2018-19 Roster Speculation Pt. 3: Started from the bottom now we're here
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I would really like Sissons as opposed to Brassard. I wonder if when everyone on the D is healthy we could do something around Beaulieu/Sissons?
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I disagree. We need to win the Stanley Cup. I am or any trade that brings us closer. That doesn't mean mortgaging the future but if we have a good GM then I would trust he knows how and if it is trading a 1st away then so be it.(For the right player that is young and fits in)
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They won’t send him to Roch. There’s no where else to put him. I’m willing to ride it.
just had a Bowmanesque thought
Once our D corps is healthy, could Dahlin play the role of #2 center? It is what Bowman had Housley doing at times his rookie year (Bowman also had Fedorov playing D at times in Detroit).
I would NOT do this. But it would make room for Pilut to stay up as he needs to, and may bring more scoring to the second line
Once our D corps is healthy, could Dahlin play the role of #2 center? It is what Bowman had Housley doing at times his rookie year (Bowman also had Fedorov playing D at times in Detroit).
I would NOT do this. But it would make room for Pilut to stay up as he needs to, and may bring more scoring to the second line
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Neither of these guys should be in any half decent teams top 6.
I don't see how there has to be a conflict between these two statements. Patience may mean waiting on younger players (that have hopefully been correctly identified as having great potential) to develop. Patience might mean not pulling the trigger on a deal that only makes the roster better from now to a year or two away, while hurting it down the road. A trade now might, for instance, improve the C position but not enough to be a Cup contender.
If Botterill can make a trade that brings in young talent that can be a part of the Cup window with the core players we have, then there's no conflict. I don't see any of those players being available for now though.
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Right now our middle-six-centers aren't appreciably better than those two. They are Mitts and Sobotka.
Mitts is currently pacing a hair behind Flynn's 14-15 scoring rate. Vlad is producing at a rate worse than Torrey Mitchell did that season.
That very same year we drooled about our spine of Reinhart-Grigs-Girgensons the same way we daydream about Mitts and Asplund now.
I'm not trying to say Mitts is going to bust or anything, but the center depth of today's Buffalo Sabres (not spine, Eichel saves that) is debatably the worst in the league, and I'm not inclined to believe it's particularly close. We have 2 guys in the entire organization (Rasmus Asplund and Casey) for 2 spots and they still have a LOT of growing to do to get to where they need them to be. When was the last time we had a not-first-or-second-draft-pick prospect safely reach his projections in a reasonable amount of time, much less two?
I'm not panicking about our long-term center situation but I definitely don't get blinded by its bright future when I stare at the construction of this team.
I guess I was dumb to assume the organization was going to rely on Reinhart as a C after the O'Reilly trade. I figured both Berglund and Sobotka were going to be bottom-six wing depth (which was needed), but Berglund was actually played at C (and had a terrible game, maybe two) before Sobotka was settled on in his current role. I won't totally go off on Botterill and/or Housley either. This may very well have to do with Reinhart as much as any other factor. Fans get to sit wondering about this since it doesn't cross the mind of any local media.
This is sort of like when Roy was traded to Dallas. The whole "addition by subtraction" mantra was cited by many, but the fact was there was no viable replacement and the C position was the main weakness leading to a fall in the standings. Much the same comparison is made to O'Reilly. The move in and of itself could be defended (depending on the details we aren't privy to), but leaving yourself weaker down the middle with no good or timely solution is not defensible. Without Reinhart (which for all we know isn't a good solution either, but seems worth a try), there's nothing but poor (Sobotka) or far away (Asplund) answers. Eichel or Mittelstadt go down for a few weeks and that's a wrap boys!
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Other than pure goal scoring, our top line is worse with Reinhart than without, yet they keep coming back with that combination. Housley and his staff are aware of the analytics, at least according to his radio interviews. Perhaps they're trying to build consistency/chemistry, but the tin foil hat version of myself is starting to wonder if they're trying to pump his value for a potential trade.
Their refusal to try him at center adds to this paranoia, since if he falters in that role again it would decrease his perceived value. And of course their prolonged contract negotiations from the offseason also adds to the conspiracy theories in my head...
