Speculation: 2020-2021: Sharks Roster Discussion Part 5

[hohosaregood]

Let's hope Doug pounces. He probably looks at him and says, he's not better than True though.

yea...i'm not holding my breath.

 

[themelkman]

Let's hope Doug pounces. He probably looks at him and says, he's not better than True though.

I mean Roslovic is no superstar but he would be the best 3C option we can ask for right now

 

[LadyStanley]

Saw a tweet that Roslovic is waiting on a trade or new deal and wont be at jets camp. Come on sharks do this

He's a RFA. So the Sharks either need to make offer sheet, or trade. Takes assets.

So what picks/players are you willing to lose to acquire him?

 

[Mattb124]

He's a RFA. So the Sharks either need to make offer sheet, or trade. Takes assets.

So what picks/players are you willing to lose to acquire him?

Maybe we could trade 2 of our 3C options for one of theirs?

 

[Alaskanice]

Word is they want defense. I’d trade Hatakka and a pick.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Maybe we could trade 2 of our 3C options for one of theirs?

Sharks have roughly 3 million to use to sign Roslovic if they were able to get him. They'd need to send back more to get him a contract and have some space left over to account for injuries and the like. Unless they're also sending Sorensen back, which I doubt Winnipeg would want, I don't think they have the room for him.

 

[Erep]

Sharks have roughly 3 million to use to sign Roslovic if they were able to get him. They'd need to send back more to get him a contract and have some space left over to account for injuries and the like. Unless they're also sending Sorensen back, which I doubt Winnipeg would want, I don't think they have the room for him.

Dude has never scored 30 points in his career (29 in 71 games last year). If 3m is not enough to sign him, it explains why he hasn't signed with Winnipeg yet.

I know his usage hasn't been what he wants but he played 36 games on a line with Ehlers and Wheeler (their second most used line after Conner Schiefele and Laine), and they were not particularly good. Not saying he wouldn't be a reasonable addition, but his number are worse and his deployment is way better than say Donato, making 1.9m.

If it takes more than 2m to sign him, there is no reason to bother with this.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

My sense is the Sharks are not seen as a team for a player to shine with when trying to build on a resume on a 1 year contract. Jumbo leaving was probably as damning as anything. The teams that got good deals on FA's were generally playoff locks/contenders (e.g. Preds, Blues).

That probably has something to do with it. Also probably has to do with Wilson's approach. He really doesn't look to do anything in fa other than tweak the lineup with short term deals. He doesn't seem to look for long term solutions in fa unless they player was already a Shark.

I see Toews is now allergic to air or something, maybe Vlasic can go hang out in Chicago for a bit.

Hossa became allergic to his jersey after wearing it for 20+ years.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Dude has never scored 30 points in his career (29 in 71 games last year). If 3m is not enough to sign him, it explains why he hasn't signed with Winnipeg yet.

I know his usage hasn't been what he wants but he played 36 games on a line with Ehlers and Wheeler (their second most used line after Conner Schiefele and Laine), and they were not particularly good. Not saying he wouldn't be a reasonable addition, but his number are worse and his deployment is way better than say Donato, making 1.9m.

If it takes more than 2m to sign him, there is no reason to bother with this.

Have you seen what RFA's are going for in this market? They're getting overpaid to avoid arbitration. Donato isn't a comparable given his signing date and one full season compared to two for Roslovic. I'd guess his number will definitely approach three. If they bridge him, arbitration likely happens and gets dicey which means DW will trade him. The alternative is a 5-7 year deal for a tweener. I think he's a good fit in numerous ways but likely isn't someone DW will seriously consider.

 

[Erep]

Have you seen what RFA's are going for in this market? They're getting overpaid to avoid arbitration. Donato isn't a comparable given his signing date and one full season compared to two for Roslovic. I'd guess his number will definitely approach three. If they bridge him, arbitration likely happens and gets dicey which means DW will trade him. The alternative is a 5-7 year deal for a tweener. I think he's a good fit in numerous ways but likely isn't someone DW will seriously consider.

You are going to need to overpay him is not a justification for overpaying him. It is a justification for not pursuing him.0

 

[Pinkfloyd]

You are going to need to overpay him is not a justification for overpaying him. It is a justification for not pursuing him.0

No, arbitrations being avoided is the justification. If you want the player, you have to pay a certain price. And it's clear that RFA's are using that leverage more and more. They can probably get him cheap in assets but they're going to pay in way of a bad contract like they did with Labanc. It's why I don't see DW doing it again.

