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TheDogCerby said:
Not really.

That's like saying drafting the better player now means you don't have a clue and just looked at stats.
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I agree with this. I mean typically players have learning curves. But my guess is a guy like Tkachuk is a get what you see kind of guy a lot more than most other players given his style of play, abilities and size. But for most guys outside of the top couple /few and Tkachuk, you have to project.
 
I would only trade down if I was sure I'd be getting the guy I want or if I had 2 players that I wanted and couldn't choose between... and I knew one would be there. If not... just pick.
 
My mind is made up too. Very unpopular choice but I would pick Brady Tkachuk.

I would dare to add that his name is just a bonus. Because he brings attributes that no other top prospects have. A combination of size, skill, skating, decent shot, physicality, puck handling, hockey IQ/vision, and swag. I see swag in Dahlin and Brady, that's it. Brady is future captain material as well. The potential is there. And why not try him at center. His skillset and the way he plays, can somehow translate to center position. That would be a miracle though. He's a very special player and different prospect that we haven't seen in a while. Don't lie to yourself saying he's a 3rd line winger or a grinder. The kid plays with an edge. Put him with Galchenyuk and Drouin, you will never know how his production will be. Might become a 70 points player. He creates space and protects the puck and can finish anywhere around the net and also find his teammates for scoring chances.

Brady Tkachuk will be a Montreal Canadiens on draft day.
 
Jabba11 said:
My mind is made up too. Very unpopular choice but I would pick Brady Tkachuk.

I would dare to add that his name is just a bonus. Because he brings attributes that no other top prospects have. A combination of size, skill, skating, decent shot, physicality, puck handling, hockey IQ/vision, and swag. I see swag in Dahlin and Brady, that's it. Brady is future captain material as well. The potential is there. And why not try him at center. His skillset and the way he plays, can somehow translate to center position. That would be a miracle though. He's a very special player and different prospect that we haven't seen in a while. Don't lie to yourself saying he's a 3rd line winger or a grinder. The kid plays with an edge. Put him with Galchenyuk and Drouin, you will never know how his production will be. Might become a 70 points player. He creates space and protects the puck and can finish anywhere around the net and also find his teammates for scoring chances.

Brady Tkachuk will be a Montreal Canadiens on draft day.
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Bolded the Nopes.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Lol, no he doesn't. Are we really passing off "knows where to go to make the most of his limited skill set" as tremendous IQ now?
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Funny. No but his awareness on the ice is good and he knows when to pass and when to shoot. Fold back and support his defenseman in creating a turnover. Knows when to deke towards the net. You simply dont like him because of: among the oldest in his class, not scoring enough goals, is tall and seems slow, and because he's rated #2 NA skaters by CSS and his last name is Tkachuk.

He's an NHLer and if put with the good cast, will be productive and efficient. Better version of Milan Lucic for me. With better skating and vision/IQ. And Lucic was a monster for Boston. Averaging 60 pts playing with an edge. I want that in a 3rd overall pick.
 
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Funny. No but his awareness on the ice is good and he knows when to pass and when to shoot. Fold back and support his defenseman in creating a turnover. Knows when to deke towards the net. You simply dont like him because of: among the oldest in his class, not scoring enough goals, is tall and seems slow, and because he's rated #2 NA skaters by CSS and his last name is Tkachuk.

He's an NHLer and if put with the good cast, will be productive and efficient. Better version of Milan Lucic for me. With better skating and vision/IQ. And Lucic was a monster for Boston. Averaging 60 pts playing with an edge. I want that in a 3rd overall pick.
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So, you think he has tremendous IQ simply because he plays a pro style of game? That's to be expected from one of the oldest in the classes playing a more structured game in the NCAA. Tremendous hockey IQ is something that would separate you from your peers, an extra sense of space, timing, where the play is going, anticipating the play.. everything you are talking about is pretty much reactionary and is not an indication of tremendous hockey IQ, merely good hockey habits.. and this is from someone who has had every opportunity to be coached up since his father is a rich ex NHLer.

