Speculation: 2017 Offseason/Expansion Draft Part II

[Brodeur]

"Los Angeles traded Kimmo Timonen and Jan Vopat to Nashville after the Predators agreed not to select Garry Galley."

In hindsight, what a blunder by LAK.

Yup, big blunder. Although the other caveat that wasn't mentioned was that Nashville agreed to draft LA's #3 goalie Frederic Chabot. At the time, LA had an issue with protecting goalies. Incumbent starter Stephane Fiset was 28 and presumed goalie of the future Jamie Storr was 22.

There would be expansion drafts in 1999 and 2000, so LA figured they'd have a problem protecting both goalies. Back then, teams had the option of protecting 9 forwards-5 defensemen-1 goalie or 7 forwards-3 defensemen-2 goalies.

There was also a little known rule that said that a team couldn't lose a goaltender in consecutive expansion drafts. Since the Kings lost a goalie in 1998, they could protect 9-5-1 and not worry about losing another goalie in 1999.

 

[MadDevil]

"Los Angeles traded Kimmo Timonen and Jan Vopat to Nashville after the Predators agreed not to select Garry Galley."

In hindsight, what a blunder by LAK.

"San Jose traded Jan Caloun, a ninth-round pick (Martin Paroulek) in the 2000 NHL Entry Draft, and a conditional pick in the 2001 NHL Entry Draft to Columbus on June 11, 2000, after the Blue Jackets agreed not to select Evgeni Nabokov."

Columbus could have had Nabokov as their starter.

 

[Brodeur]

"San Jose traded Jan Caloun, a ninth-round pick (Martin Paroulek) in the 2000 NHL Entry Draft, and a conditional pick in the 2001 NHL Entry Draft to Columbus on June 11, 2000, after the Blue Jackets agreed not to select Evgeni Nabokov."

Columbus could have had Nabokov as their starter.

Minnesota took a side deal as well.

San Jose traded Andy Sutton, a seventh-round pick (Peter Bartoš) in the 2000 Entry Draft and a third-round pick (later traded to Columbus - (Aaron Johnson) in the 2001 Entry Draft to Minnesota on June 11, 2000, for an eighth-round pick in the 2000 Entry Draft after the Wild agreed not to select Evgeni Nabokov.

At the time, Nabokov only had three seasons mostly in the AHL. Off the top of my head, I think an unheralded Milan Hejduk was available for Nashville's expansion draft.

Edit: Reading up on the 2000 Expansion draft thread on the History board. I forgot that Columbus acquired Marc Denis ahead of the expansion draft which at the time seemed like a tremendous get. Denis had the first round pedigree and hadn't yet turned 23. Most of us thought Denis was the heir apparent to Patrick Roy in Colorado.

 

[Ripshot 43]

The NHL really needs to reconsider not making the teams expansion lists public.

 

[Billdo]

The NHL really needs to reconsider not making the teams expansion lists public.

Last I read, they were, iirc.

 

[Ripshot 43]

Last I read, they were, iirc.

Just a few days ago it was released that we will not find out who was exposed.

Resaid it this way, just incase my original post was confusing.

I want to know who is exposed! (That sounds wrong)

 

[Brooklyndevil]

Last I read, they were, iirc.

That's what I thought I heard or read.

 

[KohoDonuts88]

If we pick up a d-man from MIN or ANA, we simply protect 8 skaters instead of 7/3. The only forwards to be concerned with protecting are Hall, Zajac, Henrique & Palmieri. Add Greene, Severson, Merrill & new guy and we're set.

 

[Triumph]

Just a few days ago it was released that we will not find out who was exposed.

Resaid it this way, just incase my original post was confusing.

I want to know who is exposed! (That sounds wrong)

I believe Billdo is saying that the league is reconsidering. What they have to consider is that the lists will probably leak anyway and that would be worse.

 

[Billdo]

I believe Billdo is saying that the league is reconsidering. What they have to consider is that the lists will probably leak anyway and that would be worse.

Yeah, I read they're reconsidering NOT releasing the lists. It might cause some internal problems but let's be real here. They're professionals, it's a business. These things happen.

 

[MadDevil]

Are we sure it's the league pushing back on releasing those lists and not the PA?

 

[nugg]

If we got Brodin I'd risk exposing Jon Merrill. His lack of production, even though he can play and injury problems will keep him safe. I'd be shocked if he was taken.

Well then we should trade for both. They MUST trade both to avoid losing one or the other.

 

[MichaelJ]

Well then we should trade for both. They MUST trade both to avoid losing one or the other.

