2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

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That's like comparing Hudon to Galchenyuk because they have comparable shot totals, while one has double the sh%.
 
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That's like comparing Hudon to Galchenyuk because they had comparable shot totals.

And without even comparing the shooting opportunities themselves, or the shots. How many shots were extra whacks into a goalie's pads?

Here's the thing: give Olly Wahly 131 shots on an NCAA keeper, he gets more than 8 goals. A lot more. End of story.
 
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Post lotto MB said the player taken at 3 should be able to play this year. There is no D other than Dahlin you could say that about and the only forwards fitting that are Svech, Zadina and Tkachuk. Svech should go 2nd leaving the other two. Of course MB could just be thinking Zadina, which makes sense.

So I like Kotkaniemi, but all of a sudden local media is throwing his name out and they keep referring to Grant's observations of him.

Wow.

Now Grant has a connection with TT, but no way is Kotkaniemi able to make the jump this coming season, so dont see MB looking at him at no.3.
 
At least one Detroit fan has expressed disinterest in moving up for Zadina, which is a bummer. I don't know if I want to attempt to trade back to 8 or 9 for Kotkaniemi, because he might not be there.
 
At least one Detroit fan has expressed disinterest in moving up for Zadina, which is a bummer. I don't know if I want to attempt to trade back to 8 or 9 for Kotkaniemi, because he might not be there.

Just take him at 3. who cares about projected slots if he's your guy. It's trying to outsmart yourself sometimes.

Also Buffalo has franchise talent at C and D now. Increasing the need for us to rebuild properly.
 
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At least one Detroit fan has expressed disinterest in moving up for Zadina, which is a bummer. I don't know if I want to attempt to trade back to 8 or 9 for Kotkaniemi, because he might not be there.

If Kotkaniemi is the guy they want, so trade down to 2-3 spots below and if it doesn't wotk go with him anyway, but I don't mind Zadina too or even Hughes.
 
Just take him at 3. who cares about projected slots if he's your guy. It's trying to outsmart yourself sometimes.

Also Buffalo has franchise talent at C and D now. Increasing the need for us to rebuild properly.

Well, you should definitely advocate trading down. It's basically canon among the regulars that ''there's not much separating 3 from 8.'' Well, if that's true, and someone's willing to pay you anything at all to move up, you should take it.
 
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Just take him at 3. who cares about projected slots if he's your guy. It's trying to outsmart yourself sometimes.

Also Buffalo has franchise talent at C and D now. Increasing the need for us to rebuild properly.

Yeah, trying to be too cute and trading down a couple of spots to pick up an extra couple of picks is not worth losing a player if its your guy, especially at this spot in the draft.

Tell me WTK though, on Kotkaniemi I know you like him, but did you not post that you thought his skating was an actual issue and you thought tjat could keep him from being an NHLer?

I know you really value skating and I see it as very important as well, but the guy to me looks like his skating , both speed and edgework is good enough for the NHL. Though I think your eye is better than mine. What is your thinking and do you take Zadina , Kotkaniemi or somebody else at 3 ?
 
Yeah, trying to be too cute and trading down a couple of spots to pick up an extra couple of picks is not worth losing a player if its your guy, especially at this spot in the draft.

Tell me WTK though, on Kotkaniemi I know you like him, but did you not post that you thought his skating was an actual issue and you thought tjat could keep him from being an NHLer?

I know you really value skating and I see it as very important as well, but the guy to me looks like his skating , both speed and edgework is good enough for the NHL. Though I think your eye is better than mine. What is your thinking and do you take Zadina , Kotkaniemi or somebody else at 3 ?

I think his skating keeps him from being a center at the NHL level particularly if you're looking at the Habs. They don't need much to turn a high pick valued as a C into a W in the name of being safe and conventional.
 
Well, you should definitely advocate trading down. It's basically canon among the regulars that ''there's not much separating 3 from 8.'' Well, if that's true, and someone's willing to pay you anything at all to move up, you should take it.

I advocate for trading down because of the thought that 3-8 is very similar. Im speaking though if the Habs have identified Kotkaniemi is their guy. They have him above the rest as their target. Just take him.

But if they think as we do and are fine with Kotkaniemi, Wahlstrom, Boqvist or Dobson. Then you can trade back a max of 4 spots and take your highest rated guy.
 
I can't get the idea Carolina is getting a franchise player in front of all those garbage teams, out of my head. After the same happened with Philly.

It shouldn't happen at all, let alone with such regularity. It's f***ed.
 
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I hope so, but when it's already close between the 3, not sure why you risk it. You might be regretting it in the future if Boqvist reaches his potential, but you still get an elite goalscorer. If you take Boqvist, who knows what happens with his smaller frame? Concussions are scary.

we already have Mete has a small D.. worst case we could attempt to get Jordan Subban who knows he might be a later bloomer and most likely for quite cheap. we need bigger players for sure.

Im starting to see loads of potential in Zadina and his face reminds me of a future leader dont know why but I had same feeling with Filip Forsberg prior to the draft.
 
I think his skating keeps him from being a center at the NHL level particularly if you're looking at the Habs. They don't need much to turn a high pick valued as a C into a W in the name of being safe and conventional.

