Speculation: 2019-2020 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Doctor Soraluce]

You can disagree all you want. But Gambrell barely cut it as a 4th liner for us this year. Shovels started hot, went from 3C to 4C and to the Cuda where he underperformed. True has never played a single NHL game in his life. Assuming he can play 3C minutes is not really a good idea.

Among all the players you listed, Shovels is the only one I think who has a chance. But I have a feeling PDB views him the same way he views Donkey. Only worse.

no reason to get testy... players take strides in the offseason. no reason to think one or more may come back ready for an increased role. Gambrel just needs some meat and confidence. the skill is there. same with shovels.

 

[Doctor Soraluce]

Or you could keep Joe Pavelski, easy pass. If you guys think we are not going to be hurting next year by losing our 38 goal scoring captain, slow or not, I've got a bridge to sell you. The only player son this team who could match that kind of production are Evander Kane (who has never done it, and was abysmal last playoffs) and Meier (who is still very young). Even if either of them managed to do it, that's still a huge loss in total goals since they both scored 30 goals last season. You need to make up for 38 less goals, even if Kane and Meier both scored 40, you are still 18 goals short, I'm not convinced LaBanc is going to make that up for us...

I think we should start getting used to accepting the Sharks are going to re-sign Pavelski, no matter what it costs. Imagine if Pavelski went to somewhere like Vegas, jeezus that's terrifying. He'll be re-signed, to do anything else would be season suicide.

Vegas is over the cap they aren't bringing in Pavs. They need D on their team not forwards. Again with the Kane hate... it's like listening to flat earth's. Yes he was hurt. This is obvious to anyone who watched him during the season and in the playoffs. 2 totally different play styles.

Another thought is if the Sharks are super pissed at Evander Kane for his performance (if he was in fact healthy) and they can find a taker for his deal, they could eject him. That pretty much solves all our cap problems.

FFS. He's not going anywhere this off season unless there is something going on that none of us know about. It sure doesn't seem that way considering how he interacts with his teammates though.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

I forgot to mention earlier, but Ottawa won't be retaining Magnus Paajarvi.



He doesn't score much, but he's a solid defensive winger who kills penalties, and he's also good friends with Erik Karlsson. On the 4th line, he would be an upgrade over Melker and I'd welcome him to this team in a defensive role for around $800K on a one year deal.

 

[AgentCooper]

I know if Merkley plays 10+ games this year we burn a year of his ELC but what exactly happens if we want to send him back to the minors after 20 or so games. Can we do that or does he have to ride the bench as the 7th D-man?

He can be sent down no problem at any point of the season. But, as you said, we'd be burning a year of his ELC.

 

[AgentCooper]

If Merkley lives up to the hype of being a #1D (by all accounts he is a normal top 5 talent in draft just with attitude/motivation issues). Do the Sharks try to trade him for a forward/center equivalent?

I'd imagine that's a strong possibility. But let's let him live up to the hype first. I figure he'll play in the OHL all year again, then a full year in the AHL, then get some significant third-pairing NHL time after that. If he's looking like a stud in 3-4 years, we should be able to get a nice haul for him.

 

[Cappuccino]

I bet Braun+Merkley+Melker could get them thinking after seeing that Trouba package. Probably not enough, but definitely would make them think I bet given they need a RD and Merkley gives them equivalent value to that first rounder they got for Trouba. Wish we had a pick to be able to package with that group.

If the Sharks don't sign Nyquist, there still is the 2020 2nd to trade. I still hope the Stars don't want Zuccarrelo and the Sharks can sign him for like 4 years 18 M or something. Probably won't happen though. There are not many tradeable assets left anymore, otherwise DW could pull off a Kane - Hall trade, but there is not much left to add.

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

I forgot to mention earlier, but Ottawa won't be retaining Magnus Paajarvi.

He doesn't score much, but he's a solid defensive winger who kills penalties, and he's also good friends with Erik Karlsson. On the 4th line, he would be an upgrade over Melker and I'd welcome him to this team in a defensive role for around $800K on a one year deal.

Id like him too, and at least he had some offensive skills at one point and therefore may be able to move up lines if/when injuries occur

 

[Pinkfloyd]

If the Sharks don't sign Nyquist, there still is the 2020 2nd to trade. I still hope the Stars don't want Zuccarrelo and the Sharks can sign him for like 4 years 18 M or something. Probably won't happen though. There are not many tradeable assets left anymore, otherwise DW could pull off a Kane - Hall trade, but there is not much left to add.

I sincerely doubt DW could pull off a Kane-Hall trade simply because I have doubts Kane would accept a trade there.

