NHL Entry Draft 2018 Draft - Prospect Discussion (Poll added)

[Sens of Anarchy]

jake wise is a name that could fall to us at the penguins pick... could. could..could.

Lots of decent looking players .. that will fall to or go in the 2nd as well. Faudy (london nights) stood out in a good way. We are going to miss our 2nd and 3rd picks in the quest to get younger and faster (and hopefully more skilled).

 

[BondraTime]

Lots of decent looking players .. that will fall to or go in the 2nd as well. Faudy (london nights) stood out in a good way. We are going to miss our 2nd and 3rd picks in the quest to get younger and faster (and hopefully more skilled).

Faudy is going to go in the 20-30 range I would imagine, he's the definition of late riser

 

[branch]

Lots of decent looking players .. that will fall to or go in the 2nd as well. Faudy (london nights) stood out in a good way. We are going to miss our 2nd and 3rd picks in the quest to get younger and faster (and hopefully more skilled).

Didn't we get a 3rd in the Brassard deal?

 

[BondraTime]

Didn't we get a 3rd in the Brassard deal?

2019 3rd

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Didn't we get a 3rd in the Brassard deal?

We gave up a 3rd 2018 round pick in that deal while Vegas ate 2M of Brass' cap hit this year and next. Got Pitts' 2019 3rd.

Funnily enough we gave up a our 2nd this year so Brassard's bonuses would be paid before acquiring him. That pick will be within 4-7 picks of the 1st which was the big asset we got for dealing him to the Penguins.

Asset. Managment. 3 year extension. Turd. Sundae.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Didn't we get a 3rd in the Brassard deal?

We gave a 2018 3rd to Pittsburgh. We got a 2019 3rd and Ian Cole .. who we turned into a 2020 3rd

 

[Burrowsaurus]

We gave up a 3rd 2018 round pick in that deal while Vegas ate 2M of Brass' cap hit this year and next. Got Pitts' 2019 3rd.

Funnily enough we gave up a our 2nd this year so Brassard's bonuses would be paid before acquiring him. That pick will be within 4-7 picks of the 1st which was the big asset we got for dealing him to the Penguins.

Asset. Managment. 3 year extension. Turd. Sundae.

yeah dorion seems like hes really just spinning in circles.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

yeah dorion seems like hes really just spinning in circles.

Dude is like Scooby Doo and Randy Lee is Shaggy. They're both trying to figure out the mystery of the cheap owner.

 

[Micklebot]

Damn. Forgot we gave up this years 3rd. No picks in the 2nd and 3rd is going to suck.

 

[HSF]

Wouldnt be surprised if we get a pick back in a hoffman deal

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Wouldnt be surprised if we get a pick back in a hoffman deal

Some chocolate sprinkles on another turd sundae.

Seriously though, is this idea supposed to be appetising to Sens fans?

 

[HSF]

Some chocolate sprinkles on another turd sundae.

what?

 

[BondraTime]

Wouldnt be surprised if we get a pick back in a hoffman deal

We will get pick(s) for sure if/when we trade Hoffman, but that doesn't change the fact we have been loose changing our scouting staff for the past 2 years.

Again, all due to money so can't totally fault Dorion there, but if money wasn't an issue (Brassard bonus and Brassard's retaining salary for sure, and very possibly the 3rd we traded in 2019 for Colorado to take Hammond, who is now starting in the playoffs) we would go into this draft with picks #33 and #64, both of which should very good guys, along with whatever we receive from Hoffman and whoever else we will be trading, as well as having two 3rds in 2019 instead of just Pittsburgh's.

We need to take our draft picks off the table for Eugene to use as personal money, as that has been the case for the past 2 years. That shouldn't be an option for an NHL team not in a cap crunch like the Hawks in the past.

 

[Micklebot]

Don't forget about that 7th round pick we got back in the original Brassard Zibanejad deal, that's our next Dzingel right there.

 

[HSF]

We will get pick(s) for sure if/when we trade Hoffman, but that doesn't change the fact we have been loose changing our scouting staff for the past 2 years.

Again, all due to money so can't totally fault Dorion there, but if money wasn't an issue (Brassard bonus and Brassard's retaining salary for sure, and very possibly the 3rd we traded in 2019 for Colorado to take Hammond, who is now starting in the playoffs) we would go into this draft with picks #33 and #64, both of which should very good guys, along with whatever we receive from Hoffman and whoever else we will be trading, as well as having two 3rds in 2019 instead of just Pittsburgh's.

We need to take our draft picks off the table for Eugene to use as personal money, as that has been the case for the past 2 years. That shouldn't be an option for an NHL team not in a cap crunch like the Hawks in the past.

Im confused. Most of our picks last year were moved to make our team better. Phaneuf deal, Wingels deal, Stalberg deal and Condon deal.

The year before we traded our 3rd to move up to grab Logan Brown and we also lost a 7th in the Shane Prince deal


Are you seriously crying about a 2nd rounder and maybe a 3rd rounder that were used 'the last two years'?

 

[BondraTime]

Im confused. Most of our picks last year were moved to make our team better. Phaneuf deal, Wingels deal, Stalberg deal and Condon deal.

