Prospect Info: 2017 NHL Draft / Pick #7 - Lias Andersson (C)
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Pavel Buchnevich
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Anyone else disappointed with his stats so far? I didn't realize he only had 3 points in about 9 games. That kinda sucks for a guy drafted in the top 10. I know his game isn't all about offense, but he had 19 in 42 games last season. I'd expect no less than like .66 per game this season. For example, the Canucks pick Pettersson is 12 in about 12 games.
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This is a bad hockey team.
I have a bad feeling that we're going to regret not taking Mittelstadt. He seems to have more offensive upside than Lias.
Amazing Kreiderman
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Pettersson is a different player than Andersson. Ovechkin scores more than Toews. Doesn't mean Toews is disappointing.
I have seen him play several times and while he isn't flashy, his positioning is great. He reads the game and manages to be there where he needs to be. He has more takeaways than the flashy players, which is, to me at least, just as important.
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Different team, different role from the team he was on last year.
Plus the first 4 games or so he was still getting adjusted after all the travel. He played well in those tournament games but those stats don't show up.
Pavel Buchnevich
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The SHL is no better than the AHL, it probably isn't even as good. If you are an eventual NHL top 6'er or middle 6'er, you probably shouldn't have too much trouble scoring at a good rate in the SHL. Its a league that some guys average really high point totals but then can't even score at a top 9 rate in the NHL.
I'm not saying we judge Andersson on 9 games, but I do think he's going to need to start picking it up. I've watched a few games, and he's kind of just there. He's a contributor, I wouldn't say he's out of place, but I have not noticed him as a standout, which is kind of worrying. He can be a hard work guy and stand out in the SHL. If you are picking him 7th, he has to do more than just be there. Outside of SKA or CSKA who have NHL rosters, there really shouldn't be a team anywhere outside the NHL where a first round pick should not be expected to standout right after their draft.
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3 points in 5 games isn't great, but it isn't bad either. It's early in the season and the first few games he was clearly not fit enough to make a difference due to the travel schedule.
I will reserve judgement until the season is over. But I still feel Andersson's style isn't that of a goal-scorer. We also need to take into account what the role of the player is. Andersson is on the 2nd line behind Joel Lundqvist, who is the captain and will be on the 1st line unless he is injured.
His 3 points have come in the past 4 games after going scoreless in five to start, so he might be picking it up. I think he'll be fine once he settles in.
I know it's fun to compare stats, but with kids that are 18 and 19 there's not much point as there's so much development ahead of the kids. I mean, you can have a kid at 19 that's ready for the NHL and a kid that doesn't make it there until 21, and the latter player ends up being the better of the two.
I'm not saying it's totally pointless comparing production between kids. I just think it's more valuable to evaluate the kids on their own merits within their own contexts. I haven't seen anything from Lias to have me concerned. In fact, everything he's done since the summer has me encouraged. That's just me though.
I know it's fun to compare stats, but with kids that are 18 and 19 there's not much point as there's so much development ahead of the kids. I mean, you can have a kid at 19 that's ready for the NHL and a kid that doesn't make it there until 21, and the latter player ends up being the better of the two.
I'm not saying it's totally pointless comparing production between kids. I just think it's more valuable to evaluate the kids on their own merits within their own contexts. I haven't seen anything from Lias to have me concerned. In fact, everything he's done since the summer has me encouraged. That's just me though.
Pavel Buchnevich
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I'm trying to rationalize it by saying Chytil was the 7th pick, and Andersson was the 21st pick. That way, it seems okay. Either way, Andersson needs to pick it up. He's not going to be worth the 21st pick, if he's struggling to score in the SHL.
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Pavel Buchnevich
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Go ahead and check my posts. That will alert you.
I don't know why you refuse to accept that he's not doing as you'd expect of the 7th pick. He has 3 points in 9 games. Maybe thats explainable in the NHL with excuses, but we are talking about a low level league. Most of the guys in those leagues will never be good enough to play in the NHL. Not only is he not off to the best start (and not particularly standing out) in the SHL, but he was outplayed in camp by Chytil, a guy who's nearly a year younger. 4 months after the draft, there seems to be consensus that the better of our two picks was the guy picked 21st, not the guy picked 7th.
So I'm not calling Andersson a bust, that would be ridiculous, but he needs to pick it up. Maybe he already is doing so with 3 points in his last 4 games, but I personally have not been all that impressed by his performances so far, and the point totals aren't great either. The expectations for a 7th overall pick need to be high.
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Andersson is fine.
How his offense translate to the NHL level is, was, and will be the biggest question mark until he establishes himself one way or the other. This is not news, nor should it be treated as such.
Andersson is also not always being used in a primary offensive role in the SHL, so that's something that has to be taken into consideration.
Andersson was picked 7th because he had a higher probability of finding a steady, key role in the NHL. There were always other options with higher offensive ceilings, but more unpredictable odds of making it to the NHL. That's also one of the reasons Chytil was taken 21st.
