liked his aggressiveness and chippiness in the first half of the game tho. didnt catch the 2nd half.
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JimmyG89
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Zegras or Newhook would have been sick, but we've got no shot at them now. Hopefully we're in a spot to get that kind of center this draft
Key had a hell of a game. Two point blank blocked shots, went up against the top Russian unit. Played both sides on the PK.
Completely neutralized his assignment. Lots of forced wide outs with good stick work. Physical along the boards, and got the puck out of trouble.
Most importantly, in the 3rd, he was played to the score, and completely killed any offense from the Russian side. No panic, did his job to a tee, got off the ice, got back on and did ot again.
If he plays like that, I'm ready throw him on the top unit next to Trouba.
Owned the ice when he was out there and looked like he took pride in his job.
That was a winning effort. He did what it took to get the W, and did ot without second guessing himself.
That's what you want to see out there.
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No they should fire Gordie Clarke for drafting K’Andre, or so i was told
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Fire Gordie-people in a nutshell:
1. Complain about a player not being McDavid/Kucherov/Hedman level
2. Look up whoever drafted later turned out to be a star
3. Complain we should have drafted that player
4. Say Gordie Clark sucks
Meet Sweden's Terror Twins (and the Rangers pick who helps guide them) - TheHockeyNews
Henriksson on the other hand is well-versed down the middle and that’s a great advantage for the Swedes.
“It’s incredible to play with Karl, he’s such a smart center,” Holtz said. “Great hockey sense, great skater and he can shoot the puck also, so it’s fantastic to play with him.”
And the adulation goes both ways.
“They are incredibly skilled, it’s easy to play with them,” Henriksson said. “They think hockey very well but they’re not the same players: Holtz is more of a sniper and Lucas is more of a playmaker so it’s really good."
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I don't think this is fair. I'm not a "Fire Gordie Guy", but I think there are some very legitimate criticisms of him to be made. I mean there are "Gordie's Great Guys" who often point to a bunch of prospects that haven't yet established themselves as impact NHL players and they're often touted as reasons why Gordie is doing a great job. So it cuts both ways. There are so many diverse opinions, I don't think it's fair to try to generalize the "sides" in the argument. I think Gordie has done okay, but we've had some major, notable misses under him as well. I can see both sides.
EDIT: There are definitely a few people who take the approach you describe. But I think most people are able to make logical, well-reasoned arguments as to why they don't think Gordie is a good fit, at this point.
I do think we need to make some changes, but I'm not sure we're ready to. I know some people really love Bobrov, but I'm hardly sold on him being the answer.
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IMO this is an absolutely normal situation. Each team has some good choices and some bad choices. The worst bad first round choice in the last ten years was McIlrath...
I think it's a matter of since he's been here, our really good choices have been Stepan, Kreider, and Miller. There are other potential "really good" choices out there, like Chytil, Shesterkin, K'Andre Miller, Lundkvist, etc., but we still don't know how they'll work out. The fact that in his tenure, we haven't drafted and developed an elite-level talent (and no, I'm not talking McDavid or Kucherov or Hedman-level
) is somewhat troubling. And you can't just write if off as due to having a dearth of first round picks, as we've whiffed on McIlrath, probably on Andersson, with the jury out on Kravtsov. There are a ton of top players taken outside the top-half of the draft that are elite performers--Pastrnak, Marchand, Carlson, DeBrincat, Guentzel (debatable), Stone, Gaudreau, Kucherov who I can't mention, Boeser, Teravainen, Aho, Point, and on and on. Why haven't we hit a grand slam like any of those guys? It's funny, because the closest we've probably come under Gorton to grabbing a guy that ends up posting elite numbers is JT Miller, who we trade. 
Again, this isn't a "hindsight bias" thing with me. It's just odd that with the league possessing a real wealth of high-end talent, we've really only been able to get any through trades and signings. We haven't been able to snag that guy with our mid/late-first that really explodes, and we haven't grabbed that overlooked guy in the third or fourth that ends up being a star. Some of it is luck, but after 10+ years (and a horrible pick like McIlarth) you start to wonder if the guy has a keen enough eye to spot those players, if his staff sucks, or if it's a combination of both.
The last two drafts could be huge, as there are a lot of guys I really like. And we have some guys out there still that could turn into strong players. But the whole history of Gordie Clark drafts, it seems like we're fine at drafting and developing middle-six guys and second-pair defenders, but we can't really identify the highest of the high-end guys.
