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Speculation: 2020-21 News/Rumors/Roster Thread Part III

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Adding PLD to this Kings roster doesn’t move the needle forward to returning to the playoffs. Moving a roster player would be an offset gain to the overall talent level and likely a marginal improvement at best. Moving top end futures would be gambling on a major increase in wins. Moving both would be the riskiest type of bet and would still have to beat the field of competitor teams to win, lowering the odds of payoff to well under 50/50 odds.

The ship has sailed on getting a young star like PLD for this season. The only useful tactic is an offer sheet. Unfortunately, the Kings are saddled with $10m in dead cap space due to Kovy and Dion. And despite $12m in cap space, being stuck with the anchor contracts of Carter or Quick, plus the bad economics, basically forcludes taking advantage of any strengths.
 
King'sPawn said:
I reiterate - how is Greene's age, criticism, and role different from MacDermid? Draft pedigree by this age means very little. And teams on which a player plays on is out of their control (unless they sign as a free agent).

Greene was brought in to be a cornerstone leader, yes, and he had skills to be a regular NHLer.

Yet Greene was a tough, bottom-pairing defenseman who was criticized for taking himself out of position for a big hit. He had limited offensive ability.

Prior to his trade to LA, Greene had 1 goal and 13 points in 151 games (age 25 by offseason)

MacDermid has 4 goals and 13 points in 90 NHL games (will turn 27 during this season)

Greene had leadership qualities, which is sorely missed. But I don't think it's inconcievable for MacDermid to provide a comparable skillset and presence.
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I don't disagree with any of your points, but the NHL has also changed since then with regards to speed and puck movement. I love MacD and hope you're right, but the NHL Greene came into was more favorable to their style of play than today's game.
 
DoktorJeep said:
Adding PLD to this Kings roster doesn’t move the needle forward to returning to the playoffs. Moving a roster player would be an offset gain to the overall talent level and likely a marginal improvement at best. Moving top end futures would be gambling on a major increase in wins. Moving both would be the riskiest type of bet and would still have to beat the field of competitor teams to win, lowering the odds of payoff to well under 50/50 odds.

The ship has sailed on getting a young star like PLD for this season. The only useful tactic is an offer sheet. Unfortunately, the Kings are saddled with $10m in dead cap space due to Kovy and Dion. And despite $12m in cap space, being stuck with the anchor contracts of Carter or Quick, plus the bad economics, basically forcludes taking advantage of any strengths.
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I simply cannot agree with that.

at worst, he replaces Jeff Carter's former 2C production and two-way play.

The question is 'is it worth it,' not 'is PLD a transformative player.'

If PLD doesn't move the needle, what does adding Vilardi or Turcotte do, especially given we know what PLD is?

It actually seems like you're suggesting it's a marginal improvement...but I don't think that's fair at all given our prospects are mystery boxes and the only one that IS here near PLD's level is Vilardi. If you're suggesting it's not worth the upgrade vs. the assets, I think that argument can be made depending on what the assets are, but I don't think it can be a blanket statement.

I'm not even advocating trading for him, but I think there's some serious underrating of PLD and his immediate roster impact vs. our prospects' potential here (because they're all question marks of varying levels right now).
 
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My take: I have read the PLD has also played on the wing. It would make a lot of sense to trade for this player as it could really help the development of Vilardi.

PLD could play center behind Kopitar and Vilardi could shift to RW... or PLD could play LW with Vilardi.

So with our excellent center prospect depth, it could make sense to deal Turcotte for a 22 year old player that could bump Vilardi to wing or vice versa.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Keep in mind PLD himself was a 3rd OA pick and his trajectory has been constantly up.
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Just another beautiful example that should be used when you get all the doomsayers crying about Byfield. It's taken PLD 4-5 years to establish himself as a force in the league. Get real people!

PS, you may want to look at PLD's stats from the WJC...lol.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Keep in mind PLD himself was a 3rd OA pick and his trajectory has been constantly up. After last year's playoffs, he's primed for a breakout. Nothing would be off the table, not even Byfield. I imagine they'd ask for Vilardi (+prospect and 1st rd pick) since he's 'ready' and CBJ isn't gonna wait for Byfield. I'm not real sure how I feel about that and it would be a real nut-buster for Blake. It might help make us competitive a year or two sooner, but is that really worth it? I don't think there's a 'right' answer. Just depends on how high on is on PLD. that Athletic article referenced some who would see him as a top-5 center; if that's the case, you kind of have to pull the trigger. I'm not 100% sure that's how I feel about him...but he sure has all the tools. And as you see from the video, like Turcotte, he's fearless and always in the thick of things. Definitely a net presence and just bulldozes the f*** out of everything.
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I like PLD but if I’m giving up a top C prospect or Vilardi (plus other assets) it’s for an elite D-man. Acquiring PLD wouldn’t move the needle in terms of the make up of a championship roster... it also wouldn’t be a shock if Vilardi ends up the best player in the deal.
 