 

[WSS11]

I dont want to get rid of Merkley at all. Having Karlsson around long term gives us a great opportunity for him to model his game.

This, so much this. Watching Merkley’s play in juniors and briefly this past year he’s incredibly talented and blessed with EK like vision. I think having Vlasic, EK65 and Burns around to shape his game over the next few years will turn him into a monster. Unless it’s for an elite cost controlled top six forward I’m not trading him.

 

[seroes]

I'd imagine that's a strong possibility. But let's let him live up to the hype first. I figure he'll play in the OHL all year again, then a full year in the AHL, then get some significant third-pairing NHL time after that. If he's looking like a stud in 3-4 years, we should be able to get a nice haul for him.

If merkley does end up being an awesome d-man then why would we trade him as he starts coming in to his own? As much as I love burns and vlassic, trading one of or both of them makes much more sense. I'd be stunned if either of them were still playing at an elite into their late 30s. I know trading either would be difficult, especially since vlassic has a nmc, but it would be better then trading what I hope is a huge part of our next core.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

This, so much this. Watching Merkley’s play in juniors and briefly this past year he’s incredibly talented and blessed with EK like vision. I think having Vlasic, EK65 and Burns around to shape his game over the next few years will turn him into a monster. Unless it’s for an elite cost controlled top six forward I’m not trading him.

Nobody in their right mind would give that up for Merkley.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Why does it take so long to figure out the cap. I have never figured that out. What number(s) are they waiting for before finalizing the cap?

 

[OffSydes]

Why does it take so long to figure out the cap. I have never figured that out. What number(s) are they waiting for before finalizing the cap?

For DW to sign players and all the hot takes to come out about the cap hit(s) and how bad the Sharks are screwed going forward. By delaying the announcement they allow for another round of hot takes.

 

[WTFetus]

I'd imagine that's a strong possibility. But let's let him live up to the hype first. I figure he'll play in the OHL all year again, then a full year in the AHL, then get some significant third-pairing NHL time after that. If he's looking like a stud in 3-4 years, we should be able to get a nice haul for him.

Why trade Merkley at all? I think the Sharks are set for the future on the right with EK, Burns, and Merkley. In the next 2-3 seasons, we can have him as a 3rd pairing D. In 3-4, Burns will be nearing 40 and we can start limiting his play. By the time Karlsson's contract is up, Merkley will still be younger than Karlsson is right now.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

Why does it take so long to figure out the cap. I have never figured that out. What number(s) are they waiting for before finalizing the cap?

It’s 50% of the total league revenue from the previous year split 31 ways. They’re probably still going over the money made during the playoffs.

 

[Levie]

If you think you have a prospect that is even close to as good as ek65 you don't trade him.

 

[DeadGhost]

The Flyers have acquired Justin Braun...

 

[WSS11]

Nobody in their right mind would give that up for Merkley.

Probably not, but that’s the only thing that makes sense for SJ when trading somebody like Merkley. No other reason for Doug to deal him

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

 

[Kegsey]

Realistically should we have Couture, Hertl, Pavs and Jumbo as our centers? I feel like Pavs as 3rd line could feast with someone like Nyquist on his wing if we could afford him.

 

[T0uGh C0oki3]

So Brauner is gone, Dillon to follow?

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

So Brauner is gone, Dillon to follow?

I have a feeling he stays just because he compliments EK65 so well. Only reason I see him moved is if Meier does not agree to be bridged and Pavs is stubborn about 7M+.

 

[SharksAddict]

I have a feeling he stays just because he compliments EK65 so well. Only reason I see him moved is if Meier does not agree to be bridged and Pavs is stubborn about 7M+.

They need Dillon's physicality on the back end as well IMO. Simek certainly helps in that regard but the more the better. Also, I am not ready to see a Heed-Ryan pairing full time. Thanks but no thanks.

 

[AgentCooper]

If merkley does end up being an awesome d-man then why would we trade him as he starts coming in to his own? As much as I love burns and vlassic, trading one of or both of them makes much more sense. I'd be stunned if either of them were still playing at an elite into their late 30s. I know trading either would be difficult, especially since vlassic has a nmc, but it would be better then trading what I hope is a huge part of our next core.

Why trade Merkley at all? I think the Sharks are set for the future on the right with EK, Burns, and Merkley. In the next 2-3 seasons, we can have him as a 3rd pairing D. In 3-4, Burns will be nearing 40 and we can start limiting his play. By the time Karlsson's contract is up, Merkley will still be younger than Karlsson is right now.

The context of the discussion was the hypothetical that there wasn't room for Merkley. There probably will be 4 years from now, but that wasn't where the conversation was.