Prospect Info: 2019 Prospects PART 2

[Breakers]

Heres the play I was talking about.

 

[Hodgy]

Weak. If it’s true and not just something you think should be true, prove it rather than running around in circles.

But it isn't just something I think, it is something that is supported by logic. Frankly, I agree with most posters who have pointed out reasons why the correlation isn't likely overly strong between draft position and likelihood of making the WJCs, but that doesn't mean there isn't a correlation. Plus, my point from the very beginning was draft position plus number of picks had an impact on number of players in the WJCs the following year, not just draft position.

i think the highest chance would come for a team that tended to draft from smaller hockey countries in later rounds. if you draft a slovak player in any round and he does not make the wjc that is kind of disappointing .

it's a fairly random stat really. the fact jasek played in 3 wjc tournaments does not tell you much about canuck drafting.

I agree, this certainly is the case. And as stated above, my point was never that there was a strong correlation between draft position and likelihood of playing in the WJCs, only that there was a correlation. But in any event, unless a team targets players in late rounds from countries with less hockey depth in the WJCs, this would likely even out over time.

I don't think that's as obvious as you're making it out to be. For one, a high pick might well be in the nhl and not participating. For another, nationality plays a huge factor as its easier to make some teams than others.

I would guess the correlation is actually not that strong.

See above, I don't disagree.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

I concede that my original post wasn't clear in terms of the bottom ten finish. Although. as stated earlier, a WJC can only be affected by the previous year's standings and draft position, and not any future draft.

I disagree that there isn't any correlation between draft position and number of players in the following WJC - this flies in the face of logic. I don't disagree with the factors that you have raised; however, which would go to the strength of the correlation. However, over time, one would expect these to even out.

And yes, it absolutely is reasonable to criticize a team that has been terrible for a long period of time for not acquiring more picks. It isn't hard for bad teams to acquire picks at the deadline. Good teams will always be looking for decent players on expiring contracts; it is the nature of the capped NHL system. When a bad "rebuilding" team can't acquire picks at the deadline its means that the manager is incompetent. The Leafs, in one rebuilding season, basically acquired more picks than Jim Benning has in his whole tenure here.

The Leafs acquired picks but so what? In the last 7 drafts the only players on their roster besides the big 3 are Travis Dermott, Andreas Johansson, and Dimitri Timashov. Zero impact players.

Benning got Demko and Gaudette. Would you trade our 2 for their 3? Not a chance.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

The Leafs acquired picks but so what? In the last 7 drafts the only players on their roster besides the big 3 are Travis Dermott, Andreas Johansson, and Dimitri Timashov. Zero impact players.

Benning got Demko and Gaudette. Would you trade our 2 for their 3? Not a chance.

Johansson is hardly chump change - he had 20 goals and 43 points last year. That’s stellar production for a 7th round draft pick, and a larger contribution than either Gaudette or Demko has made. And Dermott has been a productive defender, too.

I’m not saying Gaudette and Demko can’t be better long term, but the distance between our guys and theirs isn’t what you seem to think it is right now.

 

[Hit the post]

Other than Mikey DiPietro, it's so long since the Canucks have had an impact player on Team Canada

2009 WJC (Gold medal Canada). Leader in points for tournament: Cody Hodgson. (Just 5 years before Benning was hired).

 

[Pip]

Johansson is hardly chump change - he had 20 goals and 43 points last year. That’s stellar production for a 7th round draft pick, and a larger contribution than either Gaudette or Demko has made. And Dermott has been a productive defender, too.

I’m not saying Gaudette and Demko can’t be better long term, but the distance between our guys and theirs isn’t what you seem to think it is right now.

agreed. Bizarre take from RMB. Those are 3 quality players for the Leafs.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

Johansson is hardly chump change - he had 20 goals and 43 points last year. That’s stellar production for a 7th round draft pick, and a larger contribution than either Gaudette or Demko has made. And Dermott has been a productive defender, too.

I’m not saying Gaudette and Demko can’t be better long term, but the distance between our guys and theirs isn’t what you seem to think it is right now.

you didn’t answer the question. Would you trade our 2 for their 3?

and 40 points playing with Matthews and getting top 6 minutes is not great

 

[701]

Rathbone had a beautiful assist in the game I am watching.

it's the nicest play I have ever seen him make.
Harvard getting destroyed otherwise in the game. Not going to watch the 3rd period.

On the bright side of things, our guy Malone got 2 assists for Cornell, who beat Harvard 3-1.

 

[JT Milker]

you didn’t answer the question. Would you trade our 2 for their 3?

and 40 points playing with Matthews and getting top 6 minutes is not great

Easily.

 

[Hodgy]

Easily.

Conversely, there is zero chance that the Leafs make that trade. They have Frederick Andersen locked up long term and don't need Demko who actually probably isn't worth a ton right now, so they wouldn't even consider trading for him and Gaudette.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

Jonah Gadjovich scored his fifth goal in just nine games with this bomb from the outer circle last night.

 

[Southern_Canuck]

Fri Dec 6

AHL

Bridgeport 5 Utica 4 (SO)
McIntyre 36 saves on 40 shots (2 stops on 3 shots in SO)

Brisebois 2 (Camper)
Gadjovich 5 (Juolevi, Perron) (PP)
Bailey 7 (Camper, Lind)
Boucher 16 (Baertschi)

Shootout:
Sven Baertschi - no goal
Kole Lind - no goal
Reid Boucher - no goal

ECHL

Kalamazoo 2 Wheeling 6

NCAA

Maine 1 Massachusetts 5
Thiessen did not play

Penn State 1 Michigan 4
Lockwood 1 assist, +1

Cornell 3 Harvard 1
Malone 2 assists, +2
Rathbone 1 assist, even

OHL

Flint 5 Sudbury 8
Keppen 0 points, -1

Barrie 0 Guelph 4
Silovs was the back-up

WHL

Edmonton 4 Calgary 2
Woo 0 points, even
Focht 0 points, even

S_C

 

[Lindgren]

Utunen had only about three minutes in his Liiga match today. I hope that doesn't mean he's hurt (if so, lousy timing for those hoping for a WJC appearance).

