GDT: 2018 IIHF World Championship

[Kovalev27]

this is not a good showing for our boy. he needed to run with this opportunity. bounced back well in the first after early goal but has not been very good at all.

lucky for Russia kuemper is awful. 4-4

Russia wins today you won't see igor again in this tourney

 

[SnowFort]

He started strong but has looked shaky and almost sloppy in the second half of the game. Now to OT..

 

[eco's bones]

Is HF broken, or just me? I can't follow or comment on these games because nothing will load but maybe 1 out of 10 tries.

It's been shit the last couple-three days.

 

[Kshahdoo]

That 4th goal was on Shesterkin. I mean not Dubois shot, but Jost's one, it was a bad rebound control.

 

[FultonReed]

nothing he could really do on that redirection by O'Reilly. glad he got a shot to prove himself, here, regardless

 

[ponytrekker]

That 4th goal was on Shesterkin. I mean not Dubois shot, but Jost's one, it was a bad rebound control.

GWG too. MCDavid was never going to shoot that.

 

[Kovalev27]

He started strong but has looked shaky and almost sloppy in the second half of the game. Now to OT..

Yeah it’s not a good game. And it comes at a really bad time. Kid beats up on bad teams never gets to be THE guy gets his shot today and has been incredibly average at best.

Beat early. Then settled down but hasn’t given his team a chance to take a lead. Keeps giving up the go ahead. And finally loses it in OT.

Need some big time saves in a game like this. Neither team got them.

He really needed a statement game as far as I’m concerned. I still really worry about his size. He’s small. There’s no way he’s 6’1 (hanks size who’s also small in this day and age). He’s probably 5’11 maybe 6 foot at best.

I really hope I’m wrong but I think this kid is incredibly overhyped and has a lot to prove. Playing for ska as a backup crushing bad teams means nothing. I like Georgiev better right now I do.

This game does nothing for me to change that. Big time flop in a big time spot against actual nhl talent.

 

[Fvital92]

Lol. The other goalkeeper won one of 3 best players for Russia.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Absurd comments.

He faced 40+ shots against an NHL All-Star team. Only let up one bad goal. Three of the five he had absolutely no chance.

Some also don't seem to realize that not all shots are the same. When your team is dominated all game, you are facing tougher shots and you have to get into position more often to make saves. The Canadian goalie had nothing to do, barely any tough shots faced, and still put up a worse save percentage during this game, despite giving up less goals.

 

[Irishguy42]

Lot of PP goals against, including a 4v3. Whatever.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

And just on the other goalie winning one of the Russian players of the tournament, it shows how dumb their coaching staff is.

Shestyorkin had a .942 SV% in the tournament. Koshechkin had a .913 SV% in the tournament. At the end of the tournament, .942 might be the best SV% in the tournament, but I guess that isn't good enough to win one of the three players of the tournament for your team.

 

[Kovalev27]

Absurd comments.

He faced 40+ shots against an NHL All-Star team. Only let up one bad goal. Three of the five he had absolutely no chance.

Some also don't seem to realize that not all shots are the same. When your team is dominated all game, you are facing tougher shots and you have to get into position more often to make saves. The Canadian goalie had nothing to do, barely any tough shots faced, and still put up a worse save percentage during this game, despite giving up less goals.

Oh stop nothing absurd about it he needed to be a lot better than that. He wasn’t. He’s got to prove himself. He had a real good chance to do so today and he didn’t. He usually faces 18 shots a game against garbage and gets praised as a top talent.

So have to call a spade a spade. Had a big spot against legit talent for a change where he for once had to be the best player for his team. He was not.

He has a lot to prove as far as I’m concerned. He has to prove he can be an nhler he then has to prove he can be a starter at his size. He then has to prove he can be a good starter at his size for a team that isn’t going to be the most dominant every night like ska usually is.

 

[Fvital92]

And just on the other goalie winning one of the Russian players of the tournament, it shows how dumb their coaching staff is.

Shestyorkin had a .942 SV% in the tournament. Koshechkin had a .913 SV% in the tournament. At the end of the tournament, .942 might be the best SV% in the tournament, but I guess that isn't good enough to win one of the three players of the tournament for your team.

Until this game Shestyorkin was at 1.000 SV%, so this particularly stat doesn't help his case in this game.

The goals weren't his fault, but I must say that Georgiev impressed me more in his NHLs starts than Shesty in these games.

 

[Kovalev27]

And just on the other goalie winning one of the Russian players of the tournament, it shows how dumb their coaching staff is.

