NHL Entry Draft 2018 Draft - Prospect Discussion (Poll added)

[SPF6ty9]

Nobodies advocating throwing away a 4th OA. What's being suggested is rolling the dice to see if we can get a much better asset by waiting a year, and while the risk in doing so is certainly up for debate, it's nowhere near throwing away the pick. It's more akin to somebody advocating choosing a Tkachuk level player vs Wahlstrom vs Bouchard vs Dobson level player except the with the fringe benefit of maybe we end up with Dahlin should the balls fall in our favour.

It's funny, because tons of people have advocated trading back as far as 8th or 10th OA, just to get an extra 2nd round pick or something. That's the reality of 4th OA this year, it's not separated from 10th OA by all that much this year. If we had a pick in the 8-10th OA slot, there'd be no where near the friction with suggesting we hand it off to Colorado, but in reality, the player we get at 4th may not be all that different than who's available at 8th-10th because of how wide open it is this year.

Well put. I'm starting to warm a little more to the "give it away" option, enough to seriously consider it. Especially since it becomes more apparent by the day we're probably headed for a full scale teardown.

Without Karlsson and Hoffman and with returns that will have not have near the same impacts in the short run I would all but guarantee no playoffs. We may not be as bad as this year, but we will almost for sure be a lottery team, which means another shot at the top 3 with probably the likely scenario being a pick in the mid-late top 10.

But if you give up the pick, the optics of the team are already bad (and will be worse if Karlsson is dealt) so that won't change much for the fans. How will it effect the team and their performance? Will it motivate them or will they play like they've already given up?

 

[Micklebot]

Well put. I'm starting to warm a little more to the "give it away" option, enough to seriously consider it. Especially since it becomes more apparent by the day we're probably headed for a full scale teardown.

Without Karlsson and Hoffman and with returns that will have not have near the same impacts in the short run I would all but guarantee no playoffs. We may not be as bad as this year, but we will almost for sure be a lottery team, which means another shot at the top 3 with probably the likely scenario being a pick in the mid-late top 10.

But if you give up the pick, the optics of the team are already bad (and will be worse if Karlsson is dealt) so that won't change much for the fans. How will it effect the team and their performance? Will it motivate them or will they play like they've already given up?

I'm by no means saying that it's an automatic, but it's' certainly worth considering. I also don't think it's something we do unless there is no chances of salvaging the Karlsson situation. With him gone, I think next year is shot anyways, so might be worth a swing for the fences.

 

[Sensinitis]

ONE WEEK!!

 

[BondraTime]

My point, is quite simple.

We both agree the NHL is unpredictable, even when we have all the facts in place at the start of a season. The Sens will have to make this decision well before they have all the pertinent data, thus making the situation even more unpredictable.

In a situation with an extremely high degree of unpredictability, the prudent course of action is to mitigate risk, not go for a long shot to get a moderate upgrade on a top level prospect.

Even ignoring the PR nightmare created by betting against your own team, the decision to take this year's top 4 selection is a slam dunk.

You're going for the long shot of getting a franchise player in Hughes, and settling for an upgrade on 4th overall 2018 to 2nd-7th overall 2019, depending on how you feel of the 2019 draft class.

I've already said the PR issue makes this a no go. It's impossible to do that without further damaging the team even more than it is now.

I've been saying the same thing since the trade was made, the 1st is the only piece that hurts us. It's hurting us in a major, major way. There's a reason that pick is essentially off limits for the Avs, they know the value a top lottery pick carries, and that's what every single team leaguewide values that pick at right now. They aren't using the "league is unpredictable" trope. They're using foresight and common sense.

A top 5 lottery pick in one of the strongest drafts in recent memory (2018 is strong as well, but not at the 2019 level) carries a ton of value. As does the 4th overall this year. It's disingenuous to suggest that a team hoping for the best piece to their future when given the choice between the 2 picks wouldn't weigh the options of 4th overall this year and what "they expect" to be in the 1-8 range.

