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WJC: 2017 Finland Roster Talk

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I wouldn't get too worked up about losing badly in an exhibition game to Canada..it's happened before to teams that ended up beating them when it really counted. Yes the defence struggled in that game, but it wasn't the group that will be playing in the tournament..there will be a core of four or five that will be heavily relied on, Juolevi in particular, and they will be solid.
 
Finnish optimism? :D

Hagged said:
The point is the whole team is a disgrace to all of hockey. Veini, or any other single prospect cannot make that huge of a difference. Even having the whole Laine-Aho-Puljujarvi back on ice might have been inadequate for Finland to medal. It's crazy to single out Veini as the sole reason. If, however, PuLa-Aho line was back, there was a Rask in goal, there were high impact D-men such as Ristolainen on defense, yes, I could see a medal being reasonable expectations.
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Lineup at practice today per YLE:

Eeli Tolvanen - Julius Nättinen - Petrus Palmu
Janne Kuokkanen - Henrik Borgström - Kristian Vesalainen
Arttu Ruotsalainen - Aapeli Räsänen - Otto Koivula
Kasper Björkqvist - Julius Mattila - Joona Luoto
Teemu Väyrynen

Juuso Välimäki - Vili Saarijärvi
Olli Juolevi - Miro Heiskanen
Urho Vaakanainen - Jesper Mattila
Juho Rautanen

PP1
Kristian Vesalainen - Henrik Borgström - Eeli Tolvanen
Janne Kuokkanen - Olli Juolevi

PP2
Otto Koivula - Julius Nättinen - Petrus Palmu
Vili Saarijärvi - Miro Heiskanen
 
Sucks that Robin Salo didn't make it. I was looking forward to watch all of our draft eligible defensemen play and see how much they've made progression from the U18 last spring.
 
Grant McCagg said:
I wouldn't get too worked up about losing badly in an exhibition game to Canada..it's happened before to teams that ended up beating them when it really counted. Yes the defence struggled in that game, but it wasn't the group that will be playing in the tournament..there will be a core of four or five that will be heavily relied on, Juolevi in particular, and they will be solid.
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It's not that we lost to Canada.
It's Vehvi looking like he did last year again.

Atleast the group is weaker and he has a chance to build some confidence.

JJTT said:
Lineup at practice today per YLE:

Eeli Tolvanen - Julius Nättinen - Petrus Palmu
Janne Kuokkanen - Henrik Borgström - Kristian Vesalainen
Arttu Ruotsalainen - Aapeli Räsänen - Otto Koivula
Kasper Björkqvist - Julius Mattila - Joona Luoto
Teemu Väyrynen

Juuso Välimäki - Vili Saarijärvi
Olli Juolevi - Miro Heiskanen
Urho Vaakanainen - Jesper Mattila
Juho Rautanen

PP1
Kristian Vesalainen - Henrik Borgström - Eeli Tolvanen
Janne Kuokkanen - Olli Juolevi

PP2
Otto Koivula - Julius Nättinen - Petrus Palmu
Vili Saarijärvi - Miro Heiskanen
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Bolded need to be the 1st line and 1st pairing.
 
BB88 said:
Bolded need to be the 1st line and 1st pairing.
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They will. Palmu and Tolvanen aren't exactly known for their defensive game so hard to see them getting the toughest matchups.
 
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Hagged said:
Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen was about the only real option as the #1 goalie. And still Vehvilainen would have been in the team as the back up.

The truth is, even if there was a Rask level goalie prospect (which Ukko-Pekka just might be) it wouldn't be enough for team Finland to medal. Not with this offense, not with this defense, and definitely not now without the star goalie.