Who cares if he's an NHLer? it's a 3rd overall pick. If put with a good cast? That says he's complimentary, right there. A better version of Milan Lucic? They aren't even remotely the same player. Lucic was slow of foott, with a heavy shot, and a desire to kill people physically which he could do because of his frame and size which still remains pretty unique to this day.. but Lucic also suffers from what players like him do, they lose a step early, their desire to compete physically dwindles and then they become a complete hunk of shit on the ice. No one would touch Milan Lucic now and his decline happened before he turned 30. If anything, Tkachuk is a more skilled Roussell.. an agitator with some skill to his game. Tkachuk doesn't obliterate his opponents physically, he's more about nasty stick work and doing stupid shit in scrums. No one is scared of Brady Tkachuk putting them through the glass.
 
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SakuKoivu11 said:
Zadina is 6’1” 196lbs
Kotkaniemi is 6’2” 180lbs

Zadina better skater, scorer, physically.
Kotkaniemi better playmaker, defensively.

Not saying Zadina is not good defensively. But between the two. Zadina does throw his body around and isn’t shy about that. Just because he’s a sniper people get tunnel vision that Zadina isn’t good defensively or not a physical player. The best comparison is Marian Hossa.

Personally I don’t like projects when picking this top 5. Kotkaniemi is a project and may or may not turn out a superstar like Carey Price.


Also I really dislike when a GM say we pick players base on projections. Not how good they are now but how good they are in 5 years. Basically it means when don’t have a clue so let’s wait 5 years to find out.
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Kotkaniemi's got dat dere sisu. He's a hound in the corners and can be a nasty sumbitch.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
So, you think he has tremendous IQ simply because he plays a pro style of game? That's to be expected from one of the oldest in the classes playing a more structured game in the NCAA. Tremendous hockey IQ is something that would separate you from your peers, an extra sense of space, timing, where the play is going, anticipating the play.. everything you are talking about is pretty much reactionary and is not an indication of tremendous hockey IQ, merely good hockey habits.. and this is from someone who has had every opportunity to be coached up since his father is a rich ex NHLer.

Who cares if he's an NHLer? it's a 3rd overall pick. If put with a good cast? That says he's complimentary, right there. A better version of Milan Lucic? They aren't even remotely the same player. Lucic was slow of foott, with a heavy shot, and a desire to kill people physically which he could do because of his frame and size which still remains pretty unique to this day.. but Lucic also suffers from what players like him do, they lose a step early, their desire to compete physically dwindles and then they become a complete hunk of **** on the ice. No one would touch Milan Lucic now and his decline happened before he turned 30. If anything, Tkachuk is a more skilled Roussell.. an agitator with some skill to his game. Tkachuk doesn't obliterate his opponents physically, he's more about nasty stick work and doing stupid **** in scrums. No one is scared of Brady Tkachuk putting them through the glass.
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Then I guess my pick will be a better version of Roussel.

Still better than the numerous goal scoring wingers we see every goddamn draft that never panned out or even if they’re panning out, we find them every year it’s ridiculous. Nothing about Walhstrom for me is enticing. I rather keep Pacioretty and he’s an established player. We have Gally and Chucky that are both capable 30 goals scorer as well. If managed well, Lehkonen is can become an excellent goal scorer for us too. It’s time for something different, that’s my view for this pick and I believe Brady can bring something completely different from the rest of our players and system. Your hatred because he’s Keith son and all is exaggerated. Than good for him if he had the chance to grow up in a structured system. We won’t have to teach him a pro style game as much and let him grow different parts of his game. If we miss out on a scoring winger this year, they’ll be many more following years. You guys are so desperate in acquiring this number center that you’d take a chance on a top 15 rated Finnish kid. He’s no Barkov damn it. Look at all these wingers, every year they’re there:

Michael Dal Colle
Owen Tippett
Anthony Martha
Pavel Zacha
Brock Boeser
Jake Virtanen
Brendan Perlini
Kerby Rychel

All good goal scorers in their draft year. Wahlstrom lacks speed and other than goal scoring, he is pretty much clueless without the puck.

