Prospect Info: 2018/19 Marlies & Prospects Thread Part V

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Dzone starts on their own aren't necessarily a good indicator. Polak's were often inflated because he couldn't move the puck out of his zone without icing it, leading 1 intentional dzone start turning into 2 or 3 off the sustained pressure.

Put a less defensive puckover in the same situation and you get a defensive zone start and 1 or 2 offensive zone starts after the breakout, all of a sudden you can say the puck mover is being "sheltered" with >50% ozone starts.

That's not to say we don't need people capable of doing the heavy lifting defensively, just that the guys we have who do that now make more problems for themselves than they need to.

Yea that’s a good point. I forgot about that angle. Would be interesting to filter zone starts down to “coaches choice” though to get a better sense of intended usage.

 

[The CyNick]

RD1 Rielly
RD2 Dermott
RD3 Liljegren
RD4 Rasanen/Holowell/Duszak

I always thought most people mastered left vs right by kindergarten

 

[I am Canadian]

It's going to be real important that Scott/Woll develop properly. Hopefully they are ready in a few years when we may have to make a decision on Andersen

 

[TheGoldenJet]

I think we should let Liljegren dominate with the Marlies next season. He's not ready. Let him have a year like Bracco and Sandin just had before we throw him out there for more than a few games.

He should have been up at this point per Dubas’ comments, but the two ankle injuries to the same leg have convinced me otherwise. Liljegren did well on the top pair next to Rosen the first two months of the season before his first injury, he needs to be the Marlies #1D next year and play huge mins at ES and on their top PP. I’d call him up after the TDL next year, he’d do well in the NHL if he could get some confidence back in the AHL first.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Any word on whether Marincin or Rosen are going to be helping out the Marlies in the AHL playoffs?

 

[Macallan18]

Bracco first team all star.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

He should have been up at this point per Dubas’ comments, but the two ankle injuries to the same leg have convinced me otherwise. Liljegren did well on the top pair next to Rosen the first two months of the season before his first injury, he needs to be the Marlies #1D next year and play huge mins at ES and on their top PP. I’d call him up after the TDL next year, he’d do well in the NHL if he could get some confidence back in the AHL first.

He's currently on the Top pair, top PK, and on the 2nd PP unit (Sandin on 1st). I think he's there. If he has a strong playoffs as well i think he breaks camp next year.

 

[Magic Man]

He should have been up at this point per Dubas’ comments, but the two ankle injuries to the same leg have convinced me otherwise. Liljegren did well on the top pair next to Rosen the first two months of the season before his first injury, he needs to be the Marlies #1D next year and play huge mins at ES and on their top PP. I’d call him up after the TDL next year, he’d do well in the NHL if he could get some confidence back in the AHL first.

That would be the perfect time line for me as well. Give Liljegren and Sandin heavy minutes on the Marlies and then call them up at the trade deadline when the roster limit expands. It would save on the cost of reinforcements and seems to fit their schedule. They'll probably be at a higher level than anything that could be reasonably had at the deadline by that point in time.

 

[TML1967]

Liljgren might be on the Leafs.
I'd be just as happy if the Leafs signed a very RHD (Hainsey just actually right handed) and Liljgren truly dominating the AHL next year and getting those offensive result numbers up.

 

[stickty111]

Here are the playoff series for our prospects, and their stats in the series and entire playoffs.
Updated Thursday April 11th

Games today
Game 4: HPK wins 2-1 in OT
Series tied 2-2
Game 4: Sault Ste. Marie wins 3-0
Saginaw leads 3-1
Hollowell 1 assist

Liiga
3rd round: Tappara(2) vs HPK(5)
Series tied 2-2
Jesper Lindgren
Series:
GP 4 Goals Assists 1 Points 1
Playoffs:
GP 9 Goals 1 Assists 2 Points 3
Regular season:
GP: 45 Goals: 2 Assists: 17 Points: 19

OHL
2nd round: Saginaw(2) vs Sault Ste. Marie(3)
Saginaw leads 3-1
Mac Hollowell
Series:
GP 4 Goals 1 Assists 4 Points 5
Playoffs:
GP 9 Goals 2 Assists 7 Points 9
Regular season:
GP: 64 Goals: 24 Assists: 53 Points: 77

2nd round: London(1) vs Guelph(4)
London leads 3-1
Fedor Gordeev
Series:
GP 4 Goals Assists Points:
Playoffs:
GP 8 Goals 1 Assists Points: 1
Regular season:
GP: 63 Goals: 7 Assists: 25 Points: 32

WHL
2nd round: Prince Albert(1) vs Saskatoon(2)
Series tied 2-2
Ian Scott
Series:
GP 4 SV% .939 GAA 1.77 SO
Playoffs:
GP 8 SV% .929 GAA 1.76 SO 1
Regular season:
GP: 49 SV%: .932 GAA: 1.83 SO: 8

2nd round: Everett(1) vs Spokane(2)
Spokane leads 3-0
Filip Kral
Series:
GP 3 Goals Assists 1 Points 1
Playoffs:
GP 8 Goals Assists 2 Points 2
Regular season:
GP: 47 Goals: 10 Assists: 26 Points: 36

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

WHL playoffs have such a stupid format. You have the top team in the CHL playing another one of the top teams in the CHL in the 2nd round.

It's for travel reasons probably but still sucks to see that Scott may be out in the 2nd round even if he puts up a .940 SV% and a GAA under 2.00.