The year before we traded our 3rd to move up to grab Logan Brown and we also lost a 7th in the Shane Prince deal

We traded our 2018 2nd for NYR to hold off on the Brassard trade until his 2 million dollar bonus wasv paid by the Rangers, saving Eugene 2 million

We traded our 2018 3rd, only after the trade was botched and we needed Vegas to retain, as we didn't want to retain on Brassard. Vegas was solely brought in to retain money. Saving Eugene a couple million

We included Hammond and his salary, which we were desperately trying to get out of our payroll, along with a 2019 3rd for Colorado to take Hammond (they never even wanted him on their farm team). Saving Eugene a million.

The trades you are mentioning are hockey trades, completely different obviously, which is probably why you're confused.

They had nothing to do with money which is what the whole conversation is about.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Don't forget about that 7th round pick we got back in the original Brassard Zibanejad deal, that's our next Dzingel right there.

That's right! We're gonna draft someone better in that spot anyways than where we would have drafted at 33 or 64 according to Pierre.

 

[Micklebot]

5th in 2014 to save on the remainder of Hemsky
2nd in 2018 to save 2 mil of Brassard's bonus
3rd in 2019 to take Hammond.
3rd in 2018 to get Vegas to retain on Brassard (though I think the 3rd we got back for the next draft year was in part to compensate for that, as it was the Pens that wanted the retention not us).

I won't count anything from the deal to acquire Phaneuf as that one is a little hokey.

Am I missing anything?

So, roughly speaking, a 2nd, two 3rds and a 5th sold for about 8 6.5 mil

* correction, forgot to prorate the first year of Brass' deal, and it's the difference between this years third and the pens 3rd in 2019.

 

[HSF]

We traded our 2018 2nd for NYR to hold off on the Brassard trade until his 2 million dollar bonus wasv paid by the Rangers, saving Eugene 2 million

We traded our 2018 3rd, only after the trade was botched and we needed Vegas to retain, as we didn't want to retain on Brassard. Vegas was solely brought in to retain money. Saving Eugene a couple million

We included Hammond and his salary, which we were desperately trying to get out of our payroll, along with a 2019 3rd for Colorado to take Hammond (they never even wanted him on their farm team). Saving Eugene a million.

The trades you are mentioning are hockey trades, completely different obviously, which is probably why you're confused.

They had nothing to do with money which is what the whole conversation is about.

Actually we didn't need vegas to retain Pitts did. I think this is a very jaded view of what happened in that deal. We don't know the specifics of the original deal but we do know that Ottawa and Pitts had to rework what was originally offered so that they both were swapping something . I think you are stretching on that one

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

5th in 2014 to save on the remainder of Hemsky
2nd in 2018 to save 2 mil of Brassard's bonus
3rd in 2019 to take Hammond.
3rd in 2018 to get Vegas to retain on Brassard (though I think the 3rd we got back for the next draft year was in part to compensate for that, as it was the Pens that wanted the retention not us).

I won't count anything from the deal to acquire Phaneuf as that one is a little hokey.

Am I missing anything?

So, roughly speaking, a 2nd, two 3rds and a 5th sold for about 8 mil

Doesn't look like anything to me.

 

[BondraTime]

Actually we didn't need vegas to retain Pitts did. I think this is a very jaded view of what happened in that deal. We don't know the specifics of the original deal but we do know that Ottawa and Pitts had to rework what was originally offered so that they both were swapping something . I think you are stretching on that one

Then why wouldn't we retain? Because we needed someone else too, obviously. Otherwise the deal was much simpler, instead of the gongshow that turned into a full day trade call.

Pittsburgh needed to get rid of Reeves, who we obviously didn't want, and have money retained on Brassard. We weren't going to offer either, so Vegas needed to be included.

 

[HSF]

5th in 2014 to save on the remainder of Hemsky
2nd in 2018 to save 2 mil of Brassard's bonus
3rd in 2019 to take Hammond.
3rd in 2018 to get Vegas to retain on Brassard (though I think the 3rd we got back for the next draft year was in part to compensate for that, as it was the Pens that wanted the retention not us).

I won't count anything from the deal to acquire Phaneuf as that one is a little hokey.

Am I missing anything?

So, roughly speaking, a 2nd, two 3rds and a 5th sold for about 8 mil

we swapped 3rds though so how are we losing a 3rd? and we aren't sure if that is what actually happened in the deal it could be that Pitts thought they were giving up a lot in Gus and a 1st

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Actually we didn't need vegas to retain Pitts did. I think this is a very jaded view of what happened in that deal. We don't know the specifics of the original deal but we do know that Ottawa and Pitts had to rework what was originally offered so that they both were swapping something . I think you are stretching on that one

Read what you just wrote there. Pittsburgh needed retained salary and we didn't provide that and got a 3rd party involved. What conclusion would you come to knowing that?

 

[Micklebot]

Actually we didn't need vegas to retain Pitts did. I think this is a very jaded view of what happened in that deal. We don't know the specifics of the original deal but we do know that Ottawa and Pitts had to rework what was originally offered so that they both were swapping something . I think you are stretching on that one

Yeah, I think if we didn't give up that third, we wouldn't have gotten the Pens 3rd. Not quite a wash, as the pens 3rd probably won't be as good as ours, and it's a year later, but not quite a 3rd to save EM 4 mil. Maybe I should take it off my list above, so one less 3rd, and 2.5 mil less

 

[HSF]

Read what you just wrote there. Pittsburgh needed retained salary and we didn't provide that and got a 3rd party involved. What conclusion would you come to knowing that?

Either case we swapped 3rd so we aren't gaining or losing a 3rd.