 

[VanJack]

McDonough with another goal (his fifth) in Northeastern's 6-3 loss to Boston U....Madden held pointless....McDonough is having a nice freshman season so far.....another late round Brackett USHL special?

 

[canucks20]

The Leafs acquired picks but so what? In the last 7 drafts the only players on their roster besides the big 3 are Travis Dermott, Andreas Johansson, and Dimitri Timashov. Zero impact players.

Benning got Demko and Gaudette. Would you trade our 2 for their 3? Not a chance.

Umm yes and I hate the Leafs. If the Canucks had Dermott and Johnsson you'd be singing a different tune about them. You may want to watch those players before you hate on them

 

[Hodgy]

McDonough with another goal (his fifth) in Northeastern's 6-3 loss to Boston U....Madden held pointless....McDonough is having a nice freshman season so far.....another late round Brackett USHL special?

It has gotten to the point where we should almost just solely draft from the NCAA....

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

It has gotten to the point where we should almost just solely draft from the NCAA....

And Sweden.

It feels like we definitely enjoy most of our drafting success from those two regions, with a few exceptions sprinkled in.

 

[Hodgy]

And Sweden.

It feels like we definitely enjoy most of our drafting success from those two regions, with a few exceptions sprinkled in.

Yes, that's right. OHL has been pretty good too.

 

[Southern_Canuck]

Sat Dec 7

AHL

Utica 2 Providence 3 (SO)
Bachman 41 saves on 43 shots (2 stops on 3 shots in the SO)

Bailey 8 (Boucher, Juolevi) (PP)
Boucher 17 (Juolevi)

Shootout:
Francis Perron - no goal
Sven Baertschi - no goal
Reid Boucher - no goal

ECHL

Kalamazoo 4 Wheeling 1
Kielly 24 saves on 25 shots

NCAA

Maine 1 Massachusetts 4
Thiessen did not play

Northeastern 3 Boston University 6
Madden 0 points, -1
McDonough 1 goal (5th), -1

Penn State 3 Michigan 1
Lockwood 0 points, -2

Cornell 1 Dartmouth 2
Malone 0 points, even

Colgate 4 Harvard 3 (OT)
Rathbone 1 assist, even

WHL

Calgary 3 Edmonton 2 (OT)
Woo 1 goal (4th), +1 (selected 3rd star)
Focht 0 points, -1

S_C

 

[Yultron]

Sat Dec 7

AHL

Utica 2 Providence 3 (SO)
Bachman 41 saves on 43 shots (2 stops on 3 shots in the SO)

Bailey 8 (Boucher, Juolevi) (PP)
Boucher 17 (Juolevi)

Shootout:
Francis Perron - no goal
Sven Baertschi - no goal
Reid Boucher - no goal

ECHL

Kalamazoo 4 Wheeling 1
Kielly 24 saves on 25 shots

NCAA

Maine 1 Massachusetts 4
Thiessen did not play

Northeastern 3 Boston University 6
Madden 0 points, -1
McDonough 1 goal (5th), -1

Penn State 3 Michigan 1
Lockwood 0 points, -2

Cornell 1 Dartmouth 2
Malone 0 points, even

Colgate 4 Harvard 3 (OT)
Rathbone 1 assist, even

WHL

Calgary 3 Edmonton 2 (OT)
Woo 1 goal (4th), +1 (selected 3rd star)
Focht 0 points, -1

S_C

Once again thank you so much for doing this

 

[WetcoastOrca]

The much maligned Juolevi keeps racking up the points. If he ever figures out the defensive side of the game and stays healthy we could finally have something.

 

[wetcoast]

The much maligned Juolevi keeps racking up the points. If he ever figures out the defensive side of the game and stays healthy we could finally have something.

That's a big if though, the rest of his draft class, ie those players taken around him are so much further ahead in their development right now.

The best case scenario right now is maybe a $5 NHL Dman who becomes a PP specialist?

 

[vanuck]

That's a big if though, the rest of his draft class, ie those players taken around him are so much further ahead in their development right now.

The best case scenario right now is maybe a $5 NHL Dman who becomes a PP specialist?

Yeah just because you can put up a lot of points in the AHL doesn't necessarily mean you'll succeed as an NHL'er - look at Pouliot for instance who's a big scorer down there and yet couldn't hack it in the bigs.

 

[Southern_Canuck]

Sun Dec 8

OHL

Flint 5 North Bay 3
Keppen 1 goal (9th), -1

Barrie 3 Sudbury 5
Silovs 21 saves on 25 shots

WHL

Everett 6 Calgary 3
Woo 0 points, -3
Focht 1 assist, -2

S_C

 

[Bad Goalie]

Yeah just because you can put up a lot of points in the AHL doesn't necessarily mean you'll succeed as an NHL'er - look at Pouliot for instance who's a big scorer down there and yet couldn't hack it in the bigs.

TJ Brennan is another shining example.

If he keeps playing D the way he has been lately, Rafferty may be another. Remember the points rung up by the AHL All-Star, Jordan Subban?

One of the best D-men to wear a Comets jersey, Bobby Sanguinetti, is yet another example.