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I’m a little confused. Because there are a limited number of tests (talking about in the US), I believe only people with (severe?) symptoms are supposed to get tested. But people are infectious before they start showing symptoms. Some infected never even develop symptoms. How do we stop the spread if we don’t/ can’t test everybody?

Maybe I’m misunderstanding something.
 

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I’m a little confused. Because there are a limited number of tests (talking about in the US), I believe only people with (severe?) symptoms are supposed to get tested. But people are infectious before they start showing symptoms. Some infected never even develop symptoms. How do we stop the spread if we don’t/ can’t test everybody?

Maybe I’m misunderstanding something.
Stopping the spread is not really a possibility. We can just do our best to slow it down. The lack of testing kits is a big problem, a lot of people will never know if they're actually infected.
 

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I’m a little confused. Because there are a limited number of tests (talking about in the US), I believe only people with (severe?) symptoms are supposed to get tested. But people are infectious before they start showing symptoms. Some infected never even develop symptoms. How do we stop the spread if we don’t/ can’t test everybody?

Maybe I’m misunderstanding something.

Self quarantine and social distancing. Don't leave your house unless you absolutely must and when you do try to stay away from as many people as possible. They really need to shut the airports down, or at least the ones out of New York and New Jersey. Those people either have symptoms and are still traveling or they are asymptomatic and passing it on not knowing. Locally there are still people going about their days but seem to be doing a good job of keeping distance and not doing too much unnecessary stuff. The Hospital seems to have slowed down with people not coming in for BS complaints and we're improving our screening process as well as restricting visitation. The numbers are on the rise but the mortality rate the decline which is the key.
 

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Self quarantine and social distancing. Don't leave your house unless you absolutely must and when you do try to stay away from as many people as possible. They really need to shut the airports down, or at least the ones out of New York and New Jersey. Those people either have symptoms and are still traveling or they are asymptomatic and passing it on not knowing. Locally there are still people going about their days but seem to be doing a good job of keeping distance and not doing too much unnecessary stuff. The Hospital seems to have slowed down with people not coming in for BS complaints and we're improving our screening process as well as restricting visitation. The numbers are on the rise but the mortality rate the decline which is the key.
ya our govenor needed bigger balls he wants out to say hey i told trump new yorkers coming to florida i need you to stop the planes etc... NOPE he gave you the power to do what is needed youd rather be an incompetent failure i guess then make hard decisions....
 
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ya our govenor needed bigger balls he wants out to say hey i told trump new yorkers coming to florida i need you to stop the planes etc... NOPE he gave you the power to do what is needed youd rather be an incompetent failure i guess then make hard decisions....

I actually think the governor has done a decent job. I don't know who was responsible for shutting down all the theme parks but whoever did that helped the spread from international visitors. If you look at a lot of the new clusters it's people who have traveled domestically to hard hit areas like New York. Those people don't seem to realize what's going on or don't care enough to stop traveling, using social distancing or self isolating.

I get wanting to take lessons from Italy and go into full lockdown but that's hard to do without any confirmed cases. We didn't get our first confirmed case till March 1st, one traveled to Italy the other was in contact with someone infected. I don't know how they treated them but it wasn't in the community yet so no need to shut everything down still. The first week of March there wasn't many cases and the ones there were had been linked to international travel or contact with infected. The second week of March is when shutdowns started to happen.

Cases were increasing but the theme in those cases was mostly travel. With the theme parks shutdown international travel is slowed which should help the spread. Schools were on sprint break and then were told to close till mid april. Restaurants were delivery or to go only. People were told to social distance, self isolate if symptomatic and so on. We are at 1400 cases and 18 deaths in over 3 weeks, that's not much at all really. What he should have done sooner was to force all travelers from other countries, New York, New Jersey, Washington and California to self isolate for two weeks once they arrived. Full shutdown was unnecessary, it still kinda is, and increase testing is hard to do with limited resources and labs. Our total cases is 1/3 what the number of students are in the largest high school in the state. In 2017 there averaged over 100 deaths per month by Homicide, 200 by Firearms and 400 by overdose. We are over 3 weeks since the first case and 18 deaths, this thing could be scary but currently isn't.
 