 

[Judas Tavares]

Riley Stotts final stats regular season and playoffs.
GP: 73
Goals: 20
Assists: 43
Points: 63

Didn't get to see Stotts play at all this year. Anyone have a handle on how he played? Was hoping for better numbers, but need to know the whole story.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Dzone starts on their own aren't necessarily a good indicator. Polak's were often inflated because he couldn't move the puck out of his zone without icing it, leading 1 intentional dzone start turning into 2 or 3 off the sustained pressure.

Put a less defensive puckover in the same situation and you get a defensive zone start and 1 or 2 offensive zone starts after the breakout, all of a sudden you can say the puck mover is being "sheltered" with >50% ozone starts.

That's not to say we don't need people capable of doing the heavy lifting defensively, just that the guys we have who do that now make more problems for themselves than they need to.

This is one area where I probably deviate from conventional wisdom. In my opinion, most defensive d-men can still hold the blueline, get pucks deep, and defend on the rush. They struggle to move the puck out of their own zone though. Meanwhile, a great puckmover could get you out of your own zone and do well in transition, both on and off the puck.

Take someone like Schenn. Big, rugged defensive d-man. The thing is that his biggest strength, depending on how you value physicality, is that he can get pucks through from the blue line quite well. He can also hold the line decently, and he's reliable on the rush. Not a great gap, but he'll not make mistakes. Where you do see him make mistakes is when he's chasing hits in his own zone. Conventional wisdom puts him with defensive zone starts, but to me he should be kept away from there as much as possible.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

WHL playoffs have such a stupid format. You have the top team in the CHL playing another one of the top teams in the CHL in the 2nd round.

It's for travel reasons probably but still sucks to see that Scott may be out in the 2nd round even if he puts up a .940 SV% and a GAA under 2.00.

Prince Albert is better than Saskatoon. Their offense just needs to finish their chances.

 

[aingefan]

Big weekend for Mr. Bracco.
See if he can lock up the scoring race.
Kas seems to be getting stronger.
Keep everyone healthy. Could create a stir in the playoffs.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Big weekend for Mr. Bracco.
See if he can lock up the scoring race.
Kas seems to be getting stronger.
Keep everyone healthy. Could create a stir in the playoffs.

Too many question marks for my liking. I like the high end, but the depth concerns me. I hope Rosen and Marincin are back on the Marlies, but that seems unlikely with the Leafs playing. If it were those two with Sandin, Borgman, LoVerde and Liljegren, we'd have a strong defense.

Kaskisuo and McAdam are who we've got in net. Kaskisuo can lead this team IMO, but he needs to be more like his recent and last year self, more than his lingering injury self. Huge question mark there alone.

Engvall, Mueller, Brooks, Bracco, Marchment, Carcone, Timashov is a strong top 7, but it drops off quickly after that.

 

[Martin Skoula]

This is one area where I probably deviate from conventional wisdom. In my opinion, most defensive d-men can still hold the blueline, get pucks deep, and defend on the rush. They struggle to move the puck out of their own zone though. Meanwhile, a great puckmover could get you out of your own zone and do well in transition, both on and off the puck.

Take someone like Schenn. Big, rugged defensive d-man. The thing is that his biggest strength, depending on how you value physicality, is that he can get pucks through from the blue line quite well. He can also hold the line decently, and he's reliable on the rush. Not a great gap, but he'll not make mistakes. Where you do see him make mistakes is when he's chasing hits in his own zone. Conventional wisdom puts him with defensive zone starts, but to me he should be kept away from there as much as possible.

Yeah agreed. Shutdown guys are important, but they can't be one dimensional. When people talk about the greats like Pronger or Stevens, they forget that they were absolutely elite passers. I'd say Pronger's first pass was his strongest asset, even more than his elbows.

There's no use spending all your energy stopping the other team from getting a scoring chance if you're just going to give the puck back to them right after.

 

[PromoterDave]

Would love if the Marlies added Keegan Howdeshell, Kevin Hancock, and Anthony Salinitri after their OHL Seasons are over.

Leafs should also draft Mierieles, Landry, Lalonde, Keating, Yantsis, Neumann with mid to late round picks this year. They are probably AHL ready

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Would love if the Marlies added Keegan Howdeshell, Kevin Hancock, and Anthony Salinitri after their OHL Seasons are over.

Leafs should also draft Mierieles, Landry, Lalonde, Keating, Yantsis, Neumann with mid to late round picks this year. They are probably AHL ready

Most of those guys are not AHL ready, and may never be AHL ready. Meireles is the only one I think really stands out to me.

 

[PromoterDave]

Most of those guys are not AHL ready, and may never be AHL ready. Meireles is the only one I think really stands out to me.

Most of them are top 10 goal scorers in the OHL. Since 2012, about 40-60 % of the top 10 goal scorers each year from the OHL, makes the NHL. I think drafting them with late picks would be a good gamble

 

[Swedish Gretzky]

Any recent Justin Brazeau sighting recently?
Why isn't he playing any games?

Im pumped for this Kid. I think hes a legit prospect

 

[LeafChief]

Any chance Duczak or Brazeau get into any of the remaining regular season games?

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Any recent Justin Brazeau sighting recently?
Why isn't he playing any games?

Im pumped for this Kid. I think hes a legit prospect

Probably working with our development team right now. No rush to get him in right away.

 

[deletethis]

Any chance Duczak or Brazeau get into any of the remaining regular season games?

Their two remaining games are against the two teams fighting for the final playoff spot in the Marlies' division. Convention suggests that the Marlies should dress a more experienced lineup for both games.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Their two remaining games are against the two teams fighting for the final playoff spot in the Marlies' division. Convention suggests that the Marlies should dress a more experienced lineup for both games.

Wouldn’t Marlies benefit from having lower-seeded teams rise? Artificially increasing seeding of theoretically worse teams.