 

[stator]

FWIW, Hoffman takes PTO with St Louis.

That's the best deal Hoffman has? Quite the risk with PTO until the start of the season if he gets injured beforehand. Particularly now with the shorted season previously, and the delayed start for this one.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

That's the best deal Hoffman has? Quite the risk with PTO until the start of the season if he gets injured beforehand. Particularly now with the shorted season previously, and the delayed start for this one.

They're going to sign him to a 4 mil deal once they put Steen on ltir

 

[ThorNton Apologist]

Word is they want defense. I’d trade Hatakka and a pick.

I wouldn’t, Hatakka looks great. If he ends up a top 4 Dman, which I believe he will, he’s worth way more than Roslovic

 

[ThorNton Apologist]

Roslovic could be a decent fit but I’m not moving much for him. Gambrell + mid pick or if they do want defense, Meloche + 3rd is the most I’d pay

 

[tiburon12]

I understand the frustration that the sharks seemingly haven't done anything, but I think the accusations that DW has been sitting on his hands are unfounded.

DW and the org are notoriously tight lipped. Some of the highest profile trades in DWs tenure, specifically Jumbo, Heatley, and karlsson, seemingly came out of nowhere despite the players in question being superstars. And we are quibbling that there are no rumors about the sharks trying to sign a depth forward or D?

There also seems to be some thoughts that just because a player is a FA that he wants to play in SJ. Noting that DW signed ward and Martin "when he wanted to" omits the fact that ward was 35 and Martin was 34, both signed to multi year deals. Martin was bought out and ward deteriorated in his last season. Multi year deals to 35 year old players are heavily criticized on this board, as they should be.

It's more likely that the sharks poor performance, locker room issues, porous goaltending, and high state taxes are why notable FAs didn't sign here for a short deal. I wouldn't if I were a player trying to prove my worth on a one year deal
That math doesn't add up to me.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I wouldn’t, Hatakka looks great. If he ends up a top 4 Dman, which I believe he will, he’s worth way more than Roslovic

He does? How do you see that? Roslovic is at least a solid 3rd liner and given our team's depth, it's not a bad idea to have multiple options especially someone that we can be confident in centering the 3rd line over a huge maybe with limited offensive skills and a 2nd or later pick.

 

[Mattb124]

Yeah, Doug notoriously does little in FA. He does his best work with trades and then on the waiver wire.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I understand the frustration that the sharks seemingly haven't done anything, but I think the accusations that DW has been sitting on his hands are unfounded.

DW and the org are notoriously tight lipped. Some of the highest profile trades in DWs tenure, specifically Jumbo, Heatley, and karlsson, seemingly came out of nowhere despite the players in question being superstars. And we are quibbling that there are no rumors about the sharks trying to sign a depth forward or D?

There also seems to be some thoughts that just because a player is a FA that he wants to play in SJ. Noting that DW signed ward and Martin "when he wanted to" omits the fact that ward was 35 and Martin was 34, both signed to multi year deals. Martin was bought out and ward deteriorated in his last season. Multi year deals to 35 year old players are heavily criticized on this board, as they should be.

It's more likely that the sharks poor performance, locker room issues, porous goaltending, and high state taxes are why notable FAs didn't sign here for a short deal. I wouldn't if I were a player trying to prove my worth on a one year deal
That math doesn't add up to me.

Heatley and Karlsson didn't come out of nowhere. They had been rumored for quite some time leading up to their trades. I agree with why they aren't getting anyone in the free agent market which is why they need to trade for someone or call this season what it is and close the door on those expectations. I don't really mind either direction but I do have an issue with a manager telling the players they have to earn improvements. That's just passing the buck. His job is to build the team to the best of his abilities and leaving clear gaps in the lineup with no real answers while saying something like that shows a lack of accountability at the top to me.

 

[ThorNton Apologist]

He does? How do you see that? Roslovic is at least a solid 3rd liner and given our team's depth, it's not a bad idea to have multiple options especially someone that we can be confident in centering the 3rd line over a huge maybe with limited offensive skills and a 2nd or later pick.

I’m high on Hatakka and his transition game. I don’t think much of Roslovic. He could be a good fit here but I’m not paying much to get him.

