Prospect Info: 2018 NHL Draft / Pick #9 - Vitali Kravtsov (RW) - Part V

[nyr2k2]

I mean, the Rangers have a front office staff that I'm fairly sure is well-versed in this stuff, and they can always call the central offices for clarification. I'm sure they'll play it smart, they haven't done anything to indicate otherwise.

 

[Viqsi]

I mean, the Rangers have a front office staff that I'm fairly sure is well-versed in this stuff, and they can always call the central offices for clarification. I'm sure they'll play it smart, they haven't done anything to indicate otherwise.

I'd frankly rather they not, but that's personal preference and divisional rivalry grumpiness rather than my expectation.

 

[Tawnos]

I mean, the Rangers have a front office staff that I'm fairly sure is well-versed in this stuff, and they can always call the central offices for clarification. I'm sure they'll play it smart, they haven't done anything to indicate otherwise.

Agreed. I'm going to go ahead and assume if he wears a Rangers sweater this season, they're not going to need to protect him in 2020.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I mean, the Rangers have a front office staff that I'm fairly sure is well-versed in this stuff, and they can always call the central offices for clarification. I'm sure they'll play it smart, they haven't done anything to indicate otherwise.

It's not like the Penguins front office who wanted to acquire Hagelin in a trade and had to be told by the league that it wasn't possible according to the CBA since they already retained money on Hagelin's contract

 

[AdamZHerman]

I read the section you just quoted as him being considered 20. It says nothing about September 15th in that section. What it does say is that a 20 year old is someone who reaches his 20th birthday in that calendar year. Kravtsov will be 20 in this calendar year.

The only thing that matters here is that Gorton looks into this with the league.

Also, that's fundamentally not the problem I'm running into. We all know ELC slides and pro season accrual are different things.

I am a messenger here, but I can tell you that NHL teams are not interpreting the way you are, nor did McKenzie, as someone previously pointed out. If the NHL decides to interpret it the way you are, then it's a complete 180 from what they've been telling everyone in the business.

The language is vague and complicated, though, and the NHL should probably do a better job of clearing this up publicly. I don't blame anyone for being confused because I was extremely confused while trying to sort this out for hours.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I am a messenger here, but I can tell you that NHL teams are not interpreting the way you are, nor did McKenzie, as someone previously pointed out. If the NHL decides to interpret it the way you are, then it's a complete 180 from what they've been telling everyone in the business.

The language is vague and complicated, though, and the NHL should probably do a better job of clearing this up publicly.

The CBA is public, and it's easy to find the information they agreed on back in 2013, but this expansion draft was never in play at the time and they never released any document explaining the rules unfortunately. It's a big grey area

 

[nyr2k2]

I am a messenger here, but I can tell you that NHL teams are not interpreting the way you are, nor did McKenzie, as someone previously pointed out. If the NHL decides to interpret it the way you are, then it's a complete 180 from what they've been telling everyone in the business.

The language is vague and complicated, though, and the NHL should probably do a better job of clearing this up publicly. I don't blame anyone for being confused because I was extremely confused while trying to sort this out for hours.

Honestly, as long as the teams have proper guidance, I don't think it matters whether the public can fully understand it. There's probably like a couple hundred people, max, that are getting into it to this level at the moment.

 

[GAGLine]

It's not like the Penguins front office who wanted to acquire Hagelin in a trade and had to be told by the league that it wasn't possible according to the CBA since they already retained money on Hagelin's contract

Or the Calgary front office a while back who signed O'Reilly to an offer sheet, not realizing that since he had played in Europe during the NHL season, he would be subject to waivers before being eligible to play for Calgary. Feaster was lucky that Colorado matched, though it probably still cost him his job.

 

[Tawnos]

I am a messenger here, but I can tell you that NHL teams are not interpreting the way you are, nor did McKenzie, as someone previously pointed out. If the NHL decides to interpret it the way you are, then it's a complete 180 from what they've been telling everyone in the business.

I think it's more likely that the NHL doesn't use the waivers article to determine this. I have yet to figure out a way to read 13.4 to say that Kravtsov can play for the Rangers this year and still be expansion draft exempt. McKenzie mentioned nothing about the waivers article, but again... the waivers article implies that a single game would equal an accrual. If they aren't using the waivers article (which I originally thought they used a different article, but @Amazing Kreiderman had me convinced otherwise), then this would all make perfect sense.

 

[RangerBoy]

July 31,2018

Basically, Hughes would have to appear in 11 NHL games this season to accrue that first year of professional service that was outlined in the expansion draft rules.

If the expansion draft does go ahead in the summer of 2020, Hughes will have only ever accumulated two years of professional services and thus would be excluded from needing protection.

If the whole process is delayed a year, then the 11 NHL games play into it and could deem him available. Michigan’s last game of the regular season is scheduled for March 2 and the first round of the Big Ten Conference would go the following weekend. It’s fair to assume that because of Michigan has its eyes on an NCAA title, Hughes wouldn’t even get a chance to appear in 11 NHL games as he will still be in school, so it shouldn’t be a worry.

The process was delayed until 2021.

The contract ramifications of Quinn Hughes returning to...

 

[Tawnos]

July 31,2018



The process was delayed until 2021.

The contract ramifications of Quinn Hughes returning to...

