Prospect Info: 2020 1st Rd Selection - #15 OA - LW Rodion Amirov (RUS) - 6'0", 177lbs Part II

[Stephen]

Continue Rodion chat here.

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[BoredBrandonPridham]

 

[Antropovsky]

The suspense is killing me

 

[hot donut]

Someone on here mentioned something along the lines that either his team does not own a VHL affiliate to send him to, or that's it's like so far away and in the middle of nowhere that he'd essentially by "exiled" and not reasonably able to come back for road trips or injury replacements or anything like that.

Ufa's VHL affiliate, Toros Neftekamsk, is located in, well, Neftekamsk, about 3 hours from Ufa. So not right next door but not particularly far away either.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

The suspense is killing me

aw man. It’s the rod from the simpsons where homer goes into space

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Man of the week — Rodion Amirov
"Naturally, considering his play at the recent Karjala Cup tournament, Rodion is expected to be one of Team Russia leaders at the upcoming U20 WJC in Edmonton, Alberta. And with his strong play against men in Finland, Salavat Yulaev’s bench boss Tomi Lamsa will try and seek more space for him in Ufa’s lineup."

So that was a lie

 

[LeafChief]

Man of the week — Rodion Amirov
"Naturally, considering his play at the recent Karjala Cup tournament, Rodion is expected to be one of Team Russia leaders at the upcoming U20 WJC in Edmonton, Alberta. And with his strong play against men in Finland, Salavat Yulaev’s bench boss Tomi Lamsa will try and seek more space for him in Ufa’s lineup."

So that was a lie

 

[ponder]

Man of the week — Rodion Amirov
"Naturally, considering his play at the recent Karjala Cup tournament, Rodion is expected to be one of Team Russia leaders at the upcoming U20 WJC in Edmonton, Alberta. And with his strong play against men in Finland, Salavat Yulaev’s bench boss Tomi Lamsa will try and seek more space for him in Ufa’s lineup."

So that was a lie

In and out of the lineup, often minimal minutes, this is simply the norm for 19 year olds in the KHL. Look at the best Russian forwards in the league today:

• Ovechkin, the most talented and hyped Russian player in AGES, arguably ever, put up 13 goals, 13 assists in 37 games in his D+1 season in Russia. The very next year he put up 52 goals and 54 assists in the NHL
• Kucherov had 1 goal, 4 assists in 18 KHL games in his D+1
• Panarin didn’t find success in the KHL until his D+4 season - in his D+3 he put up 11 goals, 7 assists in 40 games

It’s a very tough league for youngsters, arguably even tougher than the NHL. It’s the 2nd best league in the world, and the large ice, and more cerebral/measured/defensive game means that teenagers almost always play a small role, if they play at all.

Doesn’t mean it’s bad for development though, TONNES of great players come out of Russia with the exact same experience. They get some ice time, work hard on their weaknesses in practice, and struggle but improve. Amirov is doing well for a 19 year old in the KHL, and this is a style of development that works well for lots of players.

 

[hot donut]

According to Lämsä (here is the Russian article), Amirov is currently injured, and is day-to-day.

 

[MapleLeafs9]

Howcome he hasn't played since that tournament? Ufa has played 3 games since then.

Edit: ah just saw the post above

 

[Chevboyarsky]

Bustirov

 

[Stephen]

In and out of the lineup, often minimal minutes, this is simply the norm for 19 year olds in the KHL. Look at the best Russian forwards in the league today:

• Ovechkin, the most talented and hyped Russian player in AGES, arguably ever, put up 13 goals, 13 assists in 37 games in his D+1 season in Russia. The very next year he put up 52 goals and 54 assists in the NHL
• Kucherov had 1 goal, 4 assists in 18 KHL games in his D+1
• Panarin didn’t find success in the KHL until his D+4 season - in his D+3 he put up 11 goals, 7 assists in 40 games

It’s a very tough league for youngsters, arguably even tougher than the NHL. It’s the 2nd best league in the world, and the large ice, and more cerebral/measured/defensive game means that teenagers almost always play a small role, if they play at all.

Doesn’t mean it’s bad for development though, TONNES of great players come out of Russia with the exact same experience. They get some ice time, work hard on their weaknesses in practice, and struggle but improve. Amirov is doing well for a 19 year old in the KHL, and this is a style of development that works well for lots of players.