Shestyorkin had a .942 SV% in the tournament. Koshechkin had a .913 SV% in the tournament. At the end of the tournament, .942 might be the best SV% in the tournament, but I guess that isn't good enough to win one of the three players of the tournament for your team.

Not when you’re putting it up against France Belarus and Slovakia.

then when you play an actual hockey country you get shelled for 5 against.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Meh, it was one game and he wasn't terrible.

Like any goalie, you should take his potential with a grain of salt, but I'm not gonna hold it against him that an NHL all-star team potted five on him with 40 shots and two PPGs.

I wish that we had an agreement with the KHL that allowed him to come compete for the backup spot next year, and then just head back over if he doesn't get it. I'm tired of getting second-hand reports on him and only getting to see highlight reels.

 

[Kovalev27]

he absolutely needs to come over so we can see what he actually is. again I'm sorry but dominating for SKA means NOTHING. there are like 4 teams in the KHL that literally are a tier above the rest of the league. they don't belong on the same ice. SKA dominates. so being a back up or 1B on Ska not even the clear GUY on that teams does nothing for me.

I like everything about the kid other than his size and his rebound control which I know allaire can improve. but you cannot improve size. and he's small. real small. he has a really good demeanor doesn't seem like he gets fazed easily but again when has he ever had to be fazed? he's never playing against top competition. he's always a back up.

I think that a lot of people anointing him hanks replacement need to temper things until we see him on the small ice against much bigger stronger faster and talented players. We've seen georgiev and his game actually translates better at the nhl level than it does at the ahl level.

so we'll see. its a real shame he can't come this year because he's going to spend another season facing 18 shots a night for SKA and dominating.

 

[Kovalev27]

I want to see huska too. another one that can't sign soon enough. he's at the opposite end of the spectrum he's always playing for terrible teams. but he's always his team's best player. he has every tool you want. little slow but that can be improved. I really want us to sign him. I think between georgiev shesterkin and huska you have your next guy there. but I want to see whos going to take the job. I don't think its neccesarily shesterkin that does.

 

[Harbour Dog]

I want to see huska too. another one that can't sign soon enough. he's at the opposite end of the spectrum he's always playing for terrible teams. but he's always his team's best player. he has every tool you want. little slow but that can be improved. I really want us to sign him. I think between georgiev shesterkin and huska you have your next guy there. but I want to see whos going to take the job. I don't think its neccesarily shesterkin that does.

Do we know if Huska is going to turn pro for next season? Would be awesome if we had a good young goalie breaking into the AHL along with all of our other up and comers.

I'm operating under the assumption that Georgiev earns the backup spot; not a given, I know.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Oh stop nothing absurd about it he needed to be a lot better than that. He wasn’t. He’s got to prove himself. He had a real good chance to do so today and he didn’t. He usually faces 18 shots a game against garbage and gets praised as a top talent.
So have to call a spade a spade. Had a big spot against legit talent for a change where he for once had to be the best player for his team. He was not.
He has a lot to prove as far as I’m concerned. He has to prove he can be an nhler he then has to prove he can be a starter at his size. He then has to prove he can be a good starter at his size for a team that isn’t going to be the most dominant every night like ska usually is.

I've heard your talking points many times before about Shestyorkin. Not tall enough, he's not as tall as the listing, doesn't face enough good teams, smaller goalies don't do well in the NHL anymore, not as good as Huska, etc.

I'm trying to add perspective here. I think you are acting reactionary. What does he have to prove? He needs a 41 save shutout against Canada? Kinkaid was 40 of 44 against Canada, Shestyorkin 36 of 41. Not that big of a difference between those two performances, but I guess losses bring out reactionary people. You say its a big spot and you want to call a spade a spade, but then don't qualify it to say that he put up a better SV% in this game than the average against Canada in this tournament.

You also just rubbish the other games. I guess those games don't matter at all, but we should be lead to believe every team he'll face in his career will better the NHL salary cap by like 20M or that any game he'll play for with the Rangers will be as bad as this Russia team was. If we balance it all out, he had a very good SV% in this tournament, and had a better SV% in this game than the average against Canada during this tournament.

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

And just on the other goalie winning one of the Russian players of the tournament, it shows how dumb their coaching staff is.

Shestyorkin had a .942 SV% in the tournament. Koshechkin had a .913 SV% in the tournament. At the end of the tournament, .942 might be the best SV% in the tournament, but I guess that isn't good enough to win one of the three players of the tournament for your team.

