2020 Redraft - Top 5

[RedHawkDown]

Jarvis is the most overrated player of this draft at this point. Putting him above Raymond is straight up comical.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

So I just learned that stutzle is under 42% on faceoffs this year. That’s atrocious. I’ve been giving stutzle the edge over Raymond because he plays center but 42% is so bad you have to wonder if he would be better as a winger.

 

[Golden_Jet]

So I just learned that stutzle is under 42% on faceoffs this year. That’s atrocious. I’ve been giving stutzle the edge over Raymond because he plays center but 42% is so bad you have to wonder if he would be better as a winger.

Yep was terrible October/November

since December 1, he’s 52%, so maybe he’s figured it now, time will tell.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Yep was terrible October/November

since December 1, he’s 52%, so maybe he’s figured it now, time will tell.

He’s been under 50% his whole career. So it’s unlikely. Probably just a hot streak. Hasn’t even broken 47% before. 42% is really just atrocious though.

 

[LeProspector]

Ranking Raymond behind guys he's massively outperforming.

There are so many posts that have Raymond where you want him to be ranked in this thread. My one post doesn’t agree with your confirmation bias so you’re offended? Some people aren’t going to share your opinion.

He isn’t ‘massively outperforming those guys at all. Sanderson and Faber are top pairing defenders. They’re inherently more valuable than wingers and both are still only improving. Jarvis I think is going to come out as the best player in the draft, he is incredible, on a very good Carolina team - he is probably the teams most potent offensive player.

I’m sorry my opinion doesn’t align with your biases.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

There are so many posts that have Raymond where you want him to be ranked in this thread. My one post doesn’t agree with your confirmation bias so you’re offended? Some people aren’t going to share your opinion.

He isn’t ‘massively outperforming those guys at all. Sanderson and Faber are top pairing defenders. They’re inherently more valuable than wingers and both are still only improving. Jarvis I think is going to come out as the best player in the draft, he is incredible, on a very good Carolina team - he is probably the teams most potent offensive player.

I’m sorry my opinion doesn’t align with your biases.

You’re the one that seems to have clear biases. Jarvis is not close to Raymond this year. That’s a fact, not an opinion.

 

[LeProspector]

You’re the one that seems to have clear biases. Jarvis is not close to Raymond this year. That’s a fact, not an opinion.

Jarvis is the better player, in my opinion.

Sorry I hurt your feelings.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Jarvis is the better player, in my opinion.

Sorry I hurt your feelings.

My feelings aren’t hurt lmao. I laugh at your “opinion” because it’s nonsense.

 

[Golden_Jet]

He’s been under 50% his whole career. So it’s unlikely. Probably just a hot streak. Hasn’t even broken 47% before. 42% is really just atrocious though.

Players improve over time on faceoffs, most aren’t good at age 22 or younger but I’m sure you would know that. So ya it is likely lol.
Just turned 23 so still young but has shown great improvement lately at 52%, we’ll see if it keeps up.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Players improve over time on faceoffs, most aren’t good at age 22 or younger but I’m sure you would know that. So ya it is likely lol.
Just turned 23 so still young but has shown great improvement lately at 52%, we’ll see if it keeps up.

No, it’s not likely for someone to go from around 40% to over 50% within a year. Of course he could develop to become a long term 50% faceoff guy, but it’s not going to magically happen mid season.

 

[LeProspector]

My feelings aren’t hurt lmao. I laugh at your “opinion” because it’s nonsense.

So me saying a player with a .92 Points Per Game is better than a player with 1.07 points per game is nonsense now?

completely ignoring one gets more favourable offensive matchups, is the best offensive player on a terrible team and is a black hole defensively.

If you weren’t a Red Wings fan I’d take your opinion seriously and would be willing to have a conversation. But no, you’re not arguing in good faith and are going to let your biases get in the way of an objective conversation.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

So me saying a player with a .92 Points Per Game is better than a player with 1.07 points per game is nonsense now?

completely ignoring one gets more favourable offensive matchups, is the best offensive player on a terrible team and is a black hole defensively.

If you weren’t a Red Wings fan I’d take your opinion seriously and would be willing to have a conversation. But no, you’re not arguing in good faith and are going to let your biases get in the way of an objective conversation.

Well for one half of what you’re saying isn’t remotely true, so yes it is complete nonsense. Not sure where you’ve been but it’s 2025 and the red wings are in a playoff spot, and Raymond is actually a plus player defensively.

