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GDT: 2020 NHL Entry Draft [SN, NBCSN; 6PM Central]

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serp said:
Loewen was clearly picked because of the story and probably because Gaglardi pushed it to happen since he also owns the Kamloops Blazers.
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It's also not like we're likely to get anything at all from a 7th round pick. It's not that big of a deal.
 
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You can sign "bottom 6 players", yes, you can also sign "top 6 players", the question is never what you "can" do but the quality with which you can do it. "Bottom 6 players" are not made the same. Teams that skimp out on having elite mid-6 and bottom-6 talent end up without the ability to keep pucks out of their net when they most desperately need to.

Talent itself is even in the eye of the beholder. The Dallas Stars this year were a talented team. The Vegas Golden Knights, the New York Islanders, were talented teams, if you view the game in a certain way. And it worked for them. I'm warming up to Bourque, but I don't see Stranges playing Dallas Stars hockey, at least not for a very long time. Unless Dallas wants to become a discount version of other teams which try to play around individual playmaking, in which case I don't think Dallas would have very much success, but maybe fans would be happier.
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What top 6 players are you signing out of the NCAA/Europe without competing with other teams?

Also, "Dallas Stars hockey" is obviously an evolving system. 5 years ago this team was a run and gun- the system isn't static and drafting players to fit a static system is a poor draft strategy.
 
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Sooo who are we thinking in the 5th round? Someone super random or are there any fallers left?
 
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Would be nice to add some European or NCAA talent here. Longer time to develop than CHL guys.
 

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Satan said:
What top 6 players are you signing out of the NCAA/Europe without competing with other teams?
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There's actually a surprisingly long list of these... And even if you don't get one from these avenues there's trades and free agency. The two tools you listed aren't the only ones.

Also, "Dallas Stars hockey" is obviously an evolving system. 5 years ago this team was a run and gun- the system isn't static and drafting players to fit a static system is a poor draft strategy.
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There are of course some changes but while the team has changed over the years, it still bears significant similarities to the old team. There are some things that don't change and shouldn't change, like the emphasis on good 2 way play, the emphasis on playing fast and high energy, winning 50-50s. That the team has succeeded in becoming more defensive and it's led to more playoff success, that's absolutely true. But there are some fundamentals in hockey which, in broad strokes, you don't want to change. And if they do, then you might be going down a different path.

Bourque is a young kid, if he continues to grow and bulk and develop a 2 way game, he could be extremely good. Stranges could as well, but it might take a mentality shift for him. Maybe an inspirational speech, to help him shift his focus and become the kind of player that is difficult to play against.
 
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kabidjan18 said:
There's actually a surprisingly long list of these... And even if you don't get one from these avenues there's trades and free agency. The two tools you listed aren't the only ones.


There are of course some changes but while the team has changed over the years, it still bears significant similarities to the old team. There are some things that don't change and shouldn't change, like the emphasis on good 2 way play, the emphasis on playing fast and high energy, winning 50-50s. That the team has succeeded in becoming more defensive and it's led to more playoff success, that's absolutely true. But there are some fundamentals in hockey which, in broad strokes, you don't want to change. And if they do, then you might be going down a different path.

Bourque is a young kid, if he continues to grow and bulk and develop a 2 way game, he could be extremely good. Stranges could as well, but it might take a mentality shift for him. Maybe an inspirational speech, to help him shift his focus and become the kind of player that is difficult to play against.
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A long list of talented non-NHL players that aren't draft eligible that you can sign for cheap? I'd love to see it.

Trades cost assets. Free agency costs cap space.

The best way to acquire talent is to draft it.


No idea how you can look at the last 7 years of the Jim Nill era and say that there haven't been significant philosophical changes at both the pro and amateur levels.
 
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This draft is more of a crapshoot than any other. You almost have to swing for the fences and hope the talent pans out because you don't have near enough track record to say that guy is an NHL checker. So go big because you've already got safe and pray that the CHL starts soon so you have a much better idea on talent next draft.
 

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Satan said:
A long list of talented non-NHL players that aren't draft eligible that you can sign for cheap? I'd love to see it.
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What do you think a pro scouting agency is for? To find those Kubaliks.

Trades cost assets. Free agency costs cap space.

The best way to acquire talent is to draft it.
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Of course trade costs assets. Draft picks themselves are assets. And definitely you'd rather draft a Blake Coleman. You'd rather draft a Barclay Goodrow. You want to draft an Alec Martinez, or you're going to pay up the rear end to get one. Realistically you're not going to get all your needs in the draft. So you want a wide array of targets for your picks and you acquire the rest. And some folks have said that Dallas drafts for 4-12 too much. And that could be a fair criticism. But the idea that you just shoot for "talent", however you define that, in the draft. It's a limited perspective.

No idea how you can look at the last 7 years of the Jim Nill era and say that there haven't been significant philosophical changes at both the pro and amateur levels.
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What? What are the amateur levels of the Dallas Stars? We're talking about continuity in philosophy between the Stars teams over time, what are the amateur Stars?
 
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Hull Fan said:
This draft is more of a crapshoot than any other. You almost have to swing for the fences and hope the talent pans out because you don't have near enough track record to say that guy is an NHL checker. So go big because you've already got safe and pray that the CHL starts soon so you have a much better idea on talent next draft.
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Next year is likely going to be worse because who the hell knows how many league will even play and how much .
 
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serp said:
Next year is likely going to be worse because who the hell knows how many league will even play and how much .
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Even more Euro heavy because they're playing. Something has to be figured out. Hockey can't really afford a poor talent black hole for 2 or 3 drafts.
 
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