Who'd he beat? That's good enough to get top three? At least he got experience.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Until this game Shestyorkin was at 1.000 SV%, so this particularly stat doesn't help his case in this game.

The goals weren't his fault, but I must say that Georgiev impressed me more in his NHLs starts than Shesty in these games.

Georgiyev hasn't faced a team that betters the NHL salary cap by like 20M nor has he played with as bad of a team around him in the NHL as this Russia team was. There's a reason its dumb to judge on one game. There's also a reason he's been better than Georgiyev their whole careers. You mention the other games, but what did he do wrong in those games? Should he have scored from the goal? Saving every shot wasn't enough?

 

[Kovalev27]

prove me wrong igor go and do it. that's what he has to do. he almost never gets the chance to do so. got one today and fell on his face. if he's keith kinkaid well congrats we have an nhl back up. that is not good enough considering the hype he gets.

and no the other games don't mean anything they are rubbish as you said. who cares about shutting out france and Belarus on 18 shots? he should be doing that.

believe me I want to be proven wrong here. we need an elite goaltender of the future. I like everyone here hope he's that. but he to me does not have the tools to be that and if the argument is how well he's played for SKA or how well he's played against France or Algeria well that doesn't do anything for me.

You also told me my comments about bereglazov were absurd as well. another SKA guy. don't forget that. what do you think Pavelec's numbers would look like playing for SKA? he'd be an all star.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

prove me wrong igor go and do it. that's what he has to do. he almost never gets the chance to do so. got one today and fell on his face. if he's keith kinkaid well congrats we have an nhl back up. that is not good enough considering the hype he gets.

and no the other games don't mean anything they are rubbish as you said. who cares about shutting out france and Belarus on 18 shots? he should be doing that.

believe me I want to be proven wrong here. we need an elite goaltender of the future. I like everyone here hope he's that. but he to me does not have the tools to be that and if the argument is how well he's played for SKA or how well he's played against France or Algeria well that doesn't do anything for me.

You also told me my comments about bereglazov were absurd as well. another SKA guy. don't forget that. what do you think Pavelec's numbers would look like playing for SKA? he'd be an all star.

You are a fan. He has to prove himself to Jeff Gorton and the next Ranger coach. I'd say he's well on his way to doing that. I think you are fear-mongering towards fans who read these comments, and didn't watch any of these games. But I get it. You are ceasing on your opportunity now to criticize him, I mentioned the talking points you use against him. He wasn't even bad today, so I don't think its even such a good case against for this game, but I guess you gotta take your chance when you get it. You also completely distorted the point I was making about Kinkaid. Kinkaid is 28 with years of NHL experience, Shestyorkin is 22. Performances against Canada were pretty similar.

Bereglazov is not a SKA guy, so thats wrong, but bringing him up makes my point for me. You called him a joke all season, and this is one of the players Shestyorkin has playing in front of him. The tournament was more than one game, he might end the tournament with the best SV%. He has a .935 SV% the last two years in the KHL, he has records in the Russian lower leagues, he was great at the WJC. Pretty much every predictor of success, he's reached so far. No one proves themselves in the NHL before they reach the NHL. I'd say a player who plays in the second best league in the world and is performing well for his National Team is coming as close to proving themselves prior to actually doing so in the NHL as one could do. Ray Ferraro stated emphatically during the game that Shestyorkin will be the heir-apparent to Lundqvist, but I guess you know better.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Lol at the unwarranted hate Igor is getting.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Who'd he beat? That's good enough to get top three? At least he got experience.

Koshechkin: 10 of 10 saves against France. 14 of 14 saves against Austria. 21 of 25 saves against Czech Republic. 24 of 27 saves against Switzerland. 26 or 28 saves against Sweden.

Shestyorkin: 4 of 4 saves against Austria. 18 of 18 saves against Belarus. 23 of 23 saves against Slovakia. 36 of 41 saves against Canada.

What the critics don't mention is that outplaying someone like Koshechkin isn't a complete nothing fete. He's no great goalie, but he's no worse than an NHL back up goalie. He's probably just too old to attract NHL interest at this point. Shestyorkin outplayed Koskinen with SKA the past two seasons who just signed to be an NHL back up. So lets keep this all in mind that he's outplaying finished product goalies who are NHL level players. He's 22, not some finished product either. But the critics treat it like he has to pitch 40+ save shutouts against a 100M cap roster.