Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Draft Part 2
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I'm with you, I prefer Rossi and Raymond over a defensemen.
But if the Ducks brass think one of those guys is a top pairing potential guy and those 2 forwards are gone, they should take the defensemen.
For me it changes daily... but I'd go:
Raymond
Sanderson
Rossi/Drysdale
Perfetti
Holtz
Lundell
Quinn
My guess for the Ducks list:
Sanderson
Raymond
Drysdale
Lundell
Holtz
Rossi
Perfetti
Quinn
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The Mighty Duck Man
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The extent of those rumors is one guy who's convinced the Ducks are going to take one of those two defensemen, which isn't the same thing as you're saying. And again, that's one guy who might be going off his own instincts than any real info.
Hockey Duckie
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Don't we possess some talent worth talking about? A few seasons ago, Terry was the talk of the town as Mr. Five Hole. In that same hockey season, Steel blew up on his D+1. The following year, Comtois looked amazing in his 10-game NHL stint before being returned to his junior team. That NHL season we bombed out due to several reasons and we were rewarded with C Zegras in the 2019 draft. I actually liked our first four draft picks in 2019 with C Zegras, LW Tracey, LHD LaCombe, and LHD Thrun.
Last season, it was mostly the kids show. It was cringe when our veterans started falling off due to injuries like Manson, Lindholm, Kase, Ritchie, and Rakell. We had no depth last year at forward and defense. It's apparent our youth needed sheltering and I don't want to see another mass youth contingent again. We're still lacking talent depth at forward with our NHL group with the possibility that Zegras might make the NHL jump, which gives us a bit of respite at center. Other than that, we're just waiting on the development of a lot of forward youths in Terry, Steel, Jones, Comtois, and Lundestrom. There are only 3 NHL roster spots available between the six forward prospects listed. That's a good thing.
You might be correct that we end up being a 20th best team in the league after this season, but mindset could be vastly different. It can be seen as a building block laid down. If we trade our known forward assests, then it could be the disaster we witnessed last year before the trade deadline, where the feeling was it was just a re-build year. Except, instead of one season, it will span a few seasons to a decade like the Edmonton Oil.
The Stanley Cup runner up Dallas stars had the 26th best scoring offense (Goals for) last year, but boasted the 2nd best defense (Goals against). We have the depth with defensemen and a netminder to get to that defense like the Stars because we were there for the 2017-18 season, which was our last playoff appearance.
We have three selections in the top-36 of this year's draft to add onto the abundance of youthful prospects we already have in tow. We had three selections in the top-39 in last year's draft. We added the 27th overall this draft by trading away F Kase. We added the 29th in the 2019 draft by trading away D Monty. We've been accruing extra draft picks in the first round for the past two seasons to prevent doing a mass fire sale.
Aren't you excited for C Zegras? How about F Terry and C Steel? Or LW Comtois? Or G Dostal? Or the NCAA defensemen in LaCombe and Thrun? Or how about the late bloomer in FA D Curran? Do these prospects exist or is only the 2020 NHL draft class the so called savior for the Ducks' franchise? At 6th overall, I don't see a savior, but rather another valuable piece to the puzzle because it does take a team to win.
I get ya that in order to win you need talent. But you can ruin talent if it's not being cultivated the best possible way. Look at Steel last year. We had no other talent better than Steel last year in the NHL or AHL club when Steel needed a breather in the AHL. We were able to send down Terry to keep developing once we traded for both Milano and Heinen, but nothing for Steel. This year, we have Zegras to compete with or give him a breather. We need Steel to continue developing and not tap out mentally so early in his career, which he looked like it last year. Similarly, look at Lundestrom. He threw him into the NHL as an 18-year old because of the rash of injuries to our center group. Isac looked like a good prospect for the Ducks, but his progression hasn't grown all that much for the past two seasons and it's not really his fault because we rushed him to the NHL due to the fact we had no NHL level depth to keep him out of the NHL. As a 17-year old in the SHL, Lundestrom scored 6g + 9a = 15 points in 42 games. This year's top-10 prospect Lucas Raymond scored 4g + 6a = 10 pts in 33 games as a 17-year old in the SHL. Lundestrom has talent, but we're not cultivating him well because we lacked NHL talent to prevent him from being pushed to the NHL so early, which is what we will be doing to all of our current and future prospects by selling off Rakell, Rico, Getz, etc...
