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GAGLine said:
Arizona would be. Look what they did last summer. With the way they played at the end of the year once they were healthy, I could see them loading up again. They really need to make the playoffs.
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Not sure who would be there at 5 who would be worth a big investment. I'd pay for Zadina, anyone else and I'd rather just pick the best Dman available at 9.
 
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For all the people who think the Sabres are just tankers not worth "rewarding"... in the time they've been rebuilding they've acquired at various times:

Ehrhoff
Leino
Ott
Moulson
Kane
Bogosian
Gionta
ROR
McGinn
Franson
Okposo

And the team HAD improved a little, but slipped backwards this year. My point is that they've never really been content to just ice the worst possible lineup they can. Things just haven't worked for them.
 
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On the topic of moving up:

Teams trading up in the top-15 since 2007: (earliest year Wikipedia has direct links to the trades)

2007:
Sharks trade 13th, 44th and next year's 3rdto St. Louis for 9th.
In actuality, the Sharks got Logan Couture for Lars Eller and two nobodies - Franchise altering move by the Sharks.

2008:
Leafs trade 7th, a 2nd and a 3rd to the Islanders for 5th. Islanders then flip that and a 2nd rounder for 9th, to the Predators.
In actuality, Luke Shenn, Colin Wilson and Josh Bailey moved places - Pretty much a nothing move, until Josh Bailey decided to kick ass a decade later.

Sabres flip 13th and next year's 3rd to the Kings for 12th.
In actuality, the Sabres got Tyler Myers for garbage - Sabres suck, but Myers was a great addition.

Senators trade 18th and next year's 3rd for 15th.
In actuality, the Senators got Erik Karlsson for garbage and garbage - If the Preds had Karlsson, there'd be no reason for the rest of the league to play...

2009:
Islanders trade 16th to Minnesota for 12th, 77th and 182nd.
In actuality, the Islanders got Calvin de Hann for Nick Leddy and Erik Haula - lol Islanders

2010:
Kings trade 19th and 59th to Florida for 15th.
In actuality, the Kings traded Nick Bjugstad and Jason Zucker for Derek Forbort - lol Kings (at least still had success, unlike the Islanders)

2012:
Sabres trade 21st and 42nd to Calgary for 14th.
In actuality, the Sabres traded Mark Jankowski for Zemgus Girgensons - meh. Kind of a nothing trade, but Jankowski looks better

2016:
Senators trade 12th and 80th to the Devils for 11th
Too soon to actually have an outcome
 
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Tawnos said:
For all the people who think the Sabres are just tankers not worth "rewarding"... in the time they've been rebuilding they've acquired at various times:

Ehrhoff
Leino
Ott
Moulson
Kane
Bogosian
Gionta
ROR
McGinn
Franson
Okposo

And the team HAD improved a little, but slipped backwards this year. My point is that they've never really been content to just ice the worst possible lineup they can. Things just haven't worked for them.
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That list is filled with guys they pounced on after having one good year, and that's their problem. Perhaps they're too aggressive.

But you're right, they've never really tanked it up.
 
jas said:
I agree about Ottawa...not sure about Arizona. They did trade for Stepan and Hjalmarsson last year. They finished the season strong. Maybe Zucc and 9 for Perlini and 5?
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If it's one pick for one pick at the end of the day with other moving parts, I'm willing to make a move.

I'm not willing to deal 9 + 20-whatever under any circumstances.
 
Machinehead said:
I agree 100% there.

But I'd rather have Bouchard+Bokk or Farabee+Woo (for example) than just Zadina.

I'd be more open to trading up next year if we think somebody is definitely the franchise 1C, because we already have a bunch of good but not elite centers.

I see the draft as being similar to a game. You can't ignore quality nor can you ignore your own system, but you still want more shots on net than the other guy.
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I think Gorton has options. I wouldn't necessarily target Zadina, although, one would think that the Rangers have had their eyes on him. Maybe they move Zuccarello for either Florida or Dallas' 1st, then use one of the late 1sts to move up from 9. You still have three 1st rounders.
 
Machinehead said:
That list is filled with guys they pounced on after having one good year, and that's their problem. Perhaps they're too aggressive.

But you're right, they've never really tanked it up.
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Oh, I totally agree that some of those were ill-advised. Leino, in particular, is one of the worst UFA signings in league history. Worse than any we've made except for Redden.

And that's been a lot of their problem. Bad management as much as anything. Oh, and a crop of solid prospects before they even got Eichel didn't yield much. That's bad luck.
 