Rather pick Brady over Wahlstrom.

Tkachuk
Zadina
Dobson
Boqvist
Hughes

In that order for me. We can agree to disagree and that’s why these boards are here for.
 
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Jabba11 said:
Then I guess my pick will be a better version of Roussel.

Still better than the numerous goal scoring wingers we see every goddamn draft that never panned out or even if they’re panning out, we find them every year it’s ridiculous. Nothing about Walhstrom for me is enticing. I rather keep Pacioretty and he’s an established player. We have Gally and Chucky that are both capable 30 goals scorer as well. If managed well, Lehkonen is can become an excellent goal scorer for us too. It’s time for something different, that’s my view for this pick and I believe Brady can bring something completely different from the rest of our players and system. Your hatred because he’s Keith son and all is exaggerated. Than good for him if he had the chance to grow up in a structured system. We won’t have to teach him a pro style game as much and let him grow different parts of his game. If we miss out on a scoring winger this year, they’ll be many more following years. You guys are so desperate in acquiring this number center that you’d take a chance on a top 15 rated Finnish kid. He’s no Barkov damn it. Look at all these wingers, every year they’re there:

Michael Dal Colle
Owen Tippett
Anthony Martha
Pavel Zacha
Brock Boeser
Jake Virtanen
Brendan Perlini
Kerby Rychel

All good goal scorers in their draft year. Wahlstrom lacks speed and other than goal scoring, he is pretty much clueless without the puck.

Rather pick Brady over Wahlstrom.

Tkachuk
Zadina
Dobson
Boqvist
Hughes

In that order for me. We can agree to disagree and that’s why these boards are here for.
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First off, Wahlstrom does not lack speed- that's Tkachuk if it's anybody. And secondly, Rychel is far more like Tkachuk than Wahlstrom, same goes for Virtanen, Perlini and Zacha.

Boeser, Mantha, Tippett, and MDC are more like Wahlstrom.

The only players I have ahead of Wahlstrom are Dahlin, Svechnikov and Noah Dobson.
 
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Jabba11 said:
Wahlstrom lacks speed and other than goal scoring, he is pretty much clueless without the puck.

Rather pick Brady over Wahlstrom.

Tkachuk
Zadina
Dobson
Boqvist
Hughes

In that order for me. We can agree to disagree and that’s why these boards are here for.
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Wahlstrom lacks speed? :facepalm:
 
Habs76 said:
First off, Wahlstrom does not lack speed- that's Tkachuk if it's anybody. And secondly, Rychel is far more like Tkachuk than Wahlstrom, same goes for Virtanen, Perlini and Zacha.

Boeser, Mantha, Tippett, and MDC are more like Wahlstrom.

The only players I have ahead of Wahlstrom are Dahlin, Svechnikov and Noah Dobson.
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I'll never understand the desire to take a complimentary winger over:

A guy who can break the game wide open with one touch of the puck (Wahlstrom)
An unpressurable defenseman, with an unbelievable shot, and puck movement skills who plays within a pro structure despite offensively talent (Boqvist)
A potential two-way C who's very young for the draft and shown progression throughout the year (Kotkaniemi)
or a two-way blue-liner who can rush the puck, play 1st PP and 1st PK (Dobson)

I guess the ghosts of the Bruins near a decade ago still haunt people and they don't understand where the game has gone. Even the Bruins aren't the Bruins anymore. I can't imagine that anyone who wants Brady Tkachuk saw anything outside of the WJCs, specifically his play-offs in the NCAA where a guy "you win with" may have been the worst player on the ice.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
I'll never understand the desire to take a complimentary winger over:

A guy who can break the game wide open with one touch of the puck (Wahlstrom)
An unpressurable defenseman, with an unbelievable shot, and puck movement skills who plays within a pro structure despite offensively talent (Boqvist)
A potential two-way C who's very young for the draft and shown progression throughout the year (Kotkaniemi)
or a two-way blue-liner who can rush the puck, play 1st PP and 1st PK (Dobson)

I guess the ghosts of the Bruins near a decade ago still haunt people and they don't understand where the game has gone. Even the Bruins aren't the Bruins anymore. I can't imagine that anyone who wants Brady Tkachuk saw anything outside of the WJCs, specifically his play-offs in the NCAA where a guy "you win with" may have been the worst player on the ice.
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What's your view on Zadina then?

