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2017 Offseason Thread 5.0 Summer Doldrums

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Even if Fattenberg impresses and makes the NHL, Kings won't play a line-up with LaDue, Fattenberg, Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, and Forbort - that's pretty much 5 puck movers and 1 stay at home guy - a few of those guys are barely 6' and really inexperienced. Kings have been after Folin for awhile - I think he is a lock for the #6 spot and LaDue either has the #5 spot or rotates for Fattenberg.

Maybe something crazy happens where Fattenberg makes it and LaDue goes to the AHL and it's Fattenberg-Folin with McD as the extra...give LaDue an extra year in the AHL considering he barely played a full year. The only concern is his age, he is already 25.

I know Kings want competition but they signed two players in Folin and Fattenberg to a one year deals who both aren't in the long term plans and are mid 20's, while they spent considerable time with McD and LaDue and now the first two might knock out the other two.
 
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BallPointHammer said:
Could MacDermid possibly play wing on the 4th line and chip in a few shifts on D as the 7th D?

Also, the Kings "team toughness" is pathetic compared to 2012-2014 teams. Those teams didn't put up with anything from anybody. That "wolfpack" attitude was maybe more intimidating than just having a few designated tough guys. The constant presence of "you will regret it" facing every guy on every other team.
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Dont think his skating is good enough for that
 
KingPuckChoo said:
it's incredibly too early to judge things, but i can guarantee you one thing

Kuemper will suck ass beyond belief

he's Zatkoff V 2.0

i'm really hoping Petersen/Campbell will step up during camp, otherwise if Quick goes down, i'll lose all my hair
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That's a pretty bold guarantee. I watched a lot of Kuemper in net the last few years and he is vastly different from Zatkoff. Kuemper takes up a lot of net, is even keel, and has great positioning. There were a few quirks and some injuries but with the goaltending team the Kings have in place vs the Wild, he will also be getting a great deal more tutelage. Plus he is still on the younger side for a goaltender. I think the opposite and think he will excel.


Zatkoff at this point is not an option, Campbell will get the year in Ontario to grow and show last year wasn't a fluke.

No matter what unless the Kings address their blueline issues it could be a very long year for those goalies. As I see it now:

Muzzin - Doughty
Forbert - LaDue
Martinez - Folin
Fantenberg - Gravel


If Muzzin continues to be Muffin it wont matter if we have Kuemper or Patrick Roy in his prime in net.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Even if Fattenberg impresses and makes the NHL, Kings won't play a line-up with LaDue, Fattenberg, Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, and Forbort - that's pretty much 5 puck movers and 1 stay at home guy - a few of those guys are barely 6' and really inexperienced. Kings have been after Folin for awhile - I think he is a lock for the #6 spot and LaDue either has the #5 spot or rotates for Fattenberg.

Maybe something crazy happens where Fattenberg makes it and LaDue goes to the AHL and it's Fattenberg-Folin with McD as the extra...give LaDue an extra year in the AHL considering he barely played a full year. The only concern is his age, he is already 25.

I know Kings want competition but they signed two players in Folin and Fattenberg to a one year deals who both aren't in the long term plans and are mid 20's, while they spent considerable time with McD and LaDue and now the first two might knock out the other two.
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In other words, Gravel lost his job!!!! ;)


Actually, I'm thinking McDermid gets the #8 spot. He's got that Matt Greene toughness that's missing from our D.


Forbort - Doughty
Muzzin - Martinez
Fantenberg - LaDue

McDermid - Folin


What could possibly go wrong?



PS: How has Chris Lee looked? :popcorn:
 
Basilisk said:
In other words, Gravel lost his job!!!! ;)


Actually, I'm thinking McDermid gets the #8 spot. He's got that Matt Greene toughness that's missing from our D.


Forbort - Doughty
Muzzin - Martinez
Fantenberg - LaDue

McDermid - Folin


What could possibly go wrong?



PS: How has Chris Lee looked? :popcorn:
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We can only hope to never see that dumpster fire again.
 
MacDermid brings an element of toughness and nastiness that no other defenseman on the roster can bring. Folin isn't a softie, but MacDermid is on an entirely different level as a tone setter.

He is not as good as Matt Greene was but this team has sorely been missing that type of presence since Regher moved on and Greene broke down.

He is a homegrown talent and will indeed get a long look. After the Doughty debacle last season, you bet your ass that Management, the coaching staff and the players loved seeing someone stick it to a guy that had the nerve to get in Kopitar's face. Make no mistake about it: Kopitar and a lot of these guys have always played better when they feel "safer": that was a huge part of Lucic's impact on the team.

As for MacDermid's ice time, the entire game was played on special teams and he had seven minutes in penalties. A normal game would have seen him probably log low double-digits.
 
I think this team definitely needs a legit enforcer. Guys like Clifford, Nolan and Andreoff are not heavy weights and are not as willing to drop the gloves. I agree about the Lucic comment. When Lucic was on this team, no one dared mess with our stars because he is a top 3 fighter in this league. In addition to a heavy weight fighter for our fourth line (or maybe on defense), I think we need a pest on this team. Not an Avery type that goes around taunting other players, but a pest that gets in your face, is willing to crash the crease, and play with a bit of an edge. I hope Andreoff can become that player and show the same scoring prowess he demonstrated end of the 2015-2016 season.
 
