Prospect Info: 2019 Prospects PART 2

[Hodgy]

Yeah going from 25 to 66 points is **** growth lol. This season coming off surgery and playing for the hitmen. Who have the hitmen developed well? He's a wait until the AHL to evaluate

The old wait and see approach which, when later followed with “hindsight is 20/20”, completely stifles any meaningful discussion anyone could have regarding a prospect, which, coincidentally, is the purpose of these forums.

 

[Southern_Canuck]

Sat Dec 21

Utica 4 Rochester 3
Bachman 23 saves on 26 shots

Baertschi 6 (Boucher, Rafferty)
Arseneau 6 (Bailey, Rafferty)
Gadjovich 7 (Blujus, LeBlanc)
Juolevi 1 (Baertschi, Malone)

ECHL

Kalamazoo 4 Wheeling 2

S_C

 

[czechgame]

Plasek has made the WJC roster after the latest cuts

 

[Lindgren]

Plasek has made the WJC roster after the latest cuts

I hope you'll be giving us further updates on how Plasek is doing.

 

[UK Canuck]

Podkolzin had 1+1 in Russia's final warm up game vs Slovakia

 

[Horse McHindu]

Guillaume Brisebois:

Does Brisebois have a reasonable shot at being an NHL'er? While he's not lighting it up points wise, his +/- seems to be pretty impressive:

Here is what was written about him:

Guillaume Brisebois

Here's his +/-

I for one would love to see a legit heir apparent to Tanev on our team. Can Brisebois be that guy one day?

 

[dbaz]

+/- is a horrible stat to rely on. a bunch of it is luck.

 

[xtra]

+/- is a horrible stat to rely on. a bunch of it is luck.

Agreed; it’s not an effective method to judge a players defensive value because if it was it would be a death knell for everyone’s favorite #5 overall pick by your canucks who’s sitting at -11

 

[iceburg]

Agreed; it’s not an effective method to judge a players defensive value because if it was it would be a death knell for everyone’s favorite #5 overall pick by your canucks who’s sitting at -11

Perfect example. Wasn’t he a -2 recently because of two empty net goals?

 

[M2Beezy]

Perfect example. Wasn’t he a -2 recently because of two empty net goals?

No clue tbh

 

[czechgame]

Looks like he hasn’t been registered yet, but there are still 2 roster spots left.

I hope you'll be giving us further updates on how Plasek is doing.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Looks like he hasn’t been registered yet, but there are still 2 roster spots left.

I think he made it...surprisingly
Not sure if he’ll be a regular

 

[Horse McHindu]

The "uselessness" of +/-

I think there seems to be a misunderstanding. I never once said or implied that+/- was an "end all and be all" all-inclusive comprehensive stat that determined who were good players and bad players. I think most would agree that this isn't the case.

However - for the posters that have chosen to attack me in this thread [edit - situation resolved. Thank you Mods), I say this: Is +/- really as "useless" a stat as you're making it out to be?

Lets find out. Listed below, are the top 50 +/- players in the NHL. I will have to admit some things here:

1) I do not know every single player on this list.
2) There are some players on the list who I suspect are "good players" (to which I've highlighted in yellow).
3) There are some players on the list who might be good players, but that I have not circled due to me not knowing who they are.
4) Out of the 50 players listed here, there is one player on this list that I suspect is not very good (Jack Johnson). I could be wrong however.

So here we go...........

5) By my count, 36 of the above 50 can be considered to be "good" players in the NHL. Maybe slightly more.......maybe slightly less.

Based on the above, would it be a fair assumption to state that

1) +/-, while not an all inclusive all comprehensive stat on who is "good and bad" in the NHL, is far away from being a "uselss stat?"

2) +/- would not be tabulated by the NHL if all/most NHL experts agreed that +/- was completely useless?


Lets now look at comments from above, which lead to me being attacked in this thread:

I had written:

Does Brisebois have a reasonable shot at being an NHL'er? While he's not lighting it up points wise, his +/- seems to be pretty impressive:

Preface to posters: I had expressed this question because I do not watch the AHL, nor am I overly familiar with how Brisebois looks.

From the stats, all I could infer was that Brisebois, while not an offensive power house, had an impressive +/-.......which may or may not mean that Brisebois is an extremely responsible "defensive defenseman." Again - I do not know. Hence - why I asked the question.