Like I posted, MB said the player taken at 3rd should be able to play this year, so if he is thinking Kotkaniemi then this guy is going to be rushed and has a high chance of ending badly. Should just take Zadina and move on in that case. And the 8 goal in his league , missed the Draft last year by a day guy should not even be a consideration.
 
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I can't get the idea Carolina is getting a franchise player in front of all those garbage teams, out of my head. After the same happened with Philly.

It shouldn't happen at all, let alone with such regularity. It's ****ed.

Blame the NHL instead of the obvious, you can't win the first overall in back-to-back years. They went with this garbage which is rewarding a better team with a player that a worse team desperately needs.
 
I advocate for trading down because of the thought that 3-8 is very similar. Im speaking though if the Habs have identified Kotkaniemi is their guy. They have him above the rest as their target. Just take him.

But if they think as we do and are fine with Kotkaniemi, Wahlstrom, Boqvist or Dobson. Then you can trade back a max of 4 spots and take your highest rated guy.

Prices have to be right for players. I don't think Kotkaniemi ends up being the 3rd best player in the draft. I do think he has a chance to be the best center in the draft, though. I'm just enamoured with that idea and would like to get paid for selecting him. You have the right idea, though: if we want to target a player, and take the risk of not being able to select him, we have to be okay with the worst case scenario. So let's say we talk Detroit into moving up. What would be the worst case scenario? I wrote down a few, and the worst result I could come up with was:

3. Zadina
4. Wahlstrom
5. Kotkaniemi

I guess then we're forced into our highest variance pick with Boqvist. But he's ranked by everyone at about 5, and he has the potential to be one of the top players of the draft. So we're getting a decent stab at the 5th best player in the draft, and say, Alexander Alexeyev to do it? Every other result has either Wahlstrom available, or Kotkaniemi, the target.
 
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Assuming they prefer adding a defenseman, Detroit does seem like a viable trade partner in that sense. While they possibly could get a good one at 6, the #3 pick gives them the luxury to choose.

What are the chances Ottawa and Arizona take Kotkaniemi at 4 and 5?
 
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Assuming they prefer a defenseman, Detroit does seem like a viable trade partner in that sense. While they possibly could get a good one at 6, the #3 pick gives them the luxury to choose.

What are the chances Ottawa and Arizona take Kotkaniemi at 4 and 5?
I see Ottawa setting down for Zadina or Boqvist.

Fair chance he goes to Arizona but I have a feeling they like Hughes.
 
What would an other team would have to offer to make you go down 4-6 spots?

Their 2nd pick? B prospect?? Is it really worth it, because i dont see a team paying really more then that.
 
Assuming they're preferring a defenseman, Detroit does seem like a viable trade partner in that sense. While they possibly could get a good one at 6, the #3 pick allows them the luxury of choosing.

What are the chances Ottawa and Arizona take Kotkaniemi at 4 and 5?

Arizona don't appear to have a finn on their hockey operations staff. Ottawa does, though.
 
I was really hoping TkaSuck would fall down accurately on McKenzie's rankings.

Having him rated at 4 and us at 3. f*** that sucks.
 
Here is my top 31. This is not how I think the draft will go down, but it's who I like.

I am doing something a little different where I'll put a "grade" just to illustrate the discrepency I see between prospects. It's not scientific like how @ProspectsFanatic did it with his software. This is strictly based on my intrinsic ratings (observations, my interpretation of statistics, general "feel" of the prospect).

1. Rasmus Dahlin (100)
2. Andrei Svechnikov (98)

3. Adam Boqvist (94)
4. Oliver Wahlstrom (92)
5. Filip Zadina (91)
6. Quinn Hughes (90)

7. Noah Dobson (88)
8. Jesperi Kotkaniemi (87)
9. Ty Smith (87)
10. Brady Tkachuk (86)

11. Evan Bouchard (85)
12. Vitaly Kravtsov (84)
13. Filip Hallander (83)
14. Jonatan Berggren (82)
15. Isac Lundestrom (81)
16. Joel Farabee (80)

17. Ty Dellandrea (79)
18. Jonathan Tychonick (77)
19. Rasmus Kupari (77)
20. Martin Kaut (77)
21. Nils Lundkvist (76)
22. Dominik Bokk (75)
23. Alexander Alexeyev (75)
24. Rasmus Sandin (70)

25. Grigori Denisenko (68)
26. Joseph Veleno (68)
27. Jacob Olofsson (67)
28. Barrett Hayton (66)
29. Jesse Ylonen (65)
30. Bode Wilde (64)
31. Liam Foudy (63)
 
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Is it possible we've been center-starved for so long we're starting to overvalue getting the best center at the cost of not getting the BPA?

Specially when we could be getting a player who's both BPA and a legit center in 2019;
Hughes
Kakko (think he's got everything to be top flight C)
Newhook
Lavoie
Dach
Turcotte
Cozens
Suzuki

Let's say both Zadina(or Wahlstrom) and Kotkaniemi develop accordingly. One's a consistent 30+goals 70pts winger with 40g potential in peak years. And the other is a 55-60pt 200ft center with a big frame. Who do you take?
 
No chance Arizona takes Tkachuk IMO. They are an analytics focused organization and Tkachuk doesn't have the numbers.

If your first 4 picks are correct, arizona takes Hughes or Wahlstom.
Appreciate the feedback.......forgot about the organizational philosophy. I'll stand by my prediction but you raise an excellent point.
 
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