2018-19 Roster Speculation Pt. 3: Started from the bottom now we're here

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sabrebuild

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Stimson identifying what many of has have harped on: Poms is useless away from Jack, Sam is fine away from Jack, and stacking the top line destroys the lineup depth and results in what we saw last night. He didn't even mention that Sam makes Sobotka borderline functional at 5v5. Switch Poms and Sam, Phil.

If he wants to stack the top line when we're chasing a goal late in the game, fine. But it's not a good 60-minute strategy, especially against a team like Tampa. I'm going to cover my eyes for the games in Toronto when the Leafs stick Kadri's line against Jack's line so that Matthews' or Tavares' line can run over Sobotka's line.



Stimson: A deep dig into the film and statistical details...

Very solid article, but it will be hated by several posters here for describing our “depth” as not being very useful.
 

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Well the nice thing is we finally may be getting a real 2nd scoring line if Thompson-Mittelstadt-Okposo continue to gel.

If the Sabres were not getting those points from the backend this season it would be even more apparent. Thompson/Mittelstadt showing flashes is huge.
 

Hasekperreault23

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Erod and Elie are borderline useless. Can we get someone up from Rochester now please?
Pominville and svbotka are killing us.Elie is an extra.When Wilson gets back hopefully Phil has the guts to sit one and when Bergland gets back sit them both..Skinner,Eichel,reinhart...Middalstdt,Thompson,Wilson...Sheary,Eric,Okposo...Girgs,Larsson,Bergland
 

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Pominville and svbotka are killing us.Elie is an extra.When Wilson gets back hopefully Phil has the guts to sit one and when Bergland gets back sit them both..Skinner,Eichel,reinhart...Middalstdt,Thompson,Wilson...Sheary,Eric,Okposo...Girgs,Larsson,Bergland
Pominville is 4th on the team in scoring. I wouldn't say he's killing us.
 

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Pominville is 4th on the team in scoring. I wouldn't say he's killing us.
How has he been without Jack and skinner?.Not being smart just we need secondary scoring and not getting it from him and vlad.Would you play them two over Erod Bergland etc? Curious to know what fans think?
 
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He was so invisible last night I had to check the box score to see if he even played. Put him back with Jack and see if he can get going, put Sam with Sobotka.
I agree, he was completely invisible. He's been pretty much invisible if he's not with Skinner and Eichel, but he played really well on that line. Sure, it was probably a product of the other 2 guys, but he wasn't an anchor at all.
 

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I agree, he was completely invisible. He's been pretty much invisible if he's not with Skinner and Eichel, but he played really well on that line. Sure, it was probably a product of the other 2 guys, but he wasn't an anchor at all.

He goes to the net, which at the least is drawing a defender's attention. At this point, Poms plays a simple north-south game, which works well as a counterbalance to the more meandering Eichel and Skinner styles.
 

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Curious of what your lineup would be moving forward not what Phil will do and with just the forwards we have once healthy without trades,call ups etc

I'm not chain, but I do this:

Skinner-Eichel-Pominville
Thompson-Mittelstadt-Okposo
Sheary-ERod-Reinhart
Girgensons-Berglund-Larsson

That "4th" line stays together, period. Then the top 9 is as balanced as possible. Swap Sam with Poms in the 3rd periods of games where we fall behind. It maximizes whatever depth we have.
 

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I'm not chain, but I do this:

Skinner-Eichel-Pominville
Thompson-Mittelstadt-Okposo
ERod-Sobotka-Reinhart
Girgensons-Berglund-Larsson

That "4th" line stays together, period. Then the top 9 is as balanced as possible. Swap Sam with Poms in the 3rd periods of games where we fall behind. It maximizes whatever depth we have.
The 4th is 10-22-28
 
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Hasekperreault23

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I'm not chain, but I do this:

Skinner-Eichel-Pominville
Thompson-Mittelstadt-Okposo
Sheary-ERod-Reinhart
Girgensons-Berglund-Larsson

That "4th" line stays together, period. Then the top 9 is as balanced as possible. Swap Sam with Poms in the 3rd periods of games where we fall behind. It maximizes whatever depth we have.
I like that,curious where would you slot Wilson or just an extra?
 