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jas said:
I think Gorton has options. I wouldn't necessarily target Zadina, although, one would think that the Rangers have had their eyes on him. Maybe they move Zuccarello for either Florida or Dallas' 1st, then use one of the late 1sts to move up from 9. You still have three 1st rounders.
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I would do this if it gets us Boqvist.
 
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Machinehead said:
Zemgus Girgonsons
Pontus Aberg
Anthony Stolarz (Team trading down got Sergei Bobrovsky)
Matt Nieto (Team trading down got Shayne Gostisbehere)
Dalton Thrower
Brian Hart
Jimmy Vesey (for the team that took him)
Oskar Sundqvist
Adam Tambellini
Rhett Holland
Christoph Lalancette
Charles Hudon
Seth Griffith
Thomas Spelling
Ryan Rupert (team trading down got Josh Manson)

Best part? This is one draft.

Want me to bring up some other drafts?
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Not gonna check all of them, but off the top of my head, Tambellini was a 3rd for 3rd pick swap, the year earlier and Stolarz was a player for pick. Not exactly what I'd call moving picks to move up.
 
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I think it's more likely they trade up from one of the late firsts to like 18-22ish. It's more affordable and if they're boxed into someone "safe" with the high pick (Farabee, Smith etc) that could be where a Noel, Merkley etc. ends up. If they like one of those guys they have the assets to take the swing.
 
Arizona will be looking to compete next year, BANK on that. There's only so many years of losing hockey they can endure. They might not be a bad trading partner.
 
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Machinehead said:
I would do this if it gets us Boqvist.
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Aside from the fantasy of winning 2nd overall and getting Svechnikov, Boqvist is the player I've wanted all along...him and Kravtsov. If Gorton can deliver those two players, everything else in this draft will be gravy. (I would like Jake Wise, though.)
 
Holden the Stick said:
I think it's more likely they trade up from one of the late firsts to like 18-22ish. It's more affordable and if they're boxed into someone "safe" with the high pick (Farabee, Smith etc) that could be where a Noel, Merkley etc. ends up. If they like one of those guys they have the assets to take the swing.
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That's not what McKenzie and now Brooks are saying will be the approach.
 
jas said:
Aside from the fantasy of winning 2nd overall and getting Svechnikov, Boqvist is the player I've wanted all along...him and Kravtsov. If Gorton can deliver those two players, everything else in this draft will be gravy. (I would like Jake Wise, though.)
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Kravstov has the chance to be a high-end winger without having to pick 0th overall, and we can use the highest pick to address defense.

I agree that this organization lacks a high-end winger, but we've shown we can score without one. We haven't show we can even defend and nNHL level.
 
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Machinehead said:
Kravstov has the chance to be a high-end winger without having to pick 0th overall, and we can use the highest pick to address defense.

I agree that this organization lacks a high-end winger, but we've shown we can score without one. We haven't show we can even defend and nNHL level.
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We might not be able to continue to score like that without a certain gum-chewer keeping open the floodgates. But maybe we shouldn't have that argument here.
 
GregSirico said:
I'd do it for either Zadina or Boqvist.
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I like Zadina, but that still leaves me wondering who our #1 defenseman is for the next 15 years.

I know it's a crapshoot but a defenseman with our high pick at least gives us a chance. I could see any of the 4-10 defensemen developing into an ace.
 
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Machinehead said:
Kravstov has the chance to be a high-end winger without having to pick 0th overall, and we can use the highest pick to address defense.

I agree that this organization lacks a high-end winger, but we've shown we can score without one. We haven't show we can even defend and nNHL level.
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Yes, Gorton needs to build a defense. I think he did a good job on the left side at the deadline, but, the right side needs major improving. Shattenkirk is not a long term answer, and Pionk and ADA both have a long way to go, and are likely 2nd pair Dmen at best.
 
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Tawnos said:
We might not be able to continue to score like that without a certain gum-chewer keeping open the floodgates. But maybe we shouldn't have that argument here.
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You might have a point, but I have my misgivings on the idea that the guy who hated shooting was the guy making our offense good.

I guess we'll find out.
 
Machinehead said:
I like Zadina, but that still leaves me wonder who our #1 defenseman is for the next 15 years.

I know it's a crapshoot but a defenseman with our high pick at least gives us a chance. I could see any of the 4-10 defensemen developing into an ace.
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Karlsson will be our number one for 5, so who cares lol.
 
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