BringTheReign
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Watching Kakko's highlights from IIHF are making me re-experience this nightmare of a season all over again.
Prospect Info: 2019 Draft Discussion: LA Kings pick 5th, 22nd overall
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Wonder if Edmonton would trade 8/38 for 5.
Kings could get Caufield and an extra pick.
Edmonton can draft Dach.
Kings could get Caufield and an extra pick.
Edmonton can draft Dach.
johnjm22
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If Byram isn't there at 5, which he likely won't be, then I'd be totally fine trading down a few spots in exchange for another 2nd.
Ziggy Stardust
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I feel like with Caufield likely going higher than Brink, it's entirely possible for the Kings to nab him with the second pick should they feel the need to select a sniper. They don't have any of those types of player in the system.
johnjm22
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Kaliyev is another sniper type that could be there at 22.
They say there's questions about his effort, but I haven't seen any specific critques. The critisms of him are always vague.
All the other players that accomplished what he did (50 goals at 17 years of age), all turned into solid NHLers at the very least.
And it's not like he was playing on a stacked team. Hamilton wasn't very good. Only a couple other players on the team scored at a point per game pace. No one else on the team even had more than 28 goals. Kaliyev had 51.
They say there's questions about his effort, but I haven't seen any specific critques. The critisms of him are always vague.
All the other players that accomplished what he did (50 goals at 17 years of age), all turned into solid NHLers at the very least.
And it's not like he was playing on a stacked team. Hamilton wasn't very good. Only a couple other players on the team scored at a point per game pace. No one else on the team even had more than 28 goals. Kaliyev had 51.
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My hot take is I like Kaliyev more than Podkolzin.
Value I should say
Value I should say
johnjm22
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Another player I like is Newhook. I think he's underrated. I understand people are scared away by the BCHL thing, but he looked just as good, if not better, than Canda's other top prospects in the U18's. I also like that he's comitted to BC.
If the Kings traded down, I would be happy with him.
If the Kings traded down, I would be happy with him.
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It kind of bugs me because the Kings seem to be right behind the top-tier of guys and their 2nd pick seems to be right behind this sneaky-good tier of guys including Newhook and Kaliyev and Seider. I'd love him.
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So...Ranger fans be like "we're getting Kakko!" and come to find out June 21...they're not! NJ should take him.
johnjm22
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I feel you, but I bet they'll be a player available to us at 22 that nobody is expecting. That just seems to be the way the draft works.
Probably, but no way to know for sure. A couple scouting services have him ranked 28th. Another one has him 19th.
Reaper45
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Oh for sure. Someone is going to take their guy at 13 or whatever and throw everyones list off.
Ziggy Stardust
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It's imperative for the future success of this team to hit on two NHL caliber players with these first round selections. And I'm not talking about landing another Derek Forbort or Dave Steckel. They need young players who can be groomed into leaders who can help steer this team in the right direction, not some healthy bodies who can take on a limited role.
Clearly, this type of impact won't be felt until these players mature into their early 20s, but we are seeing more and more players graduate to the NHL and provide an impact one to two years removed from their draft years.
Look at Matthew Tkachuk, selected 6th overall in 2016, makes his debut that same season, and has improved immensely ever since. At 21 years of age, he put up 34 goals and 77 points.
Charlie McAvoy was taken in the same draft, 14th overall, and is arguably Boston's best defenseman at 21. They also landed Jake DeBrusk and Brandon Carlo in the first two rounds in the previous draft, and look at the Bruins now.
This is why some of us keep banging that drum (with lots of frustration), when discussing the importance of finding success at the draft. It's an imperfect process, but the more picks you have, the more likely you are to find talent with one or two of these selections.
Clearly, this type of impact won't be felt until these players mature into their early 20s, but we are seeing more and more players graduate to the NHL and provide an impact one to two years removed from their draft years.
Look at Matthew Tkachuk, selected 6th overall in 2016, makes his debut that same season, and has improved immensely ever since. At 21 years of age, he put up 34 goals and 77 points.
Charlie McAvoy was taken in the same draft, 14th overall, and is arguably Boston's best defenseman at 21. They also landed Jake DeBrusk and Brandon Carlo in the first two rounds in the previous draft, and look at the Bruins now.
This is why some of us keep banging that drum (with lots of frustration), when discussing the importance of finding success at the draft. It's an imperfect process, but the more picks you have, the more likely you are to find talent with one or two of these selections.
johnjm22
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The chances of them landing two impact NHL players with both these picks are probably pretty slim.
I mean it does happen, but it's pretty rare.
The Kings have 10 picks IIRC. If they land 1 excellent NHLer, and 2 good solid NHLer's it will be a great draft.
Ziggy Stardust
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Completely agree there. I think for the turnaround to accelerate, they need to find two guys who can play integral roles.
Having back-to-back successful drafts is also very important. Take the Sharks as an example, landing Timo Meier at 9th in 2015, and pulling a horseshoe out of their butts with Kevin Labanc in the 6th round in 2014, two players in back-to-back years who both are big offensive contributors to the team.
God willing Vilardi bounces back, him and Jaret Anderson-Dolan, coupled with Kupari and Grundstrom, the potential is there for the Kings to get right back on the saddle in another year or two. And to digress a bit from hanging our hopes on rookies; seeing a guy like Joe Thornton do what he's doing at 39 or Justin Williams at 37 gives me hope that Kopitar will still be a useful player throughout the life of his contract.