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Think about this compared to any point in the past 5yrs.

Looking into next year and beyond.

Skinner-Eichel-AAAA
Thompson-Mittelstadt-Okposo
Sheary-BBBB-Reinhart
Larsson-Berglund-Girgensons

That’s two full lines that most of the board believes are complete lines.

The other two have 2 player each we mostly believe should be playing together.

So we just basically need to fill two spots. That’s pretty incredible. Rochester has enough depth that (A) should be filled. And (B) is not an impossible position to be filled.

The only questions might be Okposo and Berglund long term. But those can be filled as well.
 
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Hasekperreault23

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Think about this compared to any point in the past 5yrs.

Looking into next year and beyond.

Skinner-Eichel-AAAA
Thompson-Mittelstadt-Okposo
Sheary-BBBB-Reinhart
Larsson-Berglund-Girgensons

That’s two full lines that most of the board believes are complete lines.

The other two have 2 player each we mostly believe should be playing together.

So we just basically need to fill two spots. That’s pretty incredible. Rochester has enough depth that (A) should be filled. And (B) is not an impossible position to be filled.

The only questions might be Okposo and Berglund long term. But those can be filled as well.
So between erod,nylander,Smith,oloffson,aspland,and Davidson for two spots shows the depth we have accumulated,impressive
 

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Think about this compared to any point in the past 5yrs.

Looking into next year and beyond.

Skinner-Eichel-AAAA
Thompson-Mittelstadt-Okposo
Sheary-BBBB-Reinhart
Larsson-Berglund-Girgensons

That’s two full lines that most of the board believes are complete lines.

The other two have 2 player each we mostly believe should be playing together.

So we just basically need to fill two spots. That’s pretty incredible. Rochester has enough depth that (A) should be filled. And (B) is not an impossible position to be filled.

The only questions might be Okposo and Berglund long term. But those can be filled as well.

Can Girgensons move up to 3C and Wilson or CJ Smith eventually fill in for Girgs on the 4th line? Maybe in another couple years Asplund solves the issue.
 

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Can Girgensons move up to 3C and Wilson or CJ Smith eventually fill in for Girgs on the 4th line? Maybe in another couple years Asplund solves the issue.

I think many of us have been hoping Asplund can take that role. But at the same time I want him to truly earn it and not have it handed to him.

I don’t think Botterill will do that.

Even now with Pilut, he has played amazingly, but had to earn his keep in Rochester and will now gets his first chance.

This is how the team will be successful.
-Develop from within.
-Find some hidden gems (hopefully Davidsson & Laaksonen?).
-Find “fits” to the puzzle as opposed to just talent.
Example; UFA this year, most talented player might be Stone from Ottawa. But in terms of his talent, our system, and how it fits with Skinner & Eichel’s chemistry, there might be a better “fit”. Could possibly be one of our own young guys, or a UFA like Silfverberg.
Same thing goes for finding a partner for Dahlin.
 
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Hypothetical when Seattle enters the league...

Would you give up Guhle to get Seattle to take Okposo in the ED? I am leaning towards yes. It is a hefty price but I look at it twofold. It gets our worst contract off the books and ensures Seattle does not get one of our important players. And at this point Guhle has been passed by Samuelsson and Pilut on the long term depth chart.

Dahlin
Risto
Pilut
McCabe
Samuelsson

And I'm assuming at least one if not two of our 4 firsts will be a dman.
 

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Hypothetical when Seattle enters the league...

Would you give up Guhle to get Seattle to take Okposo in the ED? I am leaning towards yes. It is a hefty price but I look at it twofold. It gets our worst contract off the books and ensures Seattle does not get one of our important players. And at this point Guhle has been passed by Samuelsson and Pilut on the long term depth chart.

Dahlin
Risto
Pilut
McCabe
Samuelsson

And I'm assuming at least one if not two of our 4 firsts will be a dman.
Don't forget Borgen,Laaksolanen and Bryson
 
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