Again, as I've said multiple times, the Sens are not in the position to do this as the PR backlash would be huge in an already huge shitshow.

We know we're making the pick. We will also that we will miss out on a pick next year, obviously that pick will be given a value, which is unanimously viewed right now as a lottery pick.

 

[R2010]

Sam Consentino was on 31 thoughts. Lots of really interesting prospect talk.

Sounds like Dobson is his #2 d-man - sees him as a first-pairing 3 years down the road.

Believes it's either Zadina/Dobson for the sens and it will depend on Hoffman/Karlsson.

Was not impressed with Hughes skipping the combine testing. Noted a lot of scouts didn't like that.

 

[HSF]

no way sens give up the 4th makes close to zero sense

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

no way sens give up the 4th makes close to zero sense

Well people have laid out pretty clearly way it would make a ton of sense to give up the pick. The only thing that would make zero sense is to dismiss it as a possibility.

 

[Daffy]

Well people have laid out pretty clearly way it would make a ton of sense to give up the pick. The only thing that would make zero sense is to dismiss it as a possibility.

It doesn't make a ton of sense. Keep the pick. Everything that could go wrong, did. Sens can bounce back if they get some goaltending, better special teams etc. You don't punt a 4th overall pick lol.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

It doesn't make a ton of sense. Keep the pick. Everything that could go wrong, did. Sens can bounce back if they get some goaltending, better special teams etc. You don't punt a 4th overall pick lol.

There is absolutely no reason to think we'll be getting better goaltending or special teams. Absolutely nothing has been done to improve the situation. There's a higher chance of it getting worse.

4 in 2019 > 4 in 2018 by all accounts.

 

[Daffy]

There is absolutely no reason to think we'll be getting better goaltending or special teams. Absolutely nothing has been done to improve the situation. There's a higher chance of it getting worse.

4 in 2019 > 4 in 2018 by all accounts.

You don't know that. A lot can happen in a year. Prospects rise and fall all over the place.

And our goaltending can't be worse than last year lol. Lets figure out first if Karlsson is staying or not. If he is, then it's not even a question.

 

[bdp]

Pierre/Guy/Eugene fully believe this year was a fluke. They'll keep the pick, make no major changes, and go for the playoffs next year.

They may trade futures to bring in a vet or two, Burrows kind of deals.

 

[HSF]

Well people have laid out pretty clearly way it would make a ton of sense to give up the pick. The only thing that would make zero sense is to dismiss it as a possibility.

not really though cause the odds are you are getting the 4th best pick if you absolutely the worst team in the league which is already very hard to do add to that there will be a very good player at 4th overall this year who can play soon. Saying next years 4th is worth more than this years 4th is also a huge risk as draft rankings the summer before always changes.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

You don't know that. A lot can happen in a year. Prospects rise and fall all over the place.

And our goaltending can't be worse than last year lol. Lets figure out first if Karlsson is staying or not. If he is, then it's not even a question.

Can you provide me with a logical explanation why our goaltending definitively can't be worse than last year, especially given that it's going to be the same tandem, just older.

 

[HSF]

Can you provide me with a logical explanation why our goaltending definitively can't be worse than last year, especially given that it's going to be the same tandem, just older.

with andy track record of being a good goaltender he probably bounces back. If Andy had a a few bad seasons where he looks like he is breaking down we can probably definitely say he is done. One bad season doesn't confirm that

 

[Daffy]

Can you provide me with a logical explanation why our goaltending definitively can't be worse than last year, especially given that it's going to be the same tandem, just older.

Condon isn't old and he may end up starting, who knows? And Andy was terrible, 37 or not, I can't imagine him being worse. Maybe we acquire another goalie, get better defensive play etc.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Pierre/Guy/Eugene fully believe this year was a fluke. They'll keep the pick, make no major changes, and go for the playoffs next year.

They may trade futures to bring in a vet or two, Burrows kind of deals.