Tin foil hat prediction - Sam is traded at the deadline in a change of scenery type of deal (similar to the Hanifan/Hamilton trade)
(Hoping someone talks me back into reality by providing evidence that they value him as an integral core piece)
Their refusal to try him at center adds to this paranoia, since if he falters in that role again it would decrease his perceived value. And of course their prolonged contract negotiations from the offseason also adds to the conspiracy theories in my head...
Tin foil hat prediction - Sam is traded at the deadline in a change of scenery type of deal (similar to the Hanifan/Hamilton trade)
(Hoping someone talks me back into reality by providing evidence that they value him as an integral core piece)
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Before looking outside the organization, he should take a look at finding roster spots for one or more of Nylander, Smith, and Olofsson. Each offers something a little different, but all could possibly help with the secondary scoring issue.
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I'd like to take a look at Nylander right now. The reports seem to be that he's rounding out his game in Rochester. I liked what he did with Berglund in the preseason. Waive Elie - if I'm being honest with myself, I know Sobotka isn't getting waived right now - who'll become even more expendable once Wilson is healthy, and, in any event, you have a cadre of young forwards who are 90 minutes away should you need one.
I'll continue to assume that Mitts will play center and Reinhart is entrenched at RW:
Skinner-Eichel-Pominville
ERod/Thompson-Mitts-Reinhart
Nylander-Berglund-Okposo
ERod/Sobotka-Larsson-Girgensons
x Thompson/Sobotka
I'll continue to assume that Mitts will play center and Reinhart is entrenched at RW:
Skinner-Eichel-Pominville
ERod/Thompson-Mitts-Reinhart
Nylander-Berglund-Okposo
ERod/Sobotka-Larsson-Girgensons
x Thompson/Sobotka
Sheary has to go somewhere too though. Botterill has to make several moves if he wants to get Rochester guys involved. Short of IR I don't see where he stashes people. Elie is obvious, but Rodrigues is a likely trade piece being a pending RFA that Botterill did not originally acquire. Sobotka and Wilson would be higher up on my list to trade (Nelson and maybe Beaulieu also) but they have an extra year under contract and neither is particularly valuable.
Remind me what the cap implications are of waiving any or all of Elie, Wilson when he's healthy, and Sobotka...just for a thinking exercise.
Id love to see Phil try
Skinner-Eichel-Okposo
Sheary-Mitts-Reinhart
Girgensons-Sobotka-Thompson/ERod
Larsson-Berglund-Pominville
Skinner-Eichel-Okposo
Sheary-Mitts-Reinhart
Girgensons-Sobotka-Thompson/ERod
Larsson-Berglund-Pominville
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I was just listening to the latest episode of The Hockey News podcast, and they proposed some bonkers trade involving Buffalo.
IIRC, it was Patrick Kane for Reinhart, Pominville, Olafsson, Guhle, and 3 firsts.
I've always liked Kane, but feel that's WAY too steep for the downside years of his career.
IIRC, it was Patrick Kane for Reinhart, Pominville, Olafsson, Guhle, and 3 firsts.
I've always liked Kane, but feel that's WAY too steep for the downside years of his career.
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Agree. take out Reinhart and Olafsson, and it’s closer.
Or remove the 3 firsts.
Or don’t go after players based partly on the fact that his mom pushed him out at a buffalo area hospital. Some let that fact carry way way way too much weight.
Oh and don’t forget ... he’s “aging”
MayDay
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I agree, but it wasn’t Buffalo area guys proposing the trade this time.
And they only brought up Kane’s Buffalo connection as a reason he might waive his NTC, not as a reason Buffalo should pursue him.
But yeah, I’m not interested in that trade. Not at that price anyway.
If it was ONE first, plus Pominville and the two prospects, then ... maybe.
Djp
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That is f***ing moronic..
Kane isn’t 22.
Right now without Chicago retaining any of his cap hit it would cost something like
Kane for Okposo+Reinhart or Okposo +Guhle+ Mid 1st (SJ pick). Moulson is included if trade is this season.
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