Pre-Game Talk: 2019 NHL Draft, Pt. V: Got your ticket? (Mod note in pinned post)

[BeardyCanuck03]

Being able to "rip the puck" is a desirable trait given that time and space are always hard to come by, especially in the playoffs, and goal-scoring is obviously at a premium. While there is the potential for misses (with any draft by any scout) it's a reasonable thing to prioritize IMHO. Of course if ripping the puck is all a guy can do (can't skate or has tunnel vision) that would drop him.

Q. Hughes is a good example of an exception. The Canucks had him at #3 but he can hardly shoot (nor has size). But has IQ in spades. Clearly the Canucks value that as well.

Both Pettersson and Boeser can rip the puck, BUT I would say that they both need to work on speeding up their releases. Both of them struggled with not having enough time and space at times this past season.

I'd rather a forward focuses on having a deceptive, quick release more than just pure power.

 

[sting101]

Podkolzin is a great player, I'd be very happy with him at 10 as long as he's doesn't interview horribly. Elite skill, incredible motor, he's a skate-and-shoot guy first and foremost but I've no concerns about his awareness or playmaking ability, he's shown great anticipation and vision including in the VHL and is always influencing the play against men which few young players are able to do.

My final list looks something like this:

1. Hughes
2. Kakko

3. Turcotte
4. Boldy
5. Podkolzin
6. Zegras
7. Byram
8. Newhook
9. Dach

10. Caufield
11. Broberg
12. York
13. Thomson
14. Krebs
15. Cozens
16. Soderstrom
17. Heinola
18. Brink
19. Lavoie
20. Kaliyev

Interesting list.
i like how you tiered them and i dont want to nit pick because you obviously have your reasons and i have no idea how much exposure you have had to those 20 but i do have a few questions.

What are the seperating qualities of Newhook vs Krebs for you that make one a 1st liner vs 2nd liner?
What makes Podkolzin a 1st line talent as opposed to Cozens a 2nd also?
Putting Byram only 4 spots ahead of Broberg is that a complement to Broberg or a slight to Byram and what are the components that you think Byram lacks to be as low as 7 and the one's Broberg lacks to not be as good as Byram considering you have only 4 spots seperating the 2?

 

[TruGr1t]

When a reporter attributes a vague sentiment to the front office, it probably shouldn't be used to extrapolate with supposed near-certainty about what management plans to do or what their priorities are.

Thanks for the tip. Given this is a discussion board, however, our preference is to extrapolate and pontificate on the information available. I'm sure you're shocked there's a sub-forum called "Trades and Rumors." Maybe you're in the wrong place.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Thanks for the tip. Given this is a discussion board, however, our preference is to extrapolate and pontificate on the information available. I'm sure you're shocked there's a sub-forum called "Trades and Rumors." Maybe you're in the wrong place.

When the statement was posted here, a bunch of people immediately drew unjustified conclusions from it in support of their entrenched views and attacked anyone who argued it did not constitute real evidence of anything. I don't dislike rumours -- I dislike pointless, inchoate rage on the part of people who are far too emotionally invested in unimportant events.

 

[TruGr1t]

When the statement was posted here, a bunch of people immediately drew unjustified conclusions from it in support of their entrenched views and attacked anyone who argued it did not constitute real evidence of anything. I don't dislike rumours -- I dislike pointless, inchoate rage on the part of people who are far too emotionally invested in unimportant events.

Don't see why you quoted me then. I'm just trying to put the pieces together in terms of likely available players at 10 OA. I think there is some justified smoke emerging around our prospective draft list.

In addition, JD Burke discusses some options at our spot in the Rink Wide Podcast this week. He really likes Krebs, and interestingly, would still take Podkolzin over Boldy.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Don't see why you quoted me then. I'm just trying to put the pieces together in terms of likely available players at 10 OA. I think there is some justified smoke emerging around our prospective draft list.

Fair enough. You happened to mention it. But I see taking for granted that the statement was particularly meaningful at all is the sort of attitude that permits the sort of unhinged fundamentalist view of rumours that predominates. A guy said that another guy associated with the team said, probably at some point in the course of saying a bunch of other things, that the Canucks are prioritizing speed. I feel like anyone connected to any team's scouting staff could have and probably has said that. It's largely a question of who hears it and what they believe they need to say to drive traffic to their social media. It means something, just very, very little.

 

[duplo]

Uh, cool. Anyways, there's some specific moments in the video where you can make some educated guesses on who they're talking about:

1:20 - "Separating skill, constant directness" - Newhook?

2:20 - "Only concern with him, how hard he competes at his size, a little careless through the middle sometimes." - 100% sure they're talking about Dach here. He's been caught with his head down and has gotten blown up a couple of times in the neutral zone. Jett Woo got him a couple of times.

3:13 - "He has to grow, he has to mature, but he drives the bus. When he's going, we're going." - Really sounds like Krebs.

3:21 - "This guy is explosive with power, can play anywhere in your lineup." - This describes Cozens to me. North/south skater like Virtanen but a more heady player who can play center or wing up and down your lineup.

 

[Hansen]

I was trying to listen to their takes and opinions but my attention was drawn into the black hole that is Benning's hair. How is it even blacker than before??

 

[Tryforthekingdom]

Uh, cool. Anyways, there's some specific moments in the video where you can make some educated guesses on who they're talking about:

1:20 - "Separating skill, constant directness" - Newhook?

