2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

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O'Brien may well be available at 35, and if he's gone there will be some studs left. I really like that pick. If it's me, I'm only moving up to get someone in the middle tier (top 15ish of the draft). Of course you may have O'Brien in that tier... not sure.

The thing with O’Brien is we can’t properly evaluate him seeing as how he was playing High School. He might have far greater potential than other centres in the bottom half of the 1st/early 2nd. We know guys like McLaughlin, Hillis, etc aren’t going to be 1st line centres. He might have that offensive ability. I’d trade up for him if that’s the case.
 
Wouldn't it be nice if the Habs got out ahead of a trend for once!?! Instead of continually chasing. If that's "tradition" I don't want it.

He's not my fav or anything, but I would be excited if we drafted Hughes or Boqvist... those guys might be pushing the trend...
 
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The thing with O’Brien is we can’t properly evaluate him seeing as how he was playing High School. He might have far greater potential than other centres in the bottom half of the 1st/early 2nd. We know guys like McLaughlin, Hillis, etc aren’t going to be 1st line centres. He might have that offensive ability. I’d trade up for him if that’s the case.


Yes it's hard to evaluate, and I don't mind trading up to get anybody that Timmins feels is in a tier above the guys available at 35.

I just want more darts. The more I learn about drafts (still after about 18 years of following...) the more I'm convinced you just want as many darts as possible!!
 
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O'Brien may well be available at 35, and if he's gone there will be some studs left. I really like that pick. If it's me, I'm only moving up to get someone in the middle tier (top 15ish of the draft). Of course you may have O'Brien in that tier... not sure.

I don't know what is a fair or reasonable ranking for him. However, O'Brien has been creeping up into the 21-31 range in at least one recent mainstream list. I'm not even sure what he projects as -- does he have top 6 potential?
 
I don't know what is a fair or reasonable ranking for him. However, O'Brien has been creeping up into the 21-31 range in at least one recent mainstream list. I'm not even sure what he projects as -- does he have top 6 potential?


Whoever picks him will think he has top 6 potential. I have him in that cloudy murky 20-60 range that is full of all kinds of guys!

I'm definitely very curious to see where the professional scouts rank him.

He's a guy who's has risen lately along with others like Dellandrea, Foudy, Bergrren, Tychonik... while other have slipped a bit like Thomas, Miller, Wilde, Groulx, McBain...

It's always fun to see what actually ends up happening. Can't wait!! I'm not sure if I'll be able to sleep Friday night... those 4 2nds will be so fun...
 
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I mean if we assume that D have little influence on offensive numbers, which I don’t think is true at all. They might not always get on the scoresheet, but often they are the ones breaking up plays, changing possession and starting transition. As good as the Caps offence was, a lot of that had to do with what Carlson, Kempny and Orlov were doing.

I don’t think the Habs offence is porous because of the forwards not being any good. While they need serious help down the middle, I think the other factor was the inability of the defenders to properly break up plays and quickly transition up the ice. Really only Petry and Reilly provided that at the end of the year, but they can’t be relied upon defensively.

Get a guy like Dobson who has the defensive anticipation and physical capabilities to quickly go up the ice or make a breakout pass, it could make a world of a difference.

For sure and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying D have no value.

I just think recent results show you don't need stud D or tremendous shut down guys necessarily. You need a coach who can coax the right tempo and puck movement out of his entire corps instead of relying on high end guys.

To that end, my point is simply that I no longer think the age-old scouting mantra that D are most valuable holds water.
 
The thing with O’Brien is we can’t properly evaluate him seeing as how he was playing High School. He might have far greater potential than other centres in the bottom half of the 1st/early 2nd. We know guys like McLaughlin, Hillis, etc aren’t going to be 1st line centres. He might have that offensive ability. I’d trade up for him if that’s the case.
How do we know Hillis/McLaughlin wont be 1st line Cs ?
 
Whoever picks him will think he has top 6 potential. I have him in that cloudy murky 20-60 range that is full of all kinds of guys!

I'm definitely very curious to see where the professional scouts rank him.

He's a guy who's has risen lately along with others like Dellandrea, Foudy, Bergrren, Tychonik... while other have slipped a bit like Thomas, Miller, Wilde, Groulx, McBain...

It's always fun to see what actually ends up happening. Can't wait!! I'm not sure if I'll be able to sleep Friday night... those 4 2nds will be so fun...
Thomas seemed to be on the rise towards the season ends... But hes pretty much fell back down to where he was supposed to go. He looked so great for a stretch and then nothing. Sad.
 
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Thomas seemed to be on the rise towards the season ends... But hes pretty much fell back down to where he was supposed to go. He looked so great for a stretch and then nothing. Sad.


Yeah he's definitely not in that middle range anymore... would you take him at 35? I like his game, but feel like he might never put it all together. I think I would probably pass, but it would be tempting.
 
For sure and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying D have no value.

