Two seasons of inconsequential hockey.
Bring on the youth.
Bring on the youth.
GDT: 2019-20 GM#44 LA Kings vs Columbus Blue Jackets@7:30pm 1/6/20
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bouncesonly
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I just want Kings to score goals. Don't care if they lose 8-9. As a matter of fact, I'd be very satisfied if they lost every game for the rest of the season 8-9.
riznat
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There is no way we will be able to trade all the guys we want traded. Should does not equal can.
kilowatt
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Let's assume we can. Let's assume we actually trade out Carter, Toffoli, Martinez, Hutton, Lewis, Forbort, and Campbell. Just for the sake of argument, what the hell does our team look like the rest of the season?
Iafallo - Kopitar - Brown
Frk - Prokhorkin - Grundstrom
Wagner - Lizotte - Kempe
Clifford - Amadio - Luff
Walker - Doughty
Clague - Roy
MacDermid - LaDue
Quick
Petersen
I guess? One second line and three fourth lines? Nice.
riznat
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Sol
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Honestly have no idea what he does better than Walker.
He's completely nose dived since last season.
Little Psycho
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Ollie Weeks
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I think I would prefer him in the lineup over Martinez and Hutton (ufa bound anyway). Those two drive me crazy.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Doughty is 30 years old, this is his 12th NHL season, he will shortly hit 1000 games played (playoffs + regular), just alot of miles on his tires. The Kings had a small window to move on and get a significant return for the next era of Kings hockey, unfortunately as Kings GM's have done for the last half decade they chose sentiment and nostalgia over the current reality.
Doughty and Kopitar are not going to be the best players on this team when they are ready to contend again, they will still be good secondary pieces but if management thinks Kopitar and Doughty in their mid 30's are going to lead the charge in 3-4 years they are out to lunch. Having these two guys under contract for the length and dollars they are is going to make it very challenging for Blake to build a team, going to need some current or future prospects to really kill it on their ELC's.
Doughty and Kopitar are not going to be the best players on this team when they are ready to contend again, they will still be good secondary pieces but if management thinks Kopitar and Doughty in their mid 30's are going to lead the charge in 3-4 years they are out to lunch. Having these two guys under contract for the length and dollars they are is going to make it very challenging for Blake to build a team, going to need some current or future prospects to really kill it on their ELC's.
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kilowatt
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Definitely agree. I'm looking forward to having Kopitar - Turcotte - Vilardi down the middle in a couple years, with Kopitar taking on the role of grizzled veteran playing staunch defense.
BigKing
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8 and 11 would be better right now if they were playing for something, sure, but how much better will they be once the pieces around them are better if it takes another two seasons for that to even start happening?
I'm not as worried about Kopitar, even though he is older, in a potential 2/3C role but I am worried a bit about Doughty. Sure, he's been able to play tons of minutes while not being a paragon of fitness but that will change as he ages: we might already be seeing it. There are also high-end center prospects in the pipeline that appear to be able to lessen the load on Kopitar. Maybe he isn't pushed to 3C but there is a 1A/1B situation that can lead to lower minutes.
There is no Doughty "replacement" at the moment. We could definitely see his effectiveness wane somewhat if he's still having to play insane minutes in a couple of seasons regardless of whether the team is better overall.
There is reason for concern. Father Time always wins without even taking in to account injury risk. Carter was the workout warrior guy with the effortless stride that nobody was worried about during the last years of his deal since his game wouldn't drop off much. One skate blade later and we're carrying his anvil of a contract as he basically became half the player he was overnight.
Sol
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You're right to an extent.
However I don't understand why people re-sign players that aren't going to be of any use to them for a few years?
Kings re-signed Doughty for 11 million a year for what reason? To mentor the youth? At 11 million dollars for an eternity?
Look at the EK deal. There's so much risk in signing aging players, especially when the team sucks. Kings re-signed Doughty for hope. Nothing else.
I'd love to see someone justify that contract. Besides the "deserves it". Giving contracts for past accomplishments is why the Kings got into cap hell and mediocrity in an instant.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Justified or not, it literally doesn't matter, as we'll need Doughty's cap to stay above the floor for the next few years.
And in a world where Trouba is getting 7 million and PK Subban 9 million--and wait till you see what this years RFAs/UFAs get--Doughty's 11 million is his 7 million contract of yesteryear all over again. Get used to the new landscape, it's already happened for forwards.
Doughty will have to discover, like Brown, that he'll have to change his off-season habits if he wants to keep up. He will also have to study the game more. But he can't be told that. He'll have to figure it out. Or he won't.
KingsFan7824
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If people want Doughty and the other guys gone, then the team can't win the Cup once, let alone twice. Stars players, if they win, and want to stay, will be re-signed as a reward for winning. The Kings are not the first team to do it, and they will not be the last team to do it. Should the Kings ever win again, I will bet they will do it again with whoever the best players on the team are at the time. That's how sports works. You can get around it by lucking out with the timing of a contract(for example, Marchand), but that's about it. Same with Kopitar. You can't be in the top 5 overall and trade your #1C. It's simply not going to happen. Whether it was $10m, or $8.5m, it makes no difference. Lombardi was in no mood to be trading Kopitar in the summer of 2015, so there's no discussion to be had about that. If Lombardi negotiates him down, that only gives Lombardi more room to be crazy after the team he built couldn't win anymore.
Either the Kings can't win, or Doughty had to want out. One of the two. There just is no other option. Even smart guy Lombardi gave a goalie a 10 year contract days after the peak of his career. That was a stupid buy high move(the cap hit was nice, but they're still dealing with the term), but what else was going to happen? Quick brought the team a championship.
Doughty is one of the best players in franchise history, home grown at that, and won the Cup. There's no franchise anywhere that just gets rid of a guy like that. He had to at least want to leave, if not hate being here.
I know there's nothing to talk about with this team, and even the best rookie is just a little guy that tries hard, but how many times can we go around the horn about the Doughty and Kopitar contracts? It's like the ref being part of the playing surface. You just have to accept that they're there, and work around them. Every significant contract from July 2012 to July 2018 was the wrong thing to do. They never even got one winning season out of Brown's current contract. The single season they won under Quick's current deal was 13-14, and oddly enough it was his worst regular season, up until the last couple. Thankfully they were able to actually score goals in the 2014 playoffs.
Either the Kings can't win, or Doughty had to want out. One of the two. There just is no other option. Even smart guy Lombardi gave a goalie a 10 year contract days after the peak of his career. That was a stupid buy high move(the cap hit was nice, but they're still dealing with the term), but what else was going to happen? Quick brought the team a championship.
Doughty is one of the best players in franchise history, home grown at that, and won the Cup. There's no franchise anywhere that just gets rid of a guy like that. He had to at least want to leave, if not hate being here.
I know there's nothing to talk about with this team, and even the best rookie is just a little guy that tries hard, but how many times can we go around the horn about the Doughty and Kopitar contracts? It's like the ref being part of the playing surface. You just have to accept that they're there, and work around them. Every significant contract from July 2012 to July 2018 was the wrong thing to do. They never even got one winning season out of Brown's current contract. The single season they won under Quick's current deal was 13-14, and oddly enough it was his worst regular season, up until the last couple. Thankfully they were able to actually score goals in the 2014 playoffs.