Nothing you’re saying is objective. If anything there are objective stats that say you’re very wrong.

 

[newfy]

Looks like 51 minutes, not 146, according to NHL.com.
But counting Stutzle extra time on the PK, as non Even Strength is misleading.

Stutzle EV TOI - 1273, PP- 258, PK - 52

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Raymond EV TOI -1222, PP- 223,PK - 10

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You have your filters set wrong. I was talking about all of last season plus this season. its 2190 mins even strength for Stutzle, 2041 for Raymond.

Nothing misleading about it

 

[Stealth JD]

Stutzle
Sanderson
Faber
Raymond
Jarvis
Lundell
Peterka
Lafreniere
Rossi
Byfield

HM: Perfetti, Holloway, Neighbours

I’d probably have Holloway over both Lafreniere and Byfield; the latter for sure. He’s really blossomed since leaving Edmonton. Good list, though.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

So me saying a player with a .92 Points Per Game is better than a player with 1.07 points per game is nonsense now?

completely ignoring one gets more favourable offensive matchups, is the best offensive player on a terrible team and is a black hole defensively.

If you weren’t a Red Wings fan I’d take your opinion seriously and would be willing to have a conversation. But no, you’re not arguing in good faith and are going to let your biases get in the way of an objective conversation.

You outed yourself.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Holloway looks like a top 10 pick

 

[Pavels Dog]

Raymond showing his class at 4 nations so far. Much more impactful than Stützle.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Raymond showing his class at 4 nationa so far. Much more impactful than Stützle.

Stutzle has been invisible

 

[Sens With Benefits]

Raymond showing his class at 4 nationa so far. Much more impactful than Stützle.

Absolutely, I’m hoping Stutzle bounces back in his game against the Americans.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Jarvis is the better player, in my opinion.

Sorry I hurt your feelings.

Based on…. What exactly?

So me saying a player with a .92 Points Per Game is better than a player with 1.07 points per game is nonsense now?

completely ignoring one gets more favourable offensive matchups, is the best offensive player on a terrible team and is a black hole defensively.

If you weren’t a Red Wings fan I’d take your opinion seriously and would be willing to have a conversation. But no, you’re not arguing in good faith and are going to let your biases get in the way of an objective conversation.

Can you point to what shows Raymond being a “black hole” defensively?

Can you point to where Raymond plays on a “terrible team” (they have like the best record in the NHL since the coaching change)

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Raymond showing his class at 4 nations so far. Much more impactful than Stützle.

Stutzle has been invisible

Absolutely, I’m hoping Stutzle bounces back in his game against the Americans.

Crazy thing with 4 Nations is when you look at the top, top end, Germany honestly isn't that much worse than Finland. Draisaitl beats anybody. Barkov is better than Stutzle. But Seider is drastically better than anything on Finland's D group.

... It's just that Germany's depth is absolutely atrocious. Draisaitl/Stutzle/Seider/Peterka and then it just goes off a cliff. You've got a Top 5 player in the world, A #1C, a #1D and a Top 6 winger... For a country that has 6 whole players in the league.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Crazy thing with 4 Nations is when you look at the top, top end, Germany honestly isn't that much worse than Finland. Draisaitl beats anybody. Barkov is better than Stutzle. But Seider is drastically better than anything on Finland's D group.

... It's just that Germany's depth is absolutely atrocious. Draisaitl/Stutzle/Seider/Peterka and then it just goes off a cliff. You've got a Top 5 player in the world. A #1C, a #1D and a Top 6 winger... For a country that has 6 whole players in the league.

Germans + Swiss + Austria would be a pretty strong team

Draisaitl
Hischier
Stutzle
Fiala
Meier
Rossi
Peterka
Neiderreiter
Kasper
Suter
Reichel
Sturm

Josi
Seider
Siegenthaler
Moser
Bischel
Reinbacher

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Germans + Swiss + Austria would be a pretty strong team

Draisaitl
Hischier
Stutzle
Fiala
Meier
Rossi
Peterka
Neiderreiter
Kasper
Suter
Reichel
Sturm

Josi
Seider
Siegenthaler
Moser
Bischel
Reinbacher

what would that team be called?

Holy Roman Empire HC?

 

[villacco]

what would that team be called?

Holy Roman Empire HC?

We have a name for this three countries together:
It is called "DACH"