AlphaBravo said:
I think this team definitely needs a legit enforcer. Guys like Clifford, Nolan and Andreoff are not heavy weights and are not as willing to drop the gloves. I agree about the Lucic comment. When Lucic was on this team, no one dared mess with our stars because he is a top 3 fighter in this league. In addition to a heavy weight fighter for our fourth line (or maybe on defense), I think we need a pest on this team. Not an Avery type that goes around taunting other players, but a pest that gets in your face, is willing to crash the crease, and play with a bit of an edge. I hope Andreoff can become that player and show the same scoring prowess he demonstrated end of the 2015-2016 season.
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I wouldn't call Brown a pest but he used to distract teams with his hitting. This should be Brown's role once again, hitting and going to the net. He needs to embrace the power forward role, he's not a sniper nor a fighter but he can change the outcome of games regardless of point production.
 
Sol said:
LaDue is a lock, no doubt about that.
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I agree, and management feels the same. I am not sure why Stevens is so set on trying the Muzzin/Martinez pairing again. LaDue played really well with Muzzin on the second pairing, and it was also a natural lefty-righty combo. Too bad Martinez did not mesh with Doughty, it would be nice to have him on the top pair, but having Martinez on the bottom pair with either Fatenburg, Folin or McDermid is also a good option and provides balance.
 
Kingsfan1 said:
I think we eventually see and stick with

Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-Ladue
Fantenberg-Martinez
Folin
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Who is going to clear the front of the net? This might be the softest D in the league.

Ain't happening up Blake and Stevens. Folin is in or McD is in.

I'm not so sure about LaDue. Whoever is waiver eligible stays and whoever isn't goes.
 
Kingsfan1 said:
I think we eventually see and stick with

Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-Ladue
Fantenberg-Martinez
Folin
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I agree that the lineup will ultimately look like this with Folin and Fantenberg rotating in and out. I think since last year management sees LaDue as a lock - the dude even impressed Sutter, which says a lot.

I do think, however, that they will start the season off with the Martinez/Muzzin pairing until it fails miserably like last year.

I think the days of a Greene/Reghr defenseman being in the lineup are basically over. All of the teams are moving to an up tempo style and all defensemen are expected to be puck movers to a certain extent.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Who is going to clear the front of the net? This might be the softest D in the league.

Ain't happening up Blake and Stevens. Folin is in or McD is in.

I'm not so sure about LaDue. Whoever is waiver eligible stays and whoever isn't goes.
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I personally think it would be a big mistake to play McD/Folin over LaDue. I don't think McD is an NHL level player, and as AlphaBravo said above me, the days of having a slow skating heavy defenseman in the lineup are over.

Outside of the Muzzin-Martinez nightmare, the defense was fine last year without having a Greene type player and LaDue is clearly more talented than McD and has more potential than Folin. Waivers should not matter in this situation, I doubt anyone would claim McD anyway but if someone did for whatever reason he would not be a big loss to the organization.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Might want to look around the league. Most are pretty soft in the traditional sense. They're not really any worse than most. There might be what, 10, maybe a dozen, guys that clear the crease?
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People need to remember this Defense (less McNabb) was a top 10 d in the league last year.
Forbort and Ladue should be better.
 
I think the competition between Fantenberg, LaDue and Frolin may be in part to see if we can afford trading Muzzin or AMart. We certainly have the need to add a proven forward and Muzzin and AMart represent the assets we could most likely move for scoring help.

As for the bottom forwards. I can't see waivers exemption being much of an issue. If we send one or more of Nolan, Clifford and Andreoff down it's not as if we risk, losing anyone of trade value. With teams valuing cap space so highly, I seriously doubt any of them are claimed anyway. I'd much rather see us select the opening night roster based on long term roster development. We need more skill in the bottom 6 and we can't afford all three of those guys to be on the roster. Personally I'd prefer to see Nolan over the other two, but my guess it's Clifford that makes it.

Kempe-Dowd-Broz
Nolan-Shore-Lewis

I know it won't end up that way.
 
On TSNs insider trading, Darren Dreger mentioned the Kings as one of the eight teams in contact with Sakic about Matt Duchene. Also made it sound like a deal isn't very close at the moment.

If something were to happen, I could see a deal revolving around Martinez and Kempe. We do have a surplus of defenseman at the moment.
 
Cook24 said:
On TSNs insider trading, Darren Dreger mentioned the Kings as one of the eight teams in contact with Sakic about Matt Duchene. Also made it sound like a deal isn't very close at the moment.

If something were to happen, I could see a deal revolving around Martinez and Kempe. We do have a surplus of defenseman at the moment.
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Sucks for Duchene, they have put him in an uncomfortable position. Sakic is a dumbass, he should stop milking it and trade him already.
 
Statto said:
I think the competition between Fantenberg, LaDue and Frolin may be in part to see if we can afford trading Muzzin or AMart. We certainly have the need to add a proven forward and Muzzin and AMart represent the assets we could most likely move for scoring help.
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I agree. I'm thinking one of the two is a trade asset. I hope management keeps in mind that Muzzin is very close to Doughty and that could be a factor in Doughty re-signing. Not the only factor but one of several factors.
 
Cook24 said:
On TSNs insider trading, Darren Dreger mentioned the Kings as one of the eight teams in contact with Sakic about Matt Duchene. Also made it sound like a deal isn't very close at the moment.

If something were to happen, I could see a deal revolving around Martinez and Kempe. We do have a surplus of defenseman at the moment.
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Its been reported many times that Colorado is looking for a young top 4 defenseman. They will have no interest in Martinez or Muzzin. If a trade goes down, they will want LaDue or Clague, plus a prospect and pick.

I would be willing to pull off that trade considering we are in win now mode. Although if I had to pick, I would rather keep LaDue since he is NHL ready now.

Something like Clague, Kempe, and a 2nd for Duchene. Do it Blakey.
 
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