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I actually think the governor has done a decent job. I don't know who was responsible for shutting down all the theme parks but whoever did that helped the spread from international visitors. If you look at a lot of the new clusters it's people who have traveled domestically to hard hit areas like New York. Those people don't seem to realize what's going on or don't care enough to stop traveling, using social distancing or self isolating.

I get wanting to take lessons from Italy and go into full lockdown but that's hard to do without any confirmed cases. We didn't get our first confirmed case till March 1st, one traveled to Italy the other was in contact with someone infected. I don't know how they treated them but it wasn't in the community yet so no need to shut everything down still. The first week of March there wasn't many cases and the ones there were had been linked to international travel or contact with infected. The second week of March is when shutdowns started to happen.

Cases were increasing but the theme in those cases was mostly travel. With the theme parks shutdown international travel is slowed which should help the spread. Schools were on sprint break and then were told to close till mid april. Restaurants were delivery or to go only. People were told to social distance, self isolate if symptomatic and so on. We are at 1400 cases and 18 deaths in over 3 weeks, that's not much at all really. What he should have done sooner was to force all travelers from other countries, New York, New Jersey, Washington and California to self isolate for two weeks once they arrived. Full shutdown was unnecessary, it still kinda is, and increase testing is hard to do with limited resources and labs. Our total cases is 1/3 what the number of students are in the largest high school in the state. In 2017 there averaged over 100 deaths per month by Homicide, 200 by Firearms and 400 by overdose. We are over 3 weeks since the first case and 18 deaths, this thing could be scary but currently isn't.
It was Disney, Universal, and eventually Sea World.

What's worth noting is that Orlando's Mayor probably doesn't have a lot of control over the parks. They call themselves Orlando, but anyone who has made the drive between Tampa and Orlando knows that the parks are pretty well outside the city. Disney is in Lake Buena Vista and Bay Lake officially, and the company has its own government in the Reedy Creek Improvement District.


Meanwhile in Tampa,
 
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It was Disney, Universal, and eventually Sea World.

What's worth noting is that Orlando's Mayor probably doesn't have a lot of control over the parks. They call themselves Orlando, but anyone who has made the drive between Tampa and Orlando knows that the parks are pretty well outside the city. Disney is in Lake Buena Vista and Bay Lake officially, and the company has its own government in the Reedy Creek Improvement District.


Meanwhile in Tampa,


But who did they listen to that made them shut down? Those parks only shut down under unique circumstances like a hurricane barring down on them and even then they wait till the last minute to decide to close for a day. Closing up shop for over two weeks and before it really started to spread had to come from somewhere. The last thing those places like to do is lose money so them closing is a bit shocking. I would think Disney has all the pull in Orange and Osceola county so the commissioners there wouldn't tell them to do it.
 

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But who did they listen to that made them shut down? Those parks only shut down under unique circumstances like a hurricane barring down on them and even then they wait till the last minute to decide to close for a day. Closing up shop for over two weeks and before it really started to spread had to come from somewhere. The last thing those places like to do is lose money so them closing is a bit shocking. I would think Disney has all the pull in Orange and Osceola county so the commissioners there wouldn't tell them to do it.
Disney has parks in China, Japan, and Paris. They probably learned a bit about when to do it from experience. Disneyland was also shutdown a few days before Disney World, so there's probably some kind of measure they're internally looking at.

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Orange County, which contains Orlando, will start sheltering-in-place on Thursday.
 
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Desantis is pure garbage. Terrible response from the trump puppet. Everything that has. shut down has been SELF INDUCED NOT FROM DEworthless. He started outvstrong then fizzled. Weak. Very weak.
 
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Yeah, he shit the bed with closing off the state. The most contagious state is now sending people here.

Oh boy. Well, be sure to make a visit to Mar A Lago and maybe they'll take it seriously.
 

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Yeah, he shit the bed with closing off the state. The most contagious state is now sending people here.

Oh boy. Well, be sure to make a visit to Mar A Lago and maybe they'll take it seriously.

Yep thanks all the New Yorkers coming here to spread the virus great
 

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Yeah, he shit the bed with closing off the state. The most contagious state is now sending people here.

Oh boy. Well, be sure to make a visit to Mar A Lago and maybe they'll take it seriously.