Exactly. They're delusional idiots and we should expect them to act accordingly.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Condon isn't old and he may end up starting, who knows? And Andy was terrible, 37 or not, I can't imagine him being worse. Maybe we acquire another goalie, get better defensive play etc.

Condon had a .902 sv% last season and has a career .907. If he's our starter, we will be the worst team in our division just based on that.

Look at the goalies around the league. All the top guys are way younger than Andy. The only guys who haven't fallen off the face of the planet at a similar age to Andy are Rinne and Luongo and both have had better careers. Even Henrik Lundqvist has greatly dropped in performance.

I seriously mean it when I say this: Anderson rebounding should be classified as a miracle. The chances are so astronomically
remote it shouldn't even be considered.

 

[Daffy]

Condon had a .902 sv% last season and has a career .907. If he's our starter, we will be the worst team in our division just based on that.

Look at the goalies around the league. All the top guys are way younger than Andy. The only guys who haven't fallen off the face of the planet at a similar age to Andy are Rinne and Luongo and both have had better careers. Even Henrik Lundqvist has greatly dropped in performance.

I seriously mean it when I say this: Anderson rebounding should be classified as a miracle. The chances are so astronomically
remote it shouldn't even be considered.

That's ridiculous imo. He was outstanding when we went on our run. But a few months later and he is suddenly too old? He's going to come to camp in great shape, and I think he rebounds. Maybe not to what he was at his best, but better than last year. I'd put money on that.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

That's ridiculous imo. He was outstanding when we went on our run. But a few months later and he is suddenly too old? He's going to come to camp in great shape, and I think he rebounds. Maybe not to what he was at his best, but better than last year. I'd put money on that.

The last two seasons (17-18, 15-16) he played the bulk of the starts he's had sub par seasons and the team missed the playoffs. The past 2 seasons he missed significant time (14-15, 16-17) he had good numbers and the team made the post season with Hammond and Condon playing out of their minds for long stretches.

I think Condon and Anderson are both capable of playing good hockey for a few weeks (like last year's postseason run) but a whole season is off the table. There is no chance. You wanna go ahead and place your Hope's on a 37 year old with that kind of history or hope a career .907 goalie will play out of his mind (hey like management thought Hammond could when they signed him for 3 years), be my guest. You're going to be extremely disappointed.

 

[Peptic Balcers]

That's ridiculous imo. He was outstanding when we went on our run. But a few months later and he is suddenly too old? He's going to come to camp in great shape, and I think he rebounds. Maybe not to what he was at his best, but better than last year. I'd put money on that.

Gimme a line and I'll take the under

 

[Daffy]

Gimme a line and I'll take the under

Ok. .850 save %. I'll take the over. $100

 

[Peptic Balcers]

Ok. .850 save %. I'll take the over. $100

Didn't you say you thought he was going to be better than last year?

 

[Daffy]

The last two seasons (17-18, 15-16) he played the bulk of the starts he's had sub par seasons and the team missed the playoffs. The past 2 seasons he missed significant time (14-15, 16-17) he had good numbers and the team made the post season with Hammond and Condon playing out of their minds for long stretches.

I think Condon and Anderson are both capable of playing good hockey for a few weeks (like last year's postseason run) but a whole season is off the table. There is no chance. You wanna go ahead and place your Hope's on a 37 year old with that kind of history or hope a career .907 goalie will play out of his mind (hey like management thought Hammond could when they signed him for 3 years), be my guest. You're going to be extremely disappointed.

"A goalie with that kind of history"? He's the best goalie in our history. I'm not pinning my hopes on him at all. I just think the team will rebound a bit next year, goalies included. I'm not predicting playoffs or anywhere close. I'm my advocating against giving up the 4th overall pick because I think that's ridiculous.

 

[Daffy]

Didn't you say you thought he was going to be better than last year?

I was just joking about the .850.

Yes I did say he will be better. I'll take the over on what ever his save % was last year. For bet to count, say minimum 40 games played? What do you think?

 

[The Lewler]

I wonder what any prospect interviews with parents and agents are currently like. Lol.