That article has Hughes being treated as a 19-year old, when the CBA section just cited says he's a 20-year old.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Great news on him likely signing to play in the AHL but no surprise. Kid has been talking about wanting to get the the NHL as soon as possible and giving him 12-15 games in the AHL will be perfect to help him prepare for next season. Very excited.

 

[romba]

Great news on him likely signing to play in the AHL but no surprise. Kid has been talking about wanting to get the the NHL as soon as possible and giving him 12-15 games in the AHL will be perfect to help him prepare for next season. Very excited.

Does it specifically say AHL or you're saying it's just more likely? Cuz the convo is regaridng him playing in the NHL and how it would affect his expansion draft status.

Draft ramifications aside, I'd definitely prefer he come to the big club, practice with the Rangers for a week or so and get his feet wet with the speed of the game and the rink size, and then ease him into his role in the lineup. Wouldn't harm his development imo as he's already coming from the second best men's pro league and our lineup already has unproven tweener youth cutting their teeth on the NHL game so why keep him from it when he's so damn eager to CONQUER the NHL which I LOVE about him.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Does it specifically say AHL or you're saying it's just more likely? Cuz the convo is regaridng him playing in the NHL and how it would affect his expansion draft status.

Draft ramifications aside, I'd definitely prefer he come to the big club, practice with the Rangers for a week or so and get his feet wet with the speed of the game and the rink size, and then ease him into his role in the lineup. Wouldn't harm his development imo as he's already coming from the second best men's pro league and our lineup already has unproven tweener youth cutting their teeth on the NHL game so why keep him from it when he's so damn eager to CONQUER the NHL which I LOVE about him.

Dont think it says, but it makes zero sense and would be incredibly dumb to play in the NHL this season for the reasons you said. He’ll get a PTO (ATO?) to play in HFD for the remainder of the season.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Dont think it says, but it makes zero sense and would be incredibly dumb to play in the NHL this season for the reasons you said. He’ll get a PTO (ATO?) to play in HFD for the remainder of the season.

PTO because he currently plays professional hockey

 

[Don Chytil]

In 2014-15, Reinhart and Bennett were in their D+1 year. Reinhart played 9 games and didn't have to be protected in 2017, while Bennett played 12 games and had to be protected.

Since the league has said that the same rules apply to the 2021 expansion draft, it's safe to assume that any player that plays less than 10 games in 2018-19 is exempt.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

In 2014-15, Reinhart and Bennett were in their D+1 year. Reinhart played 9 games and didn't have to be protected in 2017, while Bennett played 12 games and had to be protected.

Since the league has said that the same rules apply to the 2021 expansion draft, it's same to assume that any player that plays less than 10 games in 2018-19 is exempt.

It would have been more helpful had Reinhart played 10 because then we would have known for sure if it's the 10 or 11-game threshold.

 

[Tawnos]

In 2014-15, Reinhart and Bennett were in their D+1 year. Reinhart played 9 games and didn't have to be protected in 2017, while Bennett played 12 games and had to be protected.

Since the league has said that the same rules apply to the 2021 expansion draft, it's safe to assume that any player that plays less than 10 games in 2018-19 is exempt.

Would be applicable if both of them were in the same situation as Kravtsov, but one of them was not. Reinhart fell into the “turns 20 between September 16 and December 31” bowl that Kravtsov is in while Bennett didn’t. Though Reinhart’s situation does lend credence to the idea that Kravtsov won’t need protection.

 

[kovazub94]

It would have been more helpful had Reinhart played 10 because then we would have known for sure if it's the 10 or 11-game threshold.

Well, at least it indicates that it’s not 1 game.

 

[Larrybiv]

It's better than the previous expansion drafts where the new teams end up with some AHL guys and they need 10 ****ing years to build a team from scratch.

The teams agreed to this. FYI: Vegas is not involved in the Seattle expansion draft and therefore do not get a share from the 500m entrance fee.

Yeah, like they NEED the entry fee money. Lol. Pretty doggone sure they made more money than a greater part of the NHL last season. Tickets, Jersey sales (everyone had to start with and purchase their 1st jersey, right? Not like they had a closet full like @Machinehead and others here lol)
Parking, concessions......just an all around experience. All about every fan supporting them and spending money......in other ways than at the casinos.

 

[Larrybiv]

I've been tied up in this for 4 hours now. I've read 35 pages of the CBA today. I'm done. I can't do this anymore. I need a ****ing beer

Patience of a Saint. I would have needed that beer after just a couple of pages.

 

[Larrybiv]

Agreed. I'm going to go ahead and assume if he wears a Rangers sweater this season, they're not going to need to protect him in 2020.

I agree. Yeah at stake for Gorton to NOT , we have to "assume" this is the case. Too much for Gorton to risk and to NOT KNOW the exact circumstances.......puts the Rangers in conceivably the worst of scenarios. Can't be making a mistake here.
Would LOVE to see this kid this year, even for just a few games......would really give us a glimpse of what the future may soon bring.. ......excitement.

 

[Algernop Kreider]

Is it possible we could get an answer on this by tweeting at someone in the front office or one of the beat writers?

 

[EdJovanovski]

It’d be amazing if he joins the Rangers and I get to see him next week in Vancouver

 

[Tawnos]

It’d be amazing if he joins the Rangers and I get to see him next week in Vancouver

If it does turn out he will wear a Rangers sweater, we’re really looking at March 19 or 23, depending on if it’s the 10 or 11 game threshold.