2017 Offseason Thread 4.0 - Free Agent Frenzy Time

[Raccoon Jesus]

Zero risk? Isn't missing the playoffs a risk? If we're merely counting dollars and cents don't the Kings risk losing quite a bit of money if they miss the playoffs versus Cammy's 1 million dollar deal? Missing the playoffs for 2 straight years and then that forcing Doughty to sign with a team committed to winning championships, is that not a risk? If King fans are gonna be accountants then let's take a look back at the Purcell signing and see how many posters said it was a low risk/high reward signing then he went on to put up 2 assists, where was the reward? You're paying Sutter and Lombardi to sit at home and the Kings still miss the playoffs? No risk? Seems to me the Kings as of right now are set to lose a lot of money this season.

It's a similar situation, and it's possible there's no reward.

There's no risk because you're not paying the guy to be the franchise savior that's going to fix all of the wrongs you've listed in your post. You're paying him to maybe be a support scorer for the guys you ARE throwing many millions of dollars at.

vs. Cammy's 1m dollar deal, yes, there is practically no risk unless you're heaping the expectations of the entire franchise on him like you ve done in your post.

 

[johnjm22]

Teddy Purcell-61-11-21-32 -9 8.5 shooting percentage
Michael Cammalleri-61-10-21-31 -9 7% shooting percentage

What's your point?

So this means you think Cammy is going to suck like Purcell? How does that change the fact that the signings involve no risk?

The Kings didn't suck last year because of Purcell. If the Kings suck this year it won't be because of Cammalleri.

 

[Basilisk]

LoL, anybody want Dwight King back?

 

[Sol]

LoL, anybody want Dwight King back?

... Why

 

[johnjm22]

Dwight King, also known as Casper The Ghost, is still unsigned.

Sutter was playing this guy 15 minutes a night and no one in the NHL will take him.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Any teams in the NHL trying to get slower? Dwight King would be a great add if a team wants to add an anchor.

 

[King'sPawn]

It's a similar situation, and it's possible there's no reward.

There's no risk because you're not paying the guy to be the franchise savior that's going to fix all of the wrongs you've listed in your post. You're paying him to maybe be a support scorer for the guys you ARE throwing many millions of dollars at.

vs. Cammy's 1m dollar deal, yes, there is practically no risk unless you're heaping the expectations of the entire franchise on him like you ve done in your post.

Honest to goodness. People get mad if all the eggs are put in one basket and mad if one egg gets put in a tin cup.

People want ****ing chickens to hatch without eggs.

 

[fsanford]

Teddy Purcell-61-11-21-32 -9 8.5 shooting percentage
Michael Cammalleri-61-10-21-31 -9 7% shooting percentage

You need to also look who they played for, Oilers / Lightning/ Panther probably much more offensively talented teams.

NJ Devils not so much.

This type of thing needs to also be considered.



Kind of like other teams taking Kings' back up goaltenders, most do really well in LA but fail elsewhere, Jones being exception.

Not saying Cammy will be a big success, but the odds of his numbers at least improving stand a much better chance than did Purcells.

 

[YP44]

What's your point?

So this means you think Cammy is going to suck like Purcell? How does that change the fact that the signings involve no risk?

The Kings didn't suck last year because of Purcell. If the Kings suck this year it won't be because of Cammalleri.

This I was and still a fan of who the kings signed last year. Not so much because of who they were but because they all had zero risk and were easy to walk away from if need be.

My expectations for Cammalleri are much higher then Purcell. I was hoping Purcell could help the bottom 6. Cammalleri I am hoping will help the PP and contribute to the top 6. I think he is a steal at $1m, and if not his deal is low risk too.

 

[damacles1156]

Dwight King, also known as Casper The Ghost, is still unsigned.

Sutter was playing this guy 15 minutes a night and no one in the NHL will take him.

That says more about the Kings roster than Sutter, if you ask me.

Was the Kings lineup better after Dwight King left the team ? I would argue (NO). The Kings were pretty mediocre down the stretch, after the Trade deadline.

 

[The Tikkanen]

That says more about the Kings roster than Sutter, if you ask me.

Was the Kings lineup better after Dwight King left the team ? I would argue (NO). The Kings were pretty mediocre down the stretch, after the Trade deadline.

I think most King fans are in agreement that we would have rather have had Brodzinski or Kempe getting minutes on the top line rather than Lewis or King. The way the roster is now, it's almost the same as last season so you're an injury to Brown or Cammy (100% chance of this happening) to seeing another undeserving player play on the top line again. If we're going bargain basement shopping then I don't see an issue with signing another winger like Vanek or Jagr and trying to find a veteran 3C so that the Kings can roll 3 scoring lines. While none of these guys are in their prime or putting up big numbers we just cannot see the likes of Dwight King or Trevor Lewis on the top line and if Brown is resting for the playoffs again he can be moved down to the 3W where he belongs. You're gonna need scoring depth with Brown and Cammy on the top line and right now the Kings don't have it. Razor thin and counting on bounce back seasons from 5 players is asking way too much.