@Grantham

 

[czechgame]

 

[Southern_Canuck]

Thu Dec 26

IIHF

Czech 4 Russia 3
Plasek did not play
Podkolzin 1 goal (1st)

Sweden 3 Finland 2 (OT)
Hoglander 1 goal (1st), 1 assist
Utunen 0 points

Fri Dec 27

IIHF

Finland 8 Slovakia 1
Utunen 0 points

Czech 3 Germany 4
Plasek 0 points

AHL

Hershey 6 Utica 5 (OT)
DiPietro 6 saves on 9 shots (pulled after the 3rd goal, McIntyre 18 saves on 21 shots)

Arseneau 7 (Gadjovich, Bancks)
Malone 2 (Juolevi, Arseneau)
Camper 4 (Boucher, Juolevi)
Jasek 8 (Bailey, Lind)
Jasek 9 (Bailey)

ECHL

Indy 3 Kalamazoo 7

WHL

Calgary 4 Lethbridge 5 (OT)
Woo 1 goal (5th), +1
Focht 0 points, even

Sat Dec 28

IIHF

Switzerland 2 Sweden 5
Hoglander 1 goal (2nd), 1 assist

Russia 6 Canada 0
Podkolzin 0 points

AHL

Utica 4 Lehigh Valley 2
DiPietro 22 saves on 24 shots

Lind 10 (Juolevi, Jasek)
Hamilton 2 (Juolevi, Boucher)
Bailey 11
Baertschi 7 (EN)

ECHL

Fort Wayne 2 Kalamazoo 3 (OT)
Kielly 42 saves on 44 shots

NCAA

Arizona State 1 Harvard 4
Rathbone 0 points, +1

OHL

Sarnia 1 Flint 4
Keppen 2 assists, +2

Oshawa 6 Barrie 5 (OT)
Silovs 12 saves on 15 shots (pulled after the 3rd goal)

WHL

Calgary 1 Medicine Hat 3
Woo 0 points, -2
Focht 1 assist, +1

Sun Dec 29

IIHF

Kazakhstan 1 Finland 7
Utunen 1 assist

USA at Russia
Podkolzin

NCAA

Arizona State at Harvard
Rathbone

American International at Maine
Thiessen

S_C

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Juolevi has been good the past few weeks

 

[Southern_Canuck]

Sun Dec 29

IIHF

Kazakhstan 1 Finland 7
Utunen 1 assist

USA 3 Russia 1
Podkolzin 0 points

ECHL

Kalamazoo 5 Fort Wayne 4

NCAA

Arizona State 4 Harvard 4
Rathbone 1 goal (4th), +1

American International 1 Maine 5
Thiessen did not play

OHL

Windsor 5 Flint 2
Keppen 0 points, -1

Barrie 4 Owen Sound 3
Silovs was the back-up (starter Jet Greaves was the 1st star with 52 saves on 55 shots)

S_C

 

[Svencouver]

Woo and Focht are having a pretty good game tonight against EDM

 

[Svencouver]

Woo was excellent tonight on the PP. Got two points QBing that I saw. Set up a tic tac toe with some great vision and a perfect pass from the point and got a wrister tipped in on a great shot. I think he was the PP1 QB, not sure if he has been for a while now or if this was his first look there, I haven't been following them and only caught this game on TV since I just so happen to be in Calgary. I know he wasn't getting as much PP1 time this year which was described as part of the reason he wasn't putting up as many points iirc

He was solid outside of the pp too. Decent edges, great passing, and is pretty strong on the puck. Hes very adept at throwing his weight around to his advantage to knock players off the puck. Will have to translate it to the next level where people are stronger and bigger, but for now the technique and awareness is there when it comes to the physical game.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Do NCAA players often not play in the WJCs for some reason? Norway's leading scorer from last season, Emilio Petterson, isn't on the team this year and is playing for Denver.

 

[The Iron Goalie]

@Svencouver Igor Zamula (currently at the WJC) is Calgary's PP1 QB normally. Woo will lose that spot when he returns, and his production will likely suffer as a result. Calgary plays Woo as their #1 shutdown option, while Zamula is the go too offensive D.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

@Svencouver Igor Zamula (currently at the WJC) is Calgary's PP1 QB normally. Woo will lose that spot when he returns, and his production will likely suffer as a result. Calgary plays Woo as their #1 shutdown option, while Zamula is the go too offensive D.

Zamula has been impressive in the tournament. Excellent puck carrier, good wheels.

 

[Svencouver]

@Svencouver Igor Zamula (currently at the WJC) is Calgary's PP1 QB normally. Woo will lose that spot when he returns, and his production will likely suffer as a result. Calgary plays Woo as their #1 shutdown option, while Zamula is the go too offensive D.

Ah gotcha gotcha. Tyvm. Not a bad opportunity for Jett to show he's still got it on the PP

 

[Southern_Canuck]

Mon Dec 30

IIHF

Kazakhstan 2 Sweden 6
Hoglander 1 goal (3rd), 1 assist

USA 4 Czech 3 (OT)
Plasek 1 assist

NCAA

Ferris State 1 Michigan 4
Lockwood 1 goal (5th), 1 assist, +2

WHL

Edmonton 3 Calgary 5
Woo 1 goal (6th), 1 assist, even
Focht 1 goal (17th), +1

S_C

 

[Hodgy]

Do NCAA players often not play in the WJCs for some reason? Norway's leading scorer from last season, Emilio Petterson, isn't on the team this year and is playing for Denver.

I wonder if he declined? I know the Czech’s used to punish players from playing in the CHL by not selecting them to their World Juniors team but I am not sure about Norway.