Prospect Info: 2018 NHL Draft / Pick #22 - K'Andre Miller (D)
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Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
Yep. Had a feeling about that.
Makes the overpayment more bearable tbh, since he was "their guy" and they knew he was not going to be there at 26.
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Ducks have imo, the best scouting group since the late 2000s, so that's a compliment for Miller.
Sure they made some bad trades with their prospects, but their track record is excellent. They took 4 guys I really liked this year.
Anyhoo, I'm a little disappointed to hear he's going to Wisconsin, but if they've got a good relationship is Tony Granato, then you'd hope that helps in getting good insights while he's there, and K'Andre earns a top role. They'll have a veteran group, but none have the upside of Miller.
Sure they made some bad trades with their prospects, but their track record is excellent. They took 4 guys I really liked this year.
Anyhoo, I'm a little disappointed to hear he's going to Wisconsin, but if they've got a good relationship is Tony Granato, then you'd hope that helps in getting good insights while he's there, and K'Andre earns a top role. They'll have a veteran group, but none have the upside of Miller.
And not a bad team to scout good defenseman. They have another gem in Mahura who played with Hajek.
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
Good call. For those interested:
1. One game of course but not hard to see why he was picked so far ahead of Wilde.
2. Definitely makes some bad reads at times (dropping back too far when opponents are carrying the puck in, bad angles to the boards that cause him to get beat) but also has the physical gifts to make up for them (quickly closing bad gaps, quickly moving laterally to stop players with a step on him, using his strength along the wall to pin players who beat him to the puck). If this is due to low time in position and not his overall hockey IQ (which I think is a fair guess) this could really improve at Wisco. If so NYR could end up with a perfect modern 2way/defensive dman (and maybe just maybe upside for more). Very good looking player moving the puck through the neutral zone with a pass or his legs.
Watched entire game looked very good to me. Even made some nice plays in the offensive zone in the third period when game was tight.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Very coachable and a hard worker. That’s one of the big draws there.
Give the kid two-three years in college. There’s a lot of clay to work with there.
Ghost of jas
Unsatisfied
It’s really not that much of overpayment. It just looks bad because Dubas panicked when the Rangers traded up for Miller and took much less to drop three spots.
If he's your guy and you are in a Perhaps, perhaps not scenario you pull the trigger and get it done or your not doing what you are paid to do.
broadwayblue
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If he is their guy I'm fine with it. Apparently he was. I'm just sour because it seems like they paid a steep price to move up...and I'm pissed about them burning the final top 50 pick on a G.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Bottom line is whether we agree with the picks or not, love them or feel lukewarm, the Rangers went out and got who they wanted.
Their scouts identified their guys and they took them — even if it meant trading up.
Frankly, the concept of moving up with the second 1st round pick should not be a surprise. We’ve literally talked about it for weeks. Granted, there was the thought they might try to get into the teens, but the overall premise remains the same.
He looks like such a nice young man.
Community-minded. Well spoken. Loves his Mom. Obviously kind and considerate.
I'm going to enjoy watching him smash the hell out of our opponents.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
You (I think it’s you) keep pointing this out and everyone keeps ignoring it. Well, not to worry, my friend, *I* appreciate the point.
What does "community-minded" mean? I also don't think he's any more or less well spoken or loves his mom any more or less than any other draft choice. People are reading way too much into these interviews.
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
broadwayblue
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He stated he wants to get involved in community outreach . To give back and improve communities. He made it sound like a priority. More than what I've heard from anyone else.
Ghost of jas
Unsatisfied
Thank you. My next goal is to try and buck the Hughes hype so when the Rangers take a different top end center next year, there won’t be so much teeth-gnashing. Just like I tried to say Kravtsov could be a player the Rangers ‘go off the board’ for. My guess is it won’t work, and we’ll be right where we are right now.
I guess that's nice, people are still reading too much into these interviews.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
broadwayblue
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I think it goes to character...something many organizations look for. Obviously that doesn't make up for a lack of talent....but it is a nice complimentary piece.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Unfortunately I think we turned “character” into a more or a slight around here in the last 12 months.
I’ve often pushed back that while some of our prospects certainly rely heavily on their makeup, they are far more skilled than we give them credit for.
Howden, Andersson, Miller, etc., these kids are all natural leaders who are very high character players. But let’s not overlook the skill either — they’re all very talented as well.
Each of them has led by example on the ice. Each of them has showed up to play in big game situations. Howden and Andersson especially have produced far better than we acknowledge.
I really couldn’t care less if these kids ever win a skills competition. I want them to play a successful style of NHL hockey. I don’t care if they score goals off their hips, their sticks or their ass — they all count the same.
Do we have our franchise player yet? Probably not.
But I also think we can’t let the quest for the perfect, or the better, stand in the way of the good or the very good.
I’ve often pushed back that while some of our prospects certainly rely heavily on their makeup, they are far more skilled than we give them credit for.
Howden, Andersson, Miller, etc., these kids are all natural leaders who are very high character players. But let’s not overlook the skill either — they’re all very talented as well.
Each of them has led by example on the ice. Each of them has showed up to play in big game situations. Howden and Andersson especially have produced far better than we acknowledge.
I really couldn’t care less if these kids ever win a skills competition. I want them to play a successful style of NHL hockey. I don’t care if they score goals off their hips, their sticks or their ass — they all count the same.
Do we have our franchise player yet? Probably not.
But I also think we can’t let the quest for the perfect, or the better, stand in the way of the good or the very good.
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The community thing is not common to hear so maybe that correlates. That said how much can you gauge about a guy's character from one interview? He seems like a nice kid and I hope he's the second coming of Mother Teresa (OT but according to some she wasn't what she seemed like), but it's hard to gauge from one interview. As I said, seems like a nice guy. Hearing that he's coachable adds to that character. But let's not read too much into things. I remember when everyone thought Marvin Harrison and Ray Rice were high character guys.
Edge, my respect level for you went from 100% to 99.5%. You don't know how big of a pet peeve saying "could care less" is of mine.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Lol that’s because of this damn phone.
I know it’s couldn't care less.
It’s why I gave up trying to type moot point on this thing. You know how hard it is to keep changing it from mute?
BTW, I'm not knocking character. I don't think it just means that that player is a nice guy. Or even a leader. It also means that you will work hard to improve which is extremely important in this business. The problem is that "character" is usually thrown around for players that are not as skilled as other players to make them look better than they are. No one was talking about Dahlin and Svechnikov's character. And also hockey culture is really up its own ass with it. A lot of people think that these intangibles are way more important than they are. Hockey fans have a romantic view of hockey that doesn't correlate to winning as much as they think. At least not in today's game.
P.S. As a Giants fan one of my favorite things about Saquon Barkley is his character. Having your head screwed on well is extremely important in sports. However, in the NHL as I said people usually use it for future 3rd and 4th liners to rationalize why they should be drafted top 10.
P.S. As a Giants fan one of my favorite things about Saquon Barkley is his character. Having your head screwed on well is extremely important in sports. However, in the NHL as I said people usually use it for future 3rd and 4th liners to rationalize why they should be drafted top 10.
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