 

[damacles1156]

I would rather have a Veteran NHL forward like Cammy or Jagr in over Brodzinski or Kempe.

Brodz will probably top out as a Tweener if he can even carve out an NHL career.

Kempe is vastly overrated atm, he should be back in the AHL.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I would rather have a Veteran NHL forward like Cammy or Jagr in over Brodzinski or Kempe.

Brodz will probably top out as a Tweener if he can even carve out an NHL career.

Kempe is vastly overrated atm, he should be back in the AHL.

Just wait for the "Vilardi is ready to be our number two center" posts in December/January.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Dwight King, also known as Casper The Ghost, is still unsigned.

Sutter was playing this guy 15 minutes a night and no one in the NHL will take him.

Left wing has always been a weakness on this team. Everyone knew King was not a top 6, but someone still needed to play there and everyone else on the left side didn't belong in the top 6 except Pearson.

 

[damacles1156]

Left wing has always been a weakness on this team. Everyone knew King was not a top 6, but someone still needed to play there and everyone else on the left side didn't belong in the top 6 except Pearson.

It's still a weakness.

Just like 3C and Slava's vacant spot. Heck with the way Muzzin/A-Mart played last season, the entire 2nd pairing is still a big (?)

 

[kingsboy11]

I would rather have a Veteran NHL forward like Cammy or Jagr in over Brodzinski or Kempe.

Brodz will probably top out as a Tweener if he can even carve out an NHL career.

Kempe is vastly overrated atm, he should be back in the AHL.

I don't know why you keep saying this. I don't think anyone is rating him that highly around here at the moment. I think he's always been projected as a middle 6 forward. But if you just think he's overrated because he should stay in the AHL a little more then that's fine I won't argue with you there.

And correct me if I'm wrong, (please correct me for I could be thinking of someone else) but didn't you say several months ago that Kempe could be Kopitar's replacement?

 

[kingsholygrail]

It's still a weakness.

Just like 3C and Slava's vacant spot. Heck with the way Muzzin/A-Mart played last season, the entire 2nd pairing is still a big (?)

Yeah. A lot is going to depend on players having bounce back years. And even then, that just minimalizes the gaps, doesn't get rid of them.

 

[damacles1156]

I don't know why you keep saying this. I don't think anyone is rating him that highly around here at the moment. I think he's always been projected as a middle 6 forward. But if you just think he's overrated because he should stay in the AHL a little more then that's fine I won't argue with you there.

And correct me if I'm wrong, (please correct me for I could be thinking of someone else) but didn't you say several months ago that Kempe could be Kopitar's replacement?

Nope, Never said that.

Kempe doesn't even have a scoring touch like (Toffoli/Pearson). I've been always saying that Kempe is never going to score much in the NHL.

Over the last year, I have even questioned the decision of Kings brass playing him at Center. Although Kempe will probably play better at Center, I do concede that point.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Prior to the draft Kempe wasn't even the best prospect in the Kings pipeline. Amadio has done more.

 

[kingsboy11]

Nope, Never said that.

Kempe doesn't even posses Toffoli's scoring touch. I've been always saying that Kempe is never going to score much in the NHL.

My apologies then. I know some here said that and I thought that was ridiculous. I always considered him a 3rd line forward who could move up and down the lineup. I don't think anyone should be expecting Kempe as a top line winger.

I will say this I thought Kempe was more noticeable in the NHL than he was in the AHL. He'll play in the NHL, but he needs to find out what kind of player he wants to be.

 

[damacles1156]

Prior to the draft Kempe wasn't even the best prospect in the Kings pipeline. Amadio has done more.

I think Amadio will eventually turn into a more productive player.

Not due to skill, but Amadio never really takes a shift off.

Kempe for some reason, still has that problem.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Gravel files for arbitration. Oh boy

 

[tsanuri]

Gravel files for arbitration. Oh boy

Doesn't mean it will even make it there. I actually think he'll sign before the hearing.

 

[BigKing]

Not that a prospect necessarily "earns" an ELC, but Gravel did sign an AHL contract as opposed to an NHL contract at first when he could have just been a UFA, unless I'm mistaken about the UFA part.

 

[Sacha Baron Corbin]

I would rather have a Veteran NHL forward like Cammy or Jagr in over Brodzinski or Kempe.

Brodz will probably top out as a Tweener if he can even carve out an NHL career.

Kempe is vastly overrated atm, he should be back in the AHL.

If the Kings were a playoff team I would agree, but the reality is the Kings won't make the playoffs, not with this roster. I'd rather see how Kempe and Brodz develop over a full season rather than sitting them for veteran plugs (not Cammy or Jagr necessarily, more like Shore, Clifford, Nolan, etc.)

Brodzinski is already 24 so I doubt the AHL will do much for him anymore, Kempe might be able to develop more of a scoring touch with another AHL season but i see him topping out as a 40-point player anyway, which would still be better than any of our options in the bottom six right now