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King'sPawn said:
I reiterate - how is Greene's age, criticism, and role different from MacDermid? Draft pedigree by this age means very little. And teams on which a player plays on is out of their control (unless they sign as a free agent).

Greene was brought in to be a cornerstone leader, yes, and he had skills to be a regular NHLer.

Yet Greene was a tough, bottom-pairing defenseman who was criticized for taking himself out of position for a big hit. He had limited offensive ability.

Prior to his trade to LA, Greene had 1 goal and 13 points in 151 games (age 25 by offseason)

MacDermid has 4 goals and 13 points in 90 NHL games (will turn 27 during this season)

Greene had leadership qualities, which is sorely missed. But I don't think it's inconcievable for MacDermid to provide a comparable skillset and presence.
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Greene couldn't fight though.

The comparison between MacD and Greene in roles is fair but I see that as pretty different players. Greene was a locker room guy. MacD is much quicker in straight line speed, and his hits are a bit better because of it. Greenes biggest impact was in the lockers. MacDs impact is on the ice when hes standing up to people with that big size and his outstanding fighting ability which will keep most opponents honest. Greene was an awful fighter on the Kings, logically you'd take more liberties against someone who can't really punish you vs someone who can. And I know that's a weird point, but I'm sure players will always fight a guy who's hugging and wrestling, rather than a huge dude with a long reach who is built like a brick house that also throws bombs.
 
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Axl Rhoadz said:
It's taken PLD 4-5 years to establish himself as a force in the league.
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That's not really the case though. He is definitely still improving, which players do, but he has been a good NHL player for a while. There have been 4 seasons played since he was drafted and he spent one of them in the minors. Since then he joined the Blue Jackets and has scored 20+ goals in each season(20+ goal rate last year). His PPG was .6 in his rookie season and he was been .7+ in the 2 subsequent seasons. I think everyone here would be ecstatic if Byfield put up 20g/30a next season.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Agree with all but the boldfaced, the guy was an absolute maniac in the playoffs. If anything, that's a value add for teams looking for playoff players. I certainly wouldn't want to be up against him in a 7-game series. He's an angry Kopitar.
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The Kings just need to make the playoffs. The Jackets have Jones and Werenski. The Kings have a 31 year old Doughty that hasn't cared in a while.

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PLD doesn't move the needle because the future success of this team is going to come from the players picked in the last two drafts. No matter who you add, your still going to have to wait for the other 18 and 19 year olds to develop into NHLers. PLD improves this team from 28th place to 18th place finish. Adding in 10 of our 30 young prospects who break into the team push this team from 28th to top 5 and theres nothing to push that forward other than time.
 
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PLD doesn't move the needle because the future success of this team is going to come from the players picked in the last two drafts. No matter who you add, your still going to have to wait for the other 18 and 19 year olds to develop into NHLers. PLD improves this team from 28th place to 18th place finish. Adding in 10 of our 30 young prospects who break into the team push this team from 28th to top 5 and theres nothing to push that forward other than time.
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You remove the "if" on a couple of those kids with a "for sure" who doesn't turn 23 until after this season. He's in his prime when those guys are ready to contribute.
 
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Greene couldn't fight though.

The comparison between MacD and Greene in roles is fair but I see that as pretty different players. Greene was a locker room guy. MacD is much quicker in straight line speed, and his hits are a bit better because of it. Greenes biggest impact was in the lockers. MacDs impact is on the ice when hes standing up to people with that big size and his outstanding fighting ability which will keep most opponents honest. Greene was an awful fighter on the Kings, logically you'd take more liberties against someone who can't really punish you vs someone who can. And I know that's a weird point, but I'm sure players will always fight a guy who's hugging and wrestling, rather than a huge dude with a long reach who is built like a brick house that also throws bombs.
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I thought Greene's biggest impact was the puck to the face...

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