I don't disagree with your assessment of Boqvist and Dobson.
 
Jabba11 said:
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What's your view on Zadina then?

I don't disagree with your assessment of Boqvist and Dobson.
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He's a great sniper, but i have Wahlstrom rated higher due to have more in his repertoire as far as offensive contributions go. If I am picking a goal scoring winger at 3, that's who I take.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
I'll never understand the desire to take a complimentary winger over:

A guy who can break the game wide open with one touch of the puck (Wahlstrom)
An unpressurable defenseman, with an unbelievable shot, and puck movement skills who plays within a pro structure despite offensively talent (Boqvist)
A potential two-way C who's very young for the draft and shown progression throughout the year (Kotkaniemi)
or a two-way blue-liner who can rush the puck, play 1st PP and 1st PK (Dobson)

I guess the ghosts of the Bruins near a decade ago still haunt people and they don't understand where the game has gone. Even the Bruins aren't the Bruins anymore. I can't imagine that anyone who wants Brady Tkachuk saw anything outside of the WJCs, specifically his play-offs in the NCAA where a guy "you win with" may have been the worst player on the ice.
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You hit the nail on the head. I'm not 100% sold on Kotkaniemi, but.. yeah
 
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Wahlstrom has more tools than Zadina. I think he has a better shot arsenal, quicker and has great vision on the ice. Wahlstrom is also a high volume shooter. Whereas Zadina can kill you by getting to his spots on the ice, Wahlstrom can burn you from pretty much anywhere.

They are close, but I prefer Wahlstrom to Zadina.

Boqvist, my favorite at #3, is an ice tipper.

Dobson, who I’m not a super fan of, I would take in a heartbeat if Tkachuk was my other option.

Inside a vacuum, Tkachuk is a good player but he’s not the type of player we need. He doesn’t create offense so I wouldn’t count on him entering the ozone and doing power moves like Radulov and making plays. We don’t have those playmaking centers to make plays to leverage Tkachuk’s assets.
 
WeThreeKings said:
So, you think he has tremendous IQ simply because he plays a pro style of game? That's to be expected from one of the oldest in the classes playing a more structured game in the NCAA. Tremendous hockey IQ is something that would separate you from your peers, an extra sense of space, timing, where the play is going, anticipating the play.. everything you are talking about is pretty much reactionary and is not an indication of tremendous hockey IQ, merely good hockey habits.. and this is from someone who has had every opportunity to be coached up since his father is a rich ex NHLer.

Who cares if he's an NHLer? it's a 3rd overall pick. If put with a good cast? That says he's complimentary, right there. A better version of Milan Lucic? They aren't even remotely the same player. Lucic was slow of foott, with a heavy shot, and a desire to kill people physically which he could do because of his frame and size which still remains pretty unique to this day.. but Lucic also suffers from what players like him do, they lose a step early, their desire to compete physically dwindles and then they become a complete hunk of **** on the ice. No one would touch Milan Lucic now and his decline happened before he turned 30. If anything, Tkachuk is a more skilled Roussell.. an agitator with some skill to his game. Tkachuk doesn't obliterate his opponents physically, he's more about nasty stick work and doing stupid **** in scrums. No one is scared of Brady Tkachuk putting them through the glass.
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This is exactly the type of argumentation and analysis I enjoy reading in this thread. Worth the full price of admission, whatever that is. Nicely done.
 
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