I just think recent results show you don't need stud D or tremendous shut down guys necessarily. You need a coach who can coax the right tempo and puck movement out of his entire corps instead of relying on high end guys.

To that end, my point is simply that I no longer think the age-old scouting mantra that D are most valuable holds water.


I think it has to do with the amount of time a good D can stay on the ice. So that if you get a real stud top D he is more valuable because he can be on the ice for half the game and so he can improve your team more. Of course with the speed of the game now and the insane condition levels that may be changing too...
 
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How do we know Hillis/McLaughlin wont be 1st line Cs ?

Oh we can’t say 100% but if they had that potential, they’d be first rounders. They have limitations as junior players that will probably prevent it, but we’ll only know 5 years from now I guess.
 
Oh we can’t say 100% but if they had that potential, they’d be first rounders. They have limitations as junior players that will probably prevent it, but we’ll only know 5 years from now I guess.
I think thats a bit too specific.. Some players have a chance to be 1st liners and theyre 5th round picks.. Some are picked top 10 and are only 3rd liners. Hillis and McLaughlin both have high end skills and smarts, theres a legit chance they end up first liners.
 
I know a lot of you want Zadina with the 3rd overall pick but drafting a winger with such a high-end pick may prove to be the death of this team and put us in purgatory for another 10 seasons.

I know Zadina is a great prospect and will likely be an NHL star but Bergevin needs a clear direction right now and he has 2 paths he can choose: build around a 1C or building around a 1D. Adding another winger to this squad is not the answer. And no, we're not getting a 1C by dealing Patch.

We have tried for years to get that elusive #1 center and we have failed. Judging from the other top teams in the NHL and the past Cup winners, the next best thing to do if you do not have a #1 center is to get a great defensive corps lead by a Doughty/Keith/Karlsson/Hedman/Carlson/Josi type of guy.

The Habs have an interesting D with Weber as the experienced guy who will lead the way for Mete and Juulsen. But there is little else. Getting a defenseman like Dobson/Boqvist/Bouchard to play the role of #1 on that top-4 would give us quite the punch on the backend and would make us real hard to play against. Not to mention Petry as a fine #5.

Assuming Carey Price regains form (because if he doesnt we are doomed regardless) the best thing Bergevin can do is to build up that defense, giving us a real solid fundation going forward.

Now you're gonna say; alright, who scores the goals? Looking at our offense there is no reason for us to struggle to win games if we have the rest of the important stuff in check (goaltending, defense, coaching). It's not like we lack skills. We do lack a #1 C, but guys like Pacioretty, Drouin, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Lehkonen, Hudon, Scherbak, Danault and Poehling certainly have the making of a top-9 that can perform up to standards. I mean, look at Vegas' top-9. It's not the best, but it's not the worst. And we can still tweak it in the coming years.

Alright, alright so where are we going with this? Bergevin needs to follow the ''build from the net out'' model. By adding only one player (with our 1st rounder this summer) this can be achieved: a true #1 goalie to go along with a solid top-4 defense.

Not only that, but among the core players only Price, Weber and Pacioretty are old, and to be honest, they're not THAT old. We have a very young team. It will be up to Claude Julien to get the most out of the group.

It's either this plan, or you fricking blow it up and hope to land a true #1 C in the next 2 drafts.

I agree with your assessment. I'm actually okay with Zadina at 3 but I feel his production can be matched by our most of our players: Patches, Gally, Chucky, and even Lehkonen. But, losing PK, Sergachev and Markov really hurt our defense corps and we need to build from there if no center is available. I would take Dobson at 3 and consider it as a steal. Centers will be drafted next year. Don't force it.
 
Yeah, definitely believe Hillis has 1st line potential. I think probably what is keeping him from being a first round pick is his current inconsistencies with defense and while he isn’t that short, he’s very slight. Not a big kid. However, he only turns 18 on the draft weekend and I am expecting a huge D+1 season from him.

O’Brien is harder to project for non-scouts as he doesn’t have the exposure as prospects playing in televised leagues, as well as only playing HS hockey. The clips I’ve seen provided by GB do enough for me to definitely consider him depending who else is on the board.
 
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Night from Day 1 to Day 2 will be exciting, knowing exactly which prospects will still be available for round 2 with us picking at 35 and 38. Hope we dont screw it up, this draft has to be potential to be as good for us than 2007
 
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Night from Day 1 to Day 2 will be exciting, knowing exactly which prospects will still be available for round 2 with us picking at 35 and 38. Hope we dont screw it up, this draft has to be potential to be as good for us than 2007

It's gonna be a whole lot of me hoping other teams take players I hate before we have the chance
 
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If anyone is interested they can go see in the prospect thread.

Basically his defensive awareness and effort are non existent but he can do great things offensively. He ranks him as a 2nd rounder.
Went to a Knights game back in January and that describes him to a tee, actually gives him maybe too much credit offensively for the game I watched but obviously he put up some points so maybe just an off game, reminded me of Beaulieu on the effort defensively if that tells you anything
 
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