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Retroglyphs said:
No way is Bratt better than Kaprizov. Also, what has he achieved in his career in comparison to Kaprizov?
Same goes for Hornqvist, who is a beast on the ice & a player I'd definitely want to have on my team... but he doesn't even remotely possess Dadonov's offensive skillset.
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Nylander is better than Dadonov, but I admit Kaprisov might be better than Bratt, I have not watched him much. From what I have seen, Bratt is better, but he probably isn't.
 
I doubt, we'll win anything. Our KHL defensemen suck defensively, and our NHL defensemen aren't great as well. We'll add Zaitsev and Orlov, and even if Zaitsev looked decent in the playoffs for Toronto, Orlov's defensive game is suspicious at best.
 
AB13 said:
Everything is not about points, is it? Hörnqvist is one of the best players in the world in front of the keeper, always setting scenes and being a great team player, while working much harder defensively than Hörnqvist. None of our third pairings are awful, they are the 2 best in the tournament.

Larsson is a good two way defenseman who's had a bad year.

Hägg is better than Nesterov at everything, there is not a single thing in the game that Nesterov does better than Hägg.

Name me 5 defensemen better than Ekman Larsson if I am wrong.
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So Hörnqvist is a poor man's Kaprizov without scoring and driving the line?

Hägg is mistake prone as hell, just like Nesterov. What's so cool about him? It's a pain to watch at times how his other guy on the pairing has to bail him out.

And I can give you 3 swedish defencemen at least who are better than OEL. Hedman, Karlsson, Dahlin. Just stop it already. OEL is around fourth best swedish defenceman along with Klingberg. So you were right if you were talking about Swedes alone. But there is the rest of the world.
 
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Interesting game today with the half-squads, I only caught the first 2 periods.

Kucherov-Malkin-Gusev looked dangerous today, and showed some nice chemistry on Russia's first goal. Grigorenko had a good game and looked like he could be a capable bottom 6 guy for this team. Kovalchuk looked slow. Sergachev and Yeselin were the only passable D today, the rest had a poor performance.
 
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I honestly don't understand the Russian coaches' choice regarding the captain. I have always been considering Kovalchuk to be an exceptionally talented player who however lacks leadership skills and is rather difficult to coach. Playing for the "Sbornaya," he has often been undisciplined, taking needlessly lengthy shifts to the point that it became counterproductive etc. Playing for whatever club, it wasn't much better. I doubt he can be the proper captain.
 
BigBadBoar said:
I honestly don't understand the Russian coaches' choice regarding the captain. I have always been considering Kovalchuk to be an exceptionally talented player who however lacks leadership skills and is rather difficult to coach. Playing for the "Sbornaya," he has often been undisciplined, taking needlessly lengthy shifts to the point that it became counterproductive etc. Playing for whatever club, it wasn't much better. I doubt he can be the proper captain.
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I admire people who judge leadership skills without ever being in the locker room with the players.
 
Atas2000 said:
I admire people who judge leadership skills without ever being in the locker room with the players.
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Of course it is the impression which Kovalchuk made on me as a player, I don't know how he is in the locker room. But you probably cannot deny that he has been, say, a problematic player in several teams under several coaches - including in the LA this season.
 
BigBadBoar said:
Of course it is the impression which Kovalchuk made on me as a player, I don't know how he is in the locker room. But you probably cannot deny that he has been, say, a problematic player in several teams under several coaches - including in the LA this season.
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Actually I can.
 
Yesterdays game was the most boring hockey game i have seen...Russia looked like the played with a big hangover. 2 shift the Malkin line played up to normal and was spinning around Sweden but thats it...The D is terrible this team will need Provorov and Orlov...just terrible deffence (as normal) my god its like the KHL can not develope modern deffence player they are this teams weakest link by far...
 
BigBadBoar said:
Then you apparently don't want to see obvious things.
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It's more like you follow narratives and journalistic hypes rather than facts= obvious things.

You seriously tell me he had problems with Willie Desjardins of all people?
 
Atas2000 said:
It's more like you follow narratives and journalistic hypes rather than facts= obvious things.

You seriously tell me he had problems with Willie Desjardins of all people?
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Why then he was scratched multiple times, or struggled in the 4th line, being publicly criticised by the coach quite harshly. And it is not just about LA. The same thing when he played in the KHL. In the Russian national team, it was usually him who was taking absurdly lengthy shifts, turning the whole teams' pace down. I don't say he is not a very skilled forward, but honestly, he never presented himself as a leader nor even a team player on the ice. I don't know how he is as a person, but as a player, his work ethic during the game is rather terrible.
 
At this point, it looks like there will be an impressive offense, every bit of which will be needed to cover up for a remarkably unimpressive defense. Same old, same old!
 
Kshahdoo said:
It was vs Sweden, and I don't see Zaitsev and Orlov will improve it significantly.
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LOL#1 at saying Zaytsev and Orlov would not improve our D.

LOL#2 at taking some pre-tournament games seriously.

The NHL reinforced Czechs lost to a basically KHL finnish NT today. The Finns should totally plan the parade.

I am not saying our D is the best or claim some of our D-men to be top 5 in the world:sarcasm:, it's just not as awful as some pessimistic fans picture it to be.
 
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BigBadBoar said:
Why then he was scratched multiple times, or struggled in the 4th line, being publicly criticised by the coach quite harshly. And it is not just about LA. The same thing when he played in the KHL. In the Russian national team, it was usually him who was taking absurdly lengthy shifts, turning the whole teams' pace down. I don't say he is not a very skilled forward, but honestly, he never presented himself as a leader nor even a team player on the ice. I don't know how he is as a person, but as a player, his work ethic during the game is rather terrible.
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So a coach can do no wrong? Or how does it work? If a bad coach scratches a player he shouldn't scratch then what?

And oh, Ovechkin als struggled on a "4th line" under Oates. Why do you expect top 6 players to perform in a completely wrong role for them?

And guess what, there are bad coaches in the KHL too.
 
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lines from training

Sergachyov-Nesterov
Gusev – Malkin-Kucherov

Orlov-Zaitsev
Ovechkin-Kuznetsov-Dadonov

Khafizullin-Zub
Grigorenko-Anisimov-Kaprizov

Kiselevich-Yelesin
Kovalchuk-Andronov-Plotnikov
Telegin

PP lines

Sergachyov
Kucherov Gusev
Dadonov Malkin

Orlov
Grigorenko Ovechkin
Kaprizov Kuznetsov
 
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Khokhlach86 said:
lines from training

Sergachyov-Nesterov
Gusev – Malkin-Kucherov

Orlov-Zaitsev
Ovechkin-Kuznetsov-Dadonov

Khafizullin-Zub
Grigorenko-Anisimov-Kaprizov

Kiselevich-Yelesin
Kovalchuk-Andronov-Plotnikov
Telegin

PP lines

Sergachyov
Kucherov Gusev
Dadonov Malkin

Orlov
Grigorenko Ovechkin
Kaprizov Kuznetsov
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Yeah, exactly as predicted.
 
They say that our defence is not very strong.
What do you think, by their skills can these defenders be in the roster right now?
Alexei Emelin
Evgeni Medvedev
Andrei Mironov
Maxim Chudinov
Viktor Antipin
 
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