Where a player is taken has almost, if not as much to do about odds of reaching top-end potential and whether you think he will be around the next time you pick, as it does with offensive ability.
You might think a third round pick has more natural ability than your first rounder, but you knew his projections were a little less precise and he was likely to still be on the board in the third round. As such, you waited to pick him.
I think we get too caught up in where a player was taken and use that to pinpoint the players value and upside. While it factors into the conversation, depending on the player, it begins to lose value almost immediately after the team sees their picks in a closed setting that allows for more intimate observations. It only continues to lose significance from there.
Again, there is no horse here that we haven't beaten to death, resurrected Frankenstein style, and then pulverized.
How his offense translate to the NHL level is, was, and will be the biggest question mark until he establishes himself one way or the other. This is not news, nor should it be treated as such.
Andersson is also not always being used in a primary offensive role in the SHL, so that's something that has to be taken into consideration.
Andersson was picked 7th because he had a higher probability of finding a steady, key role in the NHL. There were always other options with higher offensive ceilings, but more unpredictable odds of making it to the NHL. That's also one of the reasons Chytil was taken 21st.
Where a player is taken has almost, if not as much to do about odds of reaching top-end potential and whether you think he will be around the next time you pick, as it does with offensive ability.
You might think a third round pick has more natural ability than your first rounder, but you knew his projections were a little less precise and he was likely to still be on the board in the third round. As such, you waited to pick him.
I think we get too caught up in where a player was taken and use that to pinpoint the players value and upside. While it factors into the conversation, depending on the player, it begins to lose value almost immediately after the team sees their picks in a closed setting that allows for more intimate observations. It only continues to lose significance from there.
Again, there is no horse here that we haven't beaten to death, resurrected Frankenstein style, and then pulverized.
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Wasn’t it reported that he and his linemates were having some chemistry issues in those first 5 games? From what I’ve seen, he’s looked better with the defensive positioning, control on the puck, and neutral zone play. It’s an element we’re lacking dearly, and even if Lias can be a Coots type of player for us, it’ll be a win. I’m not too worried about the offense because we know he has a plus shot and release; I’m more concerned about his playmaking
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Edge
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Vegas' first two rounds were amazingly solid. That's the kind of draft day I've wanted to have for a long time. I think they found some real keepers.
I LOVED Glass (who is on pace for 36 goals and 126 points at the moment) and was also very high on Suzuki (on pace for 54/138) and Brannstrom. I thought Hague and Leschyshyn have potential.
E-Train
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I believe McKenzie tweeted on draft day that they liked Pettersson, Glass, Andersson and Suzuki with the AZ pick. Looks like it was in that order as well.
Edge
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That sounds about right.
Patrick was also a guy they liked, if he slipped to three, and if they could somehow find a way to get the pick.
They probably weren't getting Glass because he was Vegas' primary target. I think McPhee was prepared to move up to three for Glass if he had to.
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Jim Benning was worried the Rangers were going to take Pettersson. If you watch his mic'd up video at the draft, he was talking about moving down to 6thOA, or 8thOA.
And then once the Rangers traded for the 7th, he told the Sabres management person that they didn't want to move down anymore (at least to 8th)
He had an idea that McPhee wanted Glass, and wanted to move down one to get an extra pick. But once McPhee knew Benning wanted Pettersson, they ended talks haha
And then once the Rangers traded for the 7th, he told the Sabres management person that they didn't want to move down anymore (at least to 8th)
He had an idea that McPhee wanted Glass, and wanted to move down one to get an extra pick. But once McPhee knew Benning wanted Pettersson, they ended talks haha
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I can't believe we traded up for the highest pick we've had in over a decade to draft someone who has a shot to top out as a third line player. Ridiculous. Awful drafting by this organization once again.
Oscar Lindberg
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What?
He won't top out as a third line player. He will be a 2 way top 6 center in this league for years
Pavel Buchnevich
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I wouldn't say his upside is a 3C, but the more I've watched, I do not see 1C upside, so I think its between 2C and 3C. How likely is he to be a 2C? I think a team would be pretty upset with getting a 3C with the 7th pick, and that guy would likely be deemed a slight-bust. A 2C with the 7th pick is not bad, and works, but now the question is how likely is Andersson a 2C?
When people use the terms #1 and #2 C etc, what exactly do they mean and what's the cutoff point?
The consensus seems to be that Stepan is a (low-end) #1, and he has a career high of 57pts. If Andersson can play well defensively and hit 53 pts is he a #1 or a #2? What's the highest point total he can hit while still being a #3?
The consensus seems to be that Stepan is a (low-end) #1, and he has a career high of 57pts. If Andersson can play well defensively and hit 53 pts is he a #1 or a #2? What's the highest point total he can hit while still being a #3?
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