There's a lot of reasons why we failed for the past two seasons, with a major factor in injuries to a particular group as well as lacking talent depth. Did Murray do enough thus far? I dunno. But I do know his game plan. Solidify the team from the net out and try to foster a winning mentality again after last year's broken message.
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ha! You gotta like his mentality that he has a better than bottom dwelling team even though it may look like it on paper. He has a game plan. It may not work, but he at least has a game plan to where he can see his club be improved enough to make the playoffs again. He also blamed himself for last year's debacle with the whole "re-build" mentality circulating among some of his veteran players.
lol I'm just naturally pessimistic. If we keep the pick I can't be too upset. If we trade the pick down only to get a player to help us compete now then I'll be really upset about the direction the organization is headed.
This is my exact list with Drysdale and Sanderson flipped, mainly due to Drysdale being a RD.
That is pretty much the same as mine but I'd have the 2nd tier as Perfetti/Jarvis/Drysdale/Sanderson in that order.
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What if BPA is Askarov? The write up on him is incredible! I'm relieved we have Gibby and Dostal to not be desperate to draft him in the top-10, but he does have top-5 talent. It's because we have Gibby and Dostal that we don't even bring Askarov up in any draft speculation. Similarly, we have a #1 D in Lindholm (26 years old) and a #3 D in Fowler (28 years old), and they'll be set for a long while in Duck colors. They are rounded out with Manson, Gudz, and Djoos. Prospects Thurn and LaCombe might have #2-4 blue line projections. Grabbing a defenseman at 6 is akin to our goalie situation such that we're kinda set at both. I wouldn't mind grabbing a defenseman like I would be irked if we drafted Askarov. But are we prepared to move forward after Getz? I don't think so right now.
If Murray believes his team to be a playoff team next year and it does happen, then we're back to hoping a 20+ draft selection forward can pan out again. Holtz, Rossi, Perfetti, or Raymond would bring that top line talent to mesh with Zegras. With high talent like that, the Ducks don't have to do much developing as players of that ilk tend to develop themselves a la Zegras. But the safe picks are Holtz, Drysdale, and Sanderson. We all know what we're getting with each of those players. Perfetti and Raymond are homerun type picks if... I like Rossi if he can pan out at center, but lots of pundits have him moving to wing.
OTOH, with Drydale or Sanderson, we can continue the tradition of trading defensemen for forwards as we continue to stock our cupboards, but the problem with that is we won't have a chance at an elite to top-end forward.
Which one is going to give us the best bang for our buck? Talent-wise, though, Askarov might have that #2-3 type talent. And the reason he drops is because he's a goalie. Remember, we drafted Rakell before Gibson! LoL I can't explain that besides it's a hockey tradition. We're certainly not picking Askarov 6th overall, though. Zegras is the ultimate playmaker, but do we have goal scorers in our system to match his style, especially if Rakell never regains his form? Although I prefer Holtz, I'll be happy with Perfetti, Rossi, or Raymond because we're lacking in top-end forward talent today and tomorrow. If Askarov is omitted from your potential BPA list, then it's really not a BPA list. On the Ducks, Gibson is our franchise player, not Lindholm.
I'd prefer one of the forwards because they're more fun but I'm completely fine with Sanderson or Drysdale. I've always had a gut feeling it would be Drysdale; it just makes too much sense for us to draft a RD with a high floor. But Sanderson is basically a faster version of Hampus so I can see why they'd go that route also.
I saw some earlier discussion about Lapierre and I think he's an interesting player but I don't think we'll go for him because of the injury concerns. I doubt Bob wants a repeat of the Kase situation where he seemed to desperate to offload a good player because he wasn't sure how many games he could get out of him.
I saw some earlier discussion about Lapierre and I think he's an interesting player but I don't think we'll go for him because of the injury concerns. I doubt Bob wants a repeat of the Kase situation where he seemed to desperate to offload a good player because he wasn't sure how many games he could get out of him.