This is the really only thing I fault him on, the allowing of travel from hard hit areas. But I don't know how the logistics of that are, can you just stop allowing flights from one country or state that easily? Plus I'm sure if people wanted to come down here they would go to Jersey or Connecticut to fly or just drive down, you can't completely stop them. So can you blame Desantis when it's the people who are fleeing badly hit areas that are the ones who should be blamed?

I don't believe we need to put the state on lockdown or even every county. Your probably more likely to get this going to Publix or Target than you are from going on a bike ride or to the beach. If you keep safe distances and don't mingle with other groups the chances of spread are minimized. I don't know how their doing grocery stores in other county's but here they do the early open for seniors and those with medical conditions. After that it's a free for all as they allow everyone in that wants to be, they have Mark's on the floor by the registers but in the aisles people are still as close as before. I saw more people in the Target yesterday than I see in the ER at work at. At this point I feel I'm more likely to catch it there than in the hospital.
 

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Desantis is pure garbage. Terrible response from the trump puppet. Everything that has. shut down has been SELF INDUCED NOT FROM DEworthless. He started outvstrong then fizzled. Weak. Very weak.

I registered to vote in 2006 as an Independent when I turned 18 that fall and it was DeSantis running for governor over 10 years later that finally got me to switch so I could vote in the primaries for who I felt was best to defeat him. This guy makes me want to get on my knees and pray JEB! would come back like Linus waiting for the Great Pumpkin to finally show up. It's been 22 years since Lawton Chiles (the last Democrat governor) died and when DeSantis ran for office all he had to talk about was how much progress Florida needed to make in the face of uncontested Republican rule. And the sad part is he was telling the truth.

Hint: Hint ladies and gents. That's what happens with 20+ years of single-party control. You have to... HAVE TO divvy it up. You don't have to like just one party. Both have a lot of flaws and a lot of good ideas. But the consequences would be absolutely no different than if nothing but Democrats followed Chiles. I just wish Independents were allowed to vote in Florida primaries.
 

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I registered to vote in 2006 as an Independent when I turned 18 that fall and it was DeSantis running for governor over 10 years later that finally got me to switch so I could vote in the primaries for who I felt was best to defeat him. This guy makes me want to get on my knees and pray JEB! would come back like Linus waiting for the Great Pumpkin to finally show up. It's been 22 years since Lawton Chiles (the last Democrat governor) died and when DeSantis ran for office all he had to talk about was how much progress Florida needed to make in the face of uncontested Republican rule. And the sad part is he was telling the truth.

Hint: Hint ladies and gents. That's what happens with 20+ years of single-party control. You have to... HAVE TO divvy it up. You don't have to like just one party. Both have a lot of flaws and a lot of good ideas. But the consequences would be absolutely no different than if nothing but Democrats followed Chiles. I just wish Independents were allowed to vote in Florida primaries.
It does make a certain amount of sense to not have an open primary. Trump has no opposition to get the Republican nomination, so Republicans would feel okay asking for the blue ballot, and that could sway an outcome from just registered Democrat party members. Vice versa if we're talking about Obama or another Dem in office.

I'd say that the more effective strategy, regardless of personal preference, is to vote one party or the other, including (maybe especially) in mid-term elections. A President or Governor of your party needs that down ballot support to actually enact anything significant. Maybe that's a strength to the Republicans. They're more about local governing (although Elizabeth Warren seemed quite eager to suggest subsidiarity during her campaign), so the down ballot matters more.

I don't think the DNC pushes the importance of mid-term and down ballot voting nearly hard enough. A President is just supposed to do everything apparently with no support in Washington or state capitals. The DNC did start to get a bit heavier after the 2016 results when they saw that there was an appetite for it, but they still play games.
 

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Got an ad from my NHL streaming service that they'll show each game of the 2004 finals on Wednesday!!!! Holy f***. 2015 on Thursday but I'm not sure I'll be able to go through it again.
 

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I enjoy how COVID has caused hockey teams to basically resort to referring fans to coolmathgames.com.

They don't do that in August.
 

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Toronto could cancel the order early, but I thought everybody was just announcing piecemeal.

 
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Toronto could cancel the order early, but I thought everybody was just announcing piecemeal.



Breaking: who gives a f*** about Toronto? There were more people at Lowes and Home Depot this weekend than there are at Lightning games. Let's drop the puck already, this shit is a Northern problem stop punishing those of us trying to enjoy these 90 degree days.
 
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