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johnjm22
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Since 2008 these are all the times teams have had multiple 1st round picks:
Pretty rare to get more than one good player in the 1st round in a single draft.
These were probably the best drafts:
St. Louis 2010: Tarasenko, Schwartz.
Capitals 2012: Wilson, Forsberg
Islanders 2015: Barzal, Beauvillier
These were probably the best drafts:
St. Louis 2010: Tarasenko, Schwartz.
Capitals 2012: Wilson, Forsberg
Islanders 2015: Barzal, Beauvillier
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Depends how one would define 'good' but, Nuge and Klefbom is alright. Because Nuge was 1st overall, the expectation is raised.
The Ducks getting Jones and Steel in 16' could turn out for them. Early days on that one though.
Chabot/White and Keller and Chychrun is looking pretty good.
Some of the recent ones, say 2016 to now, they jury is still out but, the potential is there (eg: Vegas 3 1sts).
The Ducks getting Jones and Steel in 16' could turn out for them. Early days on that one though.
Chabot/White and Keller and Chychrun is looking pretty good.
Some of the recent ones, say 2016 to now, they jury is still out but, the potential is there (eg: Vegas 3 1sts).
Ziggy Stardust
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Look no further than Mikey Anderson, kid has intangibles and a old school, lunch pail type of worth ethic.. think Willie Mitchell, and if he's anywhere near as good we struck gold!
Do you find The Athletic to be worth the money? I know there are a lot of things out there like Bleacher Report etc. but they are essentially info dumps from sources. I have no problem paying for high quality. I paid for McKeene's for draft coverage because I think that the stuff behind their paywall is great and a lot better than the free stuff so I was just curious.
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Mikey Anderson is a linchpin prospect on the defense returning to what we're accustomed to. Craig Button had some really positive things to say about him in an article in The Athletic:
“Mikey is a really competitive player,” TSN analyst Craig Button said. “He’s in it to win it. That is a significant thing for a player. He’s territorial. He’s not going to give you one second. He’s not going to give you an inch. He’s a hard, fierce defender. That’s a nice little element to have."
“He’s also really smart with the puck. I watched Mikey expand his game significantly over the years. He started to jump more into the attack and do more things offensively. I always try to tell young players: ‘Expand your game. Don’t be afraid to try to do more. Don’t lose what you have but don’t stop what got you go this point.’ To me, that’s exactly what he did.”
“If you are interested in winning, you want guys like Mikey Anderson on your team,” Button said. “The beautiful thing about Mikey is I think he’s a clear-cut top-four defenseman. He might not start as a top-four. He might start as a fifth. He might start as a sixth. He might start as a guy who’s got to work his way into the lineup. When you watch him play, there are not going to be any points awarded for artistic merit. He not going to garner those types of points. But when you’re in the heat of the battle and in the thick of things, you see some players that can’t raise their game and others that won’t."
“Mikey raises his game — and he meets the challenge.”
Sometimes Button can be a buffoon, but good lord do I hope he's right on Mikey being a clear top-four defensemen.
Mikey Anderson is a linchpin prospect on the defense returning to what we're accustomed to. Craig Button had some really positive things to say about him in an article in The Athletic:
“Mikey is a really competitive player,” TSN analyst Craig Button said. “He’s in it to win it. That is a significant thing for a player. He’s territorial. He’s not going to give you one second. He’s not going to give you an inch. He’s a hard, fierce defender. That’s a nice little element to have."
“He’s also really smart with the puck. I watched Mikey expand his game significantly over the years. He started to jump more into the attack and do more things offensively. I always try to tell young players: ‘Expand your game. Don’t be afraid to try to do more. Don’t lose what you have but don’t stop what got you go this point.’ To me, that’s exactly what he did.”
“If you are interested in winning, you want guys like Mikey Anderson on your team,” Button said. “The beautiful thing about Mikey is I think he’s a clear-cut top-four defenseman. He might not start as a top-four. He might start as a fifth. He might start as a sixth. He might start as a guy who’s got to work his way into the lineup. When you watch him play, there are not going to be any points awarded for artistic merit. He not going to garner those types of points. But when you’re in the heat of the battle and in the thick of things, you see some players that can’t raise their game and others that won’t."
“Mikey raises his game — and he meets the challenge.”
Sometimes Button can be a buffoon, but good lord do I hope he's right on Mikey being a clear top-four defensemen.
Ziggy Stardust
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As cyclones22 already put it, it's definitely worthwhile to subscribe to The Athletic. I don't read Bleacher Report so I'm not well acquainted with the quality of the work they publish, but I never looked at that site as a source of information and more of a blog.
The Athletic has hired among the best journalists who have been covering the sport for a long time, like Pierre LeBrun, and Lisa Dillman covering the LA Kings beat (which she did with the LA Times for decades).
Some snippets from the Cole Caufield article:
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Put me in the group of not trading down. I want a solid, confident pick by the organization at 5 - a player that will help kickstart our youth movement in addition to the 22nd pick.
Unless Caufield goes below 5, he could be the steal of the draft.
Unless Caufield goes below 5, he could be the steal of the draft.
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