I would never have listened to voluntarily. They also had a couple of "light shows" involving fans cell phone, and a chorus of John Denver's song about West Virginia. I could go on but I will spare you, dear reader.

I just want to see a hockey game. The stuff they add is not entertaining.
 

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I have attended a couple of hundred Blues games. The crowd noise and interaction has been a fun part of it.

But I now think I have seen my last game in person. Whoever runs the show seems to think that fans demand entertainment constantly, and the entertainment needs to be very loud. Last nights entertainment included a live band I would never have listened to voluntarily. They also had a couple of "light shows" involving fans cell phone, and a chorus of John Denver's song about West Virginia. I could go on but I will spare you, dear reader.

I just want to see a hockey game. The stuff they add is not entertaining.
It wouldn't stop me from attending, but I loathe our fans singing Country Roads. It makes no sense. It's about West Virginia and we are a Missouri team. Its not even that much of a cheer. I get it, "Take me home" as in let's finish this game. But we sing it even when we are getting our ass kicked. It's meaningless. Its embarrassing to hear national announcers this playoffs like "Why they singing about West Virginia?". I wish we moved on from this tradition after the cup like we did with Gloria. That was a much better tradition with a oool player focused origin. This is a bunch of drunk hicks singing a folk song.
 
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