I figured this was Podkolzin, he's probably the guy who attacks defenders the hardest of players in the Canucks area of the 1st.

2:20 - "Only concern with him, how hard he competes at his size, a little careless through the middle sometimes." - 100% sure they're talking about Dach here. He's been caught with his head down and has gotten blown up a couple of times in the neutral zone. Jett Woo got him a couple of times.

I figured the "at his size" was referring to a smaller player who still mucks it up and puts his body on the line. Seems most like Turcotte.

3:13 - "He has to grow, he has to mature, but he drives the bus. When he's going, we're going." - Really sounds like Krebs.
Last two seem a lot more vague, could be Zegras, Newhook, Hughes, Krebs, Brink, here? Who knows?

3:21 - "This guy is explosive with power, can play anywhere in your lineup." - This describes Cozens to me. North/south skaterlike Virtanen but a more heady player who can play any center or wing up and down your lineup.
Maybe Cozens, or Podkolzin again.
Always fun trying to guess from small tidbits.

 

[Quinning]

I was trying to listen to their takes and opinions but my attention was drawn into the black hole that is Benning's hair. How is it even blacker than before??

Must be all the Smart Food

 

[Knight53]

Krebs or Newhook.

Feel like Brackett was talking about Newhook a lot in that video.

Hoping for Krebs to be there for us.

 

[clay]

Uh, cool. Anyways, there's some specific moments in the video where you can make some educated guesses on who they're talking about:

1:20 - "Separating skill, constant directness" - Newhook?

2:20 - "Only concern with him, how hard he competes at his size, a little careless through the middle sometimes." - 100% sure they're talking about Dach here. He's been caught with his head down and has gotten blown up a couple of times in the neutral zone. Jett Woo got him a couple of times.

3:13 - "He has to grow, he has to mature, but he drives the bus. When he's going, we're going." - Really sounds like Krebs.

3:21 - "This guy is explosive with power, can play anywhere in your lineup." - This describes Cozens to me. North/south skaterlike Virtanen but a more heady player who can play any center or wing up and down your lineup.

Pretty sure he’s talking about Newhook at 2:20, not Dach. He’s talking about compete as though he has a ton of it for his size - Dach is known to be a floater. Also, the way he refers to how good he is and quick he is and how he’s significantly better than others screams Newhook.

 

[duplo]

Pretty sure he’s talking about Newhook at 2:20, not Dach. He’s talking about compete as though he has a ton of it for his size - Dach is known to be a floater. Also, the way he refers to how good he good and quick he is and how he’s significantly better than others screams Newhook.

Ah good call, I took the quote as questioning his compete level despite his big frame but he could completely mean the opposite.

 

[nowhereman]

Funny how HFBoards was convinced the Canucks would screw this pick up by picking for need. Yet, the entire management team is going off about taking the best player available and NOT picking for need (unless both line up).

 

[rypper]

I was trying to listen to their takes and opinions but my attention was drawn into the black hole that is Benning's hair. How is it even blacker than before??

He always applies a fresh coat of grease prior to the draft.

 

[TruGr1t]

Funny how HFBoards was convinced the Canucks would screw this pick up by picking for need. Yet, the entire management team is going off about taking the best player available and NOT picking for need (unless both line up).

That was all based on a horribly-written Kuzma article that effectively butchered a Benning quote to make it sound like he was drafting a defenseman. Blame bad writing.

 

[nowhereman]

That was all based on a horribly-written Kuzma article that effectively butchered a Benning quote to make it sound like he was drafting a defenseman. Blame bad writing.

Well, Benning does a good enough job screwing up his own quotes, since his public speaking skills are on par with Jethro from The Beverly Hillbillies. I won't believe anything I read until the Canucks announce their guy on draft day.

 

[Love]

Feels like our management team wants Newhook, Krebs, or Cozens.

 

[nowhereman]

Feels like our management team wants Newhook, Krebs, or Cozens.

I'd be happy with any of them, especially Cozens. Just not a defenseman.

 

[GetFocht]

What they said in that video could have been applied for a multiple players, they could have been talking about players they were picking in the 4th round for all we know.

I would be happy if leave this draft with Broberg and Puistola.

 

[Cupless44]

What they said in that video could have been applied for a multiple players, they could have been talking about players they were picking in the 4th round for all we know.

I would be happy if leave this draft with Broberg and Puistola.

I think Puistola's stock has risen too much to be there at 40.

 

[GetFocht]

I think Puistola's stock has risen too much to be there at 40.

It's hard to determine, his current rankings from other sources are:

Dobber Prospects: #42
Elite Prospects: #41
Future Considerations: #42
Hockey Prospect: #57
NHL Central Scouting (European only): #28

He's not even ranked in Bob Mckenzie's consolidated list.

However, we do know that teams always have their own list of rankings.

 

[clay]

Feels like our management team wants Newhook, Krebs, or Cozens.

Would be completely fine with any of those three.

 

[timw33]

Bracket also talks up the strength of the Western and US prospects so that's probably a pretty big tip of their hand that we're looking at the Boldy/Caufield/Zegras/Dach/Cozens/Krebs/Newhook group.

Credit where credits due though, I am relieved to hear Weisbrod's thoughts on BPA over positional need and how in some cases it intersects with where you pick and that's great.

 

[VanJack]

If the Canucks go BPA at #10, then they pick one of the forwards that'll inevitably drop. If they draft for 'need', then it's a d-man. Hopefully they learned a lesson with the Juolevi pick.