 

[tiburon12]

Heatley and Karlsson didn't come out of nowhere. They had been rumored for quite some time leading up to their trades. I agree with why they aren't getting anyone in the free agent market which is why they need to trade for someone or call this season what it is and close the door on those expectations. I don't really mind either direction but I do have an issue with a manager telling the players they have to earn improvements. That's just passing the buck. His job is to build the team to the best of his abilities and leaving clear gaps in the lineup with no real answers while saying something like that shows a lack of accountability at the top to me.

My recollection of Heatley and karlsson trades were that because the sharks made trades (ehrhoff and Hoffman, respectively) there was some speculation about them trading for those players, but the rumors were not as strong as other teams. Karlsson and Vegas or Tampa were much more likely options given the strength of the rumors. No credible articles on the web about sharks rumored to be in on those players that I could find

I do agree about the lack of accountability. I do wonder though if the uncertainty of the season (up until a few weeks ago) is to blame for some of the lack of movement. Its really not farfetched for the Sharks to make the playoffs in such a poor division, though if it's clear that isn't in the cards he needs to stop this in-between charade and go all in on rebuild or contend

 

[Pinkfloyd]

My recollection of Heatley and karlsson trades were that because the sharks made trades (ehrhoff and Hoffman, respectively) there was some speculation about them trading for those players, but the rumors were not as strong as other teams. Karlsson and Vegas or Tampa were much more likely options given the strength of the rumors.

I do agree about the lack of accountability. I do wonder though if the uncertainty of the season (up until a few weeks ago) is to blame for some of the lack of movement. Its really not farfetched for the Sharks to make the playoffs in such a poor division, though if it's clear that isn't in the cards he needs to stop this in-between charade and go all in on rebuild or contend

They may not name drop us a lot but it's a given that DW kicks tires on available players. I'm pretty sure one of the main rumor guys name dropped us at least once prior to the trades being made but we're not going to generate reader interest for them either. For Karlsson, we were in there by name as well as Dallas as well as Vegas and Tampa.

I can agree and accept DW saying the uncertainty is why people aren't being brought in but don't put it on the players to not fill spots left behind by guys you didn't convince to stay or bring in. I agree the playoffs aren't far-fetched either but not if your GM isn't looking to replace NHL talent in pivotal positions like 3C.

But then again DW says a lot of shit publicly then turns around and does something anyway so you have to sort of dismiss his words at times.

 

[Doctor Soraluce]

Word is they want defense. I’d trade Hatakka and a pick.

Word is they want a top 4 D-man. Not sure how they would fit someone under their already constrained cap though. Would love to dump Vlasic on them even if the Sharks retained. No way he approves a trade to Winn though. What a dump.

I’m high on Hatakka and his transition game. I don’t think much of Roslovic. He could be a good fit here but I’m not paying much to get him.

I would rather wait to see how the guys on the roster look in camp and the first 10 or so games before they go and trade anyone for Roslovic. Handy, Chem etc... one of them may end up being a better or at least more effective player at a lower salary. If they Sharks are going to use up their raining cap space I would rather they do it to acquire a legit top 6 player or at least someone who can legit challenge for the top 6.

I understand the frustration that the sharks seemingly haven't done anything, but I think the accusations that DW has been sitting on his hands are unfounded.

DW and the org are notoriously tight lipped. Some of the highest profile trades in DWs tenure, specifically Jumbo, Heatley, and karlsson, seemingly came out of nowhere despite the players in question being superstars. And we are quibbling that there are no rumors about the sharks trying to sign a depth forward or D?

There also seems to be some thoughts that just because a player is a FA that he wants to play in SJ. Noting that DW signed ward and Martin "when he wanted to" omits the fact that ward was 35 and Martin was 34, both signed to multi year deals. Martin was bought out and ward deteriorated in his last season. Multi year deals to 35 year old players are heavily criticized on this board, as they should be.

It's more likely that the sharks poor performance, locker room issues, porous goaltending, and high state taxes are why notable FAs didn't sign here for a short deal. I wouldn't if I were a player trying to prove my worth on a one year deal
That math doesn't add up to me.

All perfectly stated.

 

[Doctor Soraluce]

That's the best deal Hoffman has? Quite the risk with PTO until the start of the season if he gets injured beforehand. Particularly now with the shorted season previously, and the delayed start for this one.

He's only on PTO until they can put someone on LTIR, then he's signing (reportedly). It's just a paperwork thing because teams can't assign players to LTIR yet.

 

[tiburon12]

But then again DW says a lot of shit publicly then turns around and does something anyway so you have to sort of dismiss his words at times.

Setoguchi'd

If plan A is to save face and go for by hoping in-house players work out, then I hope he has a solid plan B

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