Feels like the KHL is traditionally not a very nurturing league for the younger talent coming up. Not sure what the training is like, but certainly with the lack of ice time. It stands to reason - like why invest in developing a young kid with big upside and giving them minutes that could go to a more effective veteran if they are destined to move on to the NHL during their prime years?

 

[hamzarocks]

Looking like a solid pick. 6 in 19 might seem low at first glance but being a 19 year old in the KHL is like being a 16/17 year old at the WJCs. Barely get minutes with vets getting minutes due to experience.

I'm good with him taking another 2 years in the KHL if need be. The track record of russian players who played 2-4 years post draft in the KHL and came to the next to become great players is strong (kuznetsov, tarasenko, panarin(not drafted but 5 years in KHL)

This is a guy who will give us options when nylander and matthews are becoming UFAsin 4 years. If he lives up to ceiling he can replace nylanders production at that stage if nylander decides to walk.

Glad to have 2 wingers with 60+ point potential in amirov and robertson

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Looking like a solid pick. 6 in 19 might seem low at first glance but being a 19 year old in the KHL is like being a 16/17 year old at the WJCs. Barely get minutes with vets getting minutes due to experience.

I'm good with him taking another 2 years in the KHL if need be. The track record of russian players who played 2-4 years post draft in the KHL and came to the next to become great players is strong (kuznetsov, tarasenko, panarin(not drafted but 5 years in KHL)

This is a guy who will give us options when nylander and matthews are becoming UFAsin 4 years. If he lives up to ceiling he can replace nylanders production at that stage if nylander decides to walk.

Glad to have 2 wingers with 60+ point potential in amirov and robertson

I think I would probably prefer him to play for the Marlies next year, playing big minutes, getting acclimated to smaller ice and making the Marlies dominant.

Imagine a Marlies group with Amirov, Abramov, Abruzzese, SDA, Korshkov, Hallander up front. That is a talented forward group surrounded with some solid vets. Not sure if Hirvonen would be coming over soon.

 

[Antropovsky]

I think I would probably prefer him to play for the Marlies next year, playing big minutes, getting acclimated to smaller ice and making the Marlies dominant.

Imagine a Marlies group with Amirov, Abramov, Abruzzese, SDA, Korshkov, Hallander up front. That is a talented forward group surrounded with some solid vets. Not sure if Hirvonen would be coming over soon.

I can't imagine Korshkov playing 3 years of AHL hockey. Think he will go back to KHL if he isn't given a NHL position by the beginning of next season. (All depending on how many games are actually played this year)

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I can't imagine Korshkov playing 3 years of AHL hockey. Think he will go back to KHL if he isn't given a NHL position by the beginning of next season. (All depending on how many games are actually played this year)

That's probably accurate. If he was to though, that would be a pretty good AHL forward group

Amirov Brooks Korshkov
Hallander - Abramov Abruzzese
xxx - SDA- Brazeau

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

The suspense is killing me

finally fixed.

 

[Primary Assist]

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In Rod we trust!

 

[Mess]

Feels like the KHL is traditionally not a very nurturing league for the younger talent coming up. Not sure what the training is like, but certainly with the lack of ice time. It stands to reason - like why invest in developing a young kid with big upside and giving them minutes that could go to a more effective veteran if they are destined to move on to the NHL during their prime years?

The KHL doesn't view themselves as a development league for the NHL, in fact its the opposite at times where they decrease the playing time in an attempt to slow the loss of players seen as being stolen from their league.

In a perfect world they would love to keep promising young players and these young players often prefer to stay at home rather than play in the AHL. So its sometimes results in players coming to NA when they think they can have a chance to make the NHL.

 

[Stephen]

In Rod we trust!

Rodimus Prime?

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Rodimus Prime?

Too soon after reimer

 

[Wafflewhipper]

“You did cheat on your gay male lover with a lesbian while you were dressed in drag”

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Rodimus Prime?

Really..... this board has transformed in a bad way ha

 

[Fogelhund]

That's probably accurate. If he was to though, that would be a pretty good AHL forward group

Amirov Brooks Korshkov
Hallander - Abramov Abruzzese
xxx - SDA- Brazeau

While the kid has a ton of talent, it's not outside the realm of possibility, that Robertson ends up on the Marlies too.

In that case, it would be...

Robertson Brooks Korshkov
Amirov Abramov Abruzzese (Triple A line)
Hallander SDA Brazeau

That's a lot of forward talent in the AHL, though I'm not sure how they'd handle themselves, and might need more grit in there.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Bustirov