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In addition Zuccarello was an UDFA and McDonagh, DeAngelo and Fox were drafted by other organizations.I think it's a matter of since he's been here, our really good choices have been Stepan, Kreider, and Miller. There are other potential "really good" choices out there, like Chytil, Shesterkin, K'Andre Miller, Lundkvist, etc., but we still don't know how they'll work out. The fact that in his tenure, we haven't drafted and developed an elite-level talent (and no, I'm not talking McDavid or Kucherov or Hedman-level
Again, this isn't a "hindsight bias" thing with me. It's just odd that with the league possessing a real wealth of high-end talent, we've really only been able to get any through trades and signings. We haven't been able to snag that guy with our mid/late-first that really explodes, and we haven't grabbed that overlooked guy in the third or fourth that ends up being a star. Some of it is luck, but after 10+ years (and a horrible pick like McIlarth) you start to wonder if the guy has a keen enough eye to spot those players, if his staff sucks, or if it's a combination of both.
The last two drafts could be huge, as there are a lot of guys I really like. And we have some guys out there still that could turn into strong players. But the whole history of Gordie Clark drafts, it seems like we're fine at drafting and developing middle-six guys and second-pair defenders, but we can't really identify the highest of the high-end guys.
Though I'd say Stepan is probably the best draft pick during the Clark era, both due to being a lower pick than Miller and arguably being a better player at his peak.
Yeah, I'll buy Stepan being the best pick. And that's kind of the problem--feels like in ten-plus years, we should have lucked our way into someone better, if nothing else. But I digress, as this is not the right thread for this.
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Just box score surfing, Lundkvist has a secondary assist on the PP so far. Fagemo has 5 goals so far in the tourney. Amazing how he went from undrafted in his 1st year of eligibility into a 2nd rounder and now dominating the WJC. Robertson was a very nice pick for us, but Fagemo would have been ideal.
I actually wanted Hoglander really bad.
Any trade that we may pull off with Vancouver should start and end with him.
Any trade that we may pull off with Vancouver should start and end with him.
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Best post that I've seen on the subject so far.I think it's a matter of since he's been here, our really good choices have been Stepan, Kreider, and Miller. There are other potential "really good" choices out there, like Chytil, Shesterkin, K'Andre Miller, Lundkvist, etc., but we still don't know how they'll work out. The fact that in his tenure, we haven't drafted and developed an elite-level talent (and no, I'm not talking McDavid or Kucherov or Hedman-level
Again, this isn't a "hindsight bias" thing with me. It's just odd that with the league possessing a real wealth of high-end talent, we've really only been able to get any through trades and signings. We haven't been able to snag that guy with our mid/late-first that really explodes, and we haven't grabbed that overlooked guy in the third or fourth that ends up being a star. Some of it is luck, but after 10+ years (and a horrible pick like McIlarth) you start to wonder if the guy has a keen enough eye to spot those players, if his staff sucks, or if it's a combination of both.
The last two drafts could be huge, as there are a lot of guys I really like. And we have some guys out there still that could turn into strong players. But the whole history of Gordie Clark drafts, it seems like we're fine at drafting and developing middle-six guys and second-pair defenders, but we can't really identify the highest of the high-end guys.
Yeah, I wouldn’t write him off. But I would have my concerns if we had drafted him.
He can make some really ill advised passes and stick-handling attempts.
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I think it's a matter of since he's been here, our really good choices have been Stepan, Kreider, and Miller. There are other potential "really good" choices out there, like Chytil, Shesterkin, K'Andre Miller, Lundkvist, etc., but we still don't know how they'll work out. The fact that in his tenure, we haven't drafted and developed an elite-level talent (and no, I'm not talking McDavid or Kucherov or Hedman-level
Again, this isn't a "hindsight bias" thing with me. It's just odd that with the league possessing a real wealth of high-end talent, we've really only been able to get any through trades and signings. We haven't been able to snag that guy with our mid/late-first that really explodes, and we haven't grabbed that overlooked guy in the third or fourth that ends up being a star. Some of it is luck, but after 10+ years (and a horrible pick like McIlarth) you start to wonder if the guy has a keen enough eye to spot those players, if his staff sucks, or if it's a combination of both.
The last two drafts could be huge, as there are a lot of guys I really like. And we have some guys out there still that could turn into strong players. But the whole history of Gordie Clark drafts, it seems like we're fine at drafting and developing middle-six guys and second-pair defenders, but we can't really identify the highest of the high-end guys.
Would have loved Boeser or Teravainen.. Funny the Isles ended up with Barzal from that line and we missed on Boeser and ended up with Gropp.
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