If we're going for a package deal from Minny to help their ED situation (I don't think we have the assets), we'd have a better chance of taking a forward with a contract to help their cap. Pominville and Brodin might fit the bill, frees up their Expansion problems and relieves cap. We can eat Pominville for 2 years and he might even contribute as a veteran presence. Depends if he waives his NMC/NTC and how motivated Minny is to move him.

 

[Smitty426]

Just don't see us having the pieces to pull that off though.

Winnipeg doesn't really need anything aside from LD. They have plenty of forward prospects, most better than the ones we have. They have Hellebuyck/Hutchinson in net.

Merrill or Moore shouldn't be enough to get them talking. They would probably want Rykov to be completely honest which the Devils shouldn't move.

They'd likely want an equivalent LD for Trouba and unless we trick them into thinking Merrill is a top four LD, then there's no deal to be made.

Why not Rykov and one of Moore/Merrill. Rykov MAY be good but Trouba IS good.
Rykov is 19, Trouba 23 not a ton between them.

Winny will want a pick too, so expect it.

I like going for Shattenkirk (no pics just cash) and Folwer (For a LW and a 1st) myself, throw in Brodin and we are done!

 

[Eric Sachs]

Minnesota isn't going to trade a defenseman. They have 5 guys worth protecting.. what exactly is the point to trade one of them if they're still going to lose the other? Much better to just lose the one..

 

[MichaelJ]

Why not Rykov and one of Moore/Merrill. Rykov MAY be good but Trouba IS good.
Rykov is 19, Trouba 23 not a ton between them.

Winny will want a pick too, so expect it.

I like going for Shattenkirk (no pics just cash) and Folwer (For a LW and a 1st) myself, throw in Brodin and we are done!

I don't think they move Trouba yet. He's an RFA after next year. If he's moved it'll be next offseason.

 

[Smitty426]

Minnesota isn't going to trade a defenseman. They have 5 guys worth protecting.. what exactly is the point to trade one of them if they're still going to lose the other? Much better to just lose the one..

Exactly, Shero is better off trading with McPhee on the D man Minny losses. But LV could take Vegas boy Zucker and GMGM bypasses the D, he will have a ton to pick from other teams.
The one thing is, Minny has no 1st or 2nd round pick this year, so maybe our picks help that situation, post ED

 

[Smitty426]

I don't think they move Trouba yet. He's an RFA after next year. If he's moved it'll be next offseason.

I agree, just if we playing GM, why not.
I'd like to see us make a few moves to make players want to come here. If we landed Shattenkirk that would nudge us that way.

 

[MadDevil]

It'll definitely be interesting to see how Vegas goes about this expansion draft. They could take a bunch of defensemen, and then flip some of them for other assets. The prices for defensemen are almost always higher than forwards.

 

[Emperoreddy]

It'll definitely be interesting to see how Vegas goes about this expansion draft. They could take a bunch of defensemen, and then flip some of them for other assets. The prices for defensemen are almost always higher than forwards.

Maybe Vegas is a team we could deal with depending who they take. If we can get Shatty, we could also send them Clowe's contract to help with their cap floor.

 

[Ripshot 43]

I believe Billdo is saying that the league is reconsidering. What they have to consider is that the lists will probably leak anyway and that would be worse.

Yeah, I read they're reconsidering NOT releasing the lists. It might cause some internal problems but let's be real here. They're professionals, it's a business. These things happen.

Understood!

This is good news and agreed. They are all big boys and need to understand that it's a business.

 

[Zippy316]

Why not Rykov and one of Moore/Merrill. Rykov MAY be good but Trouba IS good.
Rykov is 19, Trouba 23 not a ton between them.

Winny will want a pick too, so expect it.

I like going for Shattenkirk (no pics just cash) and Folwer (For a LW and a 1st) myself, throw in Brodin and we are done!

Not a shot.

We're still rebuilding and trading from a position of weakness to add to a position of relative strength isn't smart at all.

We need to add LD, not trade them and especially not trade LDs for RDs.

 

[NJDevils17]

Maybe Vegas is a team we could deal with depending who they take. If we can get Shatty, we could also send them Clowe's contract to help with their cap floor.

Would that affect Clowe's status on the coaching staff? I don't think so but I don't know what that would mean contractually speaking.

 

[Billdo]

Would that affect Clowe's status on the coaching staff? I don't think so but I don't know what that would mean contractually speaking.

It shouldn't. Pronger was still a valuable contract while he was working for the league lol

 

[Smitty426]

Not a shot.

We're still rebuilding and trading from a position of weakness to add to a position of relative strength isn't smart at all.

We need to add LD, not trade them and especially not trade LDs for RDs.

We need good D all over, sure more on the left but on the top pairing we need both
If we could get Trouba for that I'm in
As I said I prefer more offensive D
So I would agree on the left side with a Fowler type