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2020 Redraft - Top 5

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Pavels Dog said:
Raymond has the 226th highest on-ice sh% among forwards this season.


LA has scored almost as many goals 5v5 as Detroit has 5v5+5v4. It's nothing short of a miracle that Raymond is as productive as he is on a team that struggled to get >20 SOG for most of the season before the coaching change.
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54th , the top 6, all played 4 games or less.
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LarKing said:
Agreed on the unsustainable shooting %. The rest is a lot of mental gymnastics trying to prop up a player who averages 40 points per 82.

Byfield may still end up the better player. But he's not close to Raymond right now.
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What is mental gymnastics.... He is a PP machine who is riding a historical shooting % to have his stats be what they are haflway through the year. I'm not bashing him. He doesnt have competition on the wing so he gets PP1 time (and he is good with that time).

As I mentioned in the summer, I had no issues with Raymond being someone's top pick for a redraft. I also thought it was annoying when Detroit fans couldnt even imagine him being below 3rd. He is a smaller one way winger - those guys just dont carry the value a big 2 way Center or defenseman do.

Do you take Marner over Eichel? Maybe, maybe not. I lean towards Eichel because I think he can push the play as a center. Do you take Nylander over Barkov? I take Barkov. I'm not saying Byfield is that guy, or will be that guy. I do believe he has a bunch of "traits" and their ES scoring is incredibly similar. A redraft doesn't mean I'm picking for the best player right now. I'm picking the guy who I think will help my team the most. A filled out 6'5 Byfield at 1C is an IF I place a ton of value on.

DumbManHockey said:
I'm just curious what y'all get out of demanding others see your player as the number one from a draft, not 2-3 spots down or whatever. My friends, you've got the damn player! Just enjoy what you got!
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No no no, you dont understand. In a fake redraft where you state your opinion it's only ok if that opinion is the same as Detroit Fans
 
CowbellConray said:
What is mental gymnastics.... He is a PP machine who is riding a historical shooting % to have his stats be what they are haflway through the year. I'm not bashing him. He doesnt have competition on the wing so he gets PP1 time (and he is good with that time).

As I mentioned in the summer, I had no issues with Raymond being someone's top pick for a redraft. I also thought it was annoying when Detroit fans couldnt even imagine him being below 3rd. He is a smaller one way winger - those guys just dont carry the value a big 2 way Center or defenseman do.

Do you take Marner over Eichel? Maybe, maybe not. I lean towards Eichel because I think he can push the play as a center. Do you take Nylander over Barkov? I take Barkov. I'm not saying Byfield is that guy, or will be that guy. I do believe he has a bunch of "traits" and their ES scoring is incredibly similar. A redraft doesn't mean I'm picking for the best player right now. I'm picking the guy who I think will help my team the most. A filled out 6'5 Byfield at 1C is an IF I place a ton of value on.


No no no, you dont understand. In a fake redraft where you state your opinion it's only ok if that opinion is the same as Detroit Fans
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Lol those comparisons are soooo bad. You start off by calling Raymond a one way winger, which isn't true but after that it gets funny.

You're using 2 way center comparisons that are all guys who can challenge for 100 points. Except right now, Byfield is closer to 40 points than 100 probably this year. Raymond is pushing 80-90 points.

Would you rather have Phillip Danault or Nylander? Its actually a much closer comparison than what you just made. Would you rather have Marner or Lars Eller? If you want to use random players to make a point, I can do that too. Except my comparisons are closer right now
 
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Laf and Byfield didn’t take the steps forward this year I think people expected, though Byfield has been adjusting to playing center on lower lines rather than top line wing and has been playing better recently. It’s getting harder to justify them over Raymond who has continued to improve, though all these guys are still too young to make any definitive claims. I think some people are too focused on right now, which isn’t what a redraft is about. I still think those two, plus Stutzle, Raymond, Sanderson, Faber, and Jarvis are the top 7 and I don’t think it’s too crazy to put them in various orders in terms of projections.
 
CowbellConray said:
A redraft doesn't mean I'm picking for the best player right now. I'm picking the guy who I think will help my team the most. A filled out 6'5 Byfield at 1C is an IF I place a ton of value on.
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that's just silly. that's like me saying, 'i think nate danielson would go top 3 in a redraft. he hasn't done anything to justify that opinion, but i  think he can'
 
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AlwaysSunnyInDetroit said:
that's just silly. that's like me saying, 'i think nate danielson would go top 3 in a redraft. he hasn't done anything to justify that opinion, but i  think he can'
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That’s literally the point of a personal redraft. People are saying who they would take based on how they think the players will turn out, not who is the best right now, or how teams would necessarily re-pick them. Just like GMs give guys with standout physical attributes multiple opportunities, Byfield is the type of player who could be a bit of a unicorn if he fully figures it out. Though it’s certainly easier to take a chance on potential on a message board with no real life consequences other than angry Wings fans.
 
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Regal said:
That’s literally the point of a personal redraft. People are saying who they would take based on how they think the players will turn out, not who is the best right now, or how teams would necessarily re-pick them.
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i mean, sure. i  could have the opinion that brady cleveland would go first overall in a redraft, but that doesn't mean that i am not absolutely wrong
 
Luceni said:
I think Marco Rossi should have a legit case cracking that 2020 redraft top5 with the season he is having.
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I think he would be in mine right now, he would for sure be in my top 6.

In order from their draft day I think I would have Stutzle, Raymond, Sanderson, Rossi, Jarvis and Faber as my top 6

Holloway would be climbing quickly and Byfield would be right in the mix after that too
 
newfy said:


Calendar year of 2024 Raymond had 35 goals and 82 points in 82 games. Pacing for 33 goals and 86 points this season now, despite a slow start. Laffy and Byfield can't hold a candle to him right now, Stutzle isn't scoring goals the way he does 2 seasons straight now, Sanderson has taken a step back. Somehow Raymond was falling compared to a bunch of these guys in all these redrafts for a lot of people

One guy that didn't get enough credit was Rossi. I wasn't the biggest fan of him as a prospect but he's having a hell of a season. Same with Jarvis
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Hold on now, Sanderson looks great
 
Faber
Stutzle
Raymond
Jarvis
Sanderson

I love Raymond and Jarvis, but knowing the way GM's operate, if one of their options in a redraft was a 22 year old elite 200 foot defenseman, that plays 25 minutes per night and all situations, they'd bite your hand off before they even heard the other options.

I also think Sanderson is much better than he has looked this year and would be shocked if he doesn't bounce back big time, but you also can't ignore that he hasn't had the year you'd expect.
 
I’m hoping the Four Nations tournament gives a little more of a platform for people to appreciate what Jarvis brings to the table. He’s such a well rounded two-way player, good in every situation, and leaves it all on the ice. He scores clutch goals and makes clutch defensive plays because he’s still churning his feet while other guys start lagging. Definition of a guy you win games with.
 
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Lucas Raymond is a superstar and y'all will all catch on soon enough. He'll hit 90 points this year and I bet anything he eclipses 100 next year barring injury. And he's solid defensively too.
 
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