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Let me be clear here: I have advocated for drafting Askarov as BPA. If we are in a pure-rebuild mode, why not draft him? Gibson is in prime years right now, but yet this team is going nowhere. We lack talent on offense, and potentially defense. I am met with people getting upset over trading Gibson. I really feel like Askarov has that potential, but I feel like some posters on here, are quick to shoot down the idea. It seems like people always have an answer on these boards on every topic. I say let's hold on to Gibson and then trade him for a big return - I'm met with backlash. I say he has the highest value out of anyone - others tell me he doesn't. I am confused as to where to place Gibson. I understand he is a great goalie for this team - but maybe we could get something great as a return. But I know it won't happen.
I love Drysdale, Holtz and Raymond. I feel like Rossi is undersized.
From a source posted in the Raymond thread: "Ottawa has interviewed him the most followed by Detroit. New Jersey, & Anaheim have also talked with him a few times. Will be interesting to see who of them takes him."
First time I've heard anything about Anaheim interviews with Raymond
First time I've heard anything about Anaheim interviews with Raymond
1000%. The truth is that we don't know their board. Every year fans act like there is some definitive list of how players are ranked and then we are shocked when guys fall and others are picked early. As much as I may feel like I like one player or another, I dont for a second think i know more than our scouts who spend their whole career doing this.
I have no clue how Madden ranks the defense but I would argue that by the time we enter our next window all three of those guys are starting to get older and we have no young talent in the pipeline. I also prefer to build from the defense out because I feel it helps get the most of your forwards (as an example building like Dallas vs building like Edm). There are so many disappointing teams that have great forwards but lacking on the back end and there are very few teams with an elitr d corps that struggles.
That was a long ass post but I agree with most of what you are saying. I've debated in my head whether it would be better to trade Manson and Rakell for assets or put more talent around the young kids to develop. I can see both arguments for sure. I am of the mindset that you build around the defense. Good defense can get out of its zone and give the forwards more opportunity. I would also say we have a decent amount of young prospects in the system and with where salaries are at for stars it isn't as attractive to get a young star that makes a ton.
Hasn't Anaheim usually been tight lipped about who they like in the draft (like they tend to be with everything)? How much of this is speculation or just the team blowing smoke to see if someone trades up to snag the player they want? If not, I think we can all agree that we should trust the scouting team when it comes to d-men.
I think Rakell is a good sell at this point because of the low contract and flat cap. He's a guy that needs a line driver to be successful and Zegras is our best shot but probably a couple years away. I'm way more torn on Manson, he's one of my favorite players (since the Lucic fight) and fills several big needs (top 4, RHD, physical, can protect the kids). I was in the trade Manson for high value side, but thinking about it I think it's better to keep him to help when other teams try something with the "smaller" kids. If Guds keeps it up, re-sign him after the expansion draft and there's some physicality while the young d-men develop.
I think Rakell is a good sell at this point because of the low contract and flat cap. He's a guy that needs a line driver to be successful and Zegras is our best shot but probably a couple years away. I'm way more torn on Manson, he's one of my favorite players (since the Lucic fight) and fills several big needs (top 4, RHD, physical, can protect the kids). I was in the trade Manson for high value side, but thinking about it I think it's better to keep him to help when other teams try something with the "smaller" kids. If Guds keeps it up, re-sign him after the expansion draft and there's some physicality while the young d-men develop.
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Yeah I keep reading that we don’t need defense but in reality by the time the player we draft is ready Fowler and Manson will be on the wrong side of 30 and Lindholm will be 28 (not to mention, Lindholm and Manson will need new contracts). We need talent at all positions, if the best player at 6 is a dman we should take a dman.
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Then he isn't making an objective assessment. Our roster is arguably the worst in the western conference
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How is he a project. He may be the furthest thing from a project out of the top 3. He is rock solid defensively and has some better offensive and transition advanced stats than Drysdale. He is also physically mature.
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Because I'm not sure about his offensive talent and how real it is. Thats just my impression from what I watched of him
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