The point is the whole team is a disgrace to all of hockey. Veini, or any other single prospect cannot make that huge of a difference. Even having the whole Laine-Aho-Puljujarvi back on ice might have been inadequate for Finland to medal. It's crazy to single out Veini as the sole reason. If, however, PuLa-Aho line was back, there was a Rask in goal, there were high impact D-men such as Ristolainen on defense, yes, I could see a medal being reasonable expectations.
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Finland won gold despite terrible defense, and now you're saying Finland needs to have the best of the 2014 gold medalists mixed with the best of the 2016 gold medalists in order to get any type of medal? LOL
 
JJTT said:
Lineup at practice today per YLE:

Eeli Tolvanen - Julius Nättinen - Petrus Palmu
Janne Kuokkanen - Henrik Borgström - Kristian Vesalainen
Arttu Ruotsalainen - Aapeli Räsänen - Otto Koivula
Kasper Björkqvist - Julius Mattila - Joona Luoto
Teemu Väyrynen

Juuso Välimäki - Vili Saarijärvi
Olli Juolevi - Miro Heiskanen
Urho Vaakanainen - Jesper Mattila
Juho Rautanen

PP1
Kristian Vesalainen - Henrik Borgström - Eeli Tolvanen
Janne Kuokkanen - Olli Juolevi

PP2
Otto Koivula - Julius Nättinen - Petrus Palmu
Vili Saarijärvi - Miro Heiskanen
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I have no idea who the following are:
- Arttu Ruotsalainen
- Julius Mattila
- Joona Luoto
- Teemu Väyrynen
- Jesper Mattila
- Juho Rautanen

Could anyone come up with some insight? any of these have any NHL potential?
 
teravaineSAROS said:
I have no idea who the following are:
- Arttu Ruotsalainen
- Julius Mattila
- Joona Luoto
- Teemu Väyrynen
- Jesper Mattila
- Juho Rautanen

Could anyone come up with some insight? any of these have any NHL potential?
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Väyrynen, Mattila and Ruotsalainen are small hardworking guys with some offensive skills. Ruotsalainen is the most talented of these three.

Luoto is a big two way winger who can score. Some potential there.

Mattila and Rautanen are your average 6 or 7th d-man.
 
JJTT said:
They will. Palmu and Tolvanen aren't exactly known for their defensive game so hard to see them getting the toughest matchups.
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No,if you think so,you don't know these players...

Palmu can play against anyone,anyday. He is stockiest
170cm guy ever,guy is built like 6 foot 4 contruction worker :yo:

Tolvanen might not be your go to guy when defending
but his great timing,IQ will be enough for "Natty" to
pick up the rest...with Palmu.

This first line will be fine as it is,no worries.
 
JJTT said:
Lineup at practice today per YLE:

Eeli Tolvanen - Julius Nättinen - Petrus Palmu
Janne Kuokkanen - Henrik Borgström - Kristian Vesalainen
Arttu Ruotsalainen - Aapeli Räsänen - Otto Koivula
Kasper Björkqvist - Julius Mattila - Joona Luoto
Teemu Väyrynen

Juuso Välimäki - Vili Saarijärvi
Olli Juolevi - Miro Heiskanen
Urho Vaakanainen - Jesper Mattila
Juho Rautanen

PP1
Kristian Vesalainen - Henrik Borgström - Eeli Tolvanen
Janne Kuokkanen - Olli Juolevi

PP2
Otto Koivula - Julius Nättinen - Petrus Palmu
Vili Saarijärvi - Miro Heiskanen
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I see,Kuokkanen takes his own spot in the first PP unit,
great stuff this season from there in London.

Palmu in the otherhand doesn't seem to be at his spot
on PP at second unit,but i think Palmu will replace Heiskanen
and Saarijärvi switches sides and Räsänen will take Palmu's spot.

Otherwise it looks surprisingly good.
 
Nättinen is wrong guy to centering Tolvanen.
Last time when Nättinen was Tolvanen's center ( in Canada game) it didn't work at all and Tolvanen couldn't score at all.

And once again why Vesalainen Räsänen Tolvanen line is again separated.
When Rautakorpi finally takes his brains out of his ass and puts Vesalainen Räsänen and Tolvanen back together.

He's totally forgotten that fact Vesalainen Räsänen Tolvanen line carried Finland in U18 WJC gold in Grand Forks.
And that trio has excellent chemistry there.

These lines in tomorrows Czech Republic game are so wrong as ever possible.
Nättinen isn't 1st center type so he's wrong guy to centering our top line.

These lines are horrible.
 
GeorgeLeafer12 said:
I see,Kuokkanen takes his own spot in the first PP unit,
great stuff this season from there in London.

Palmu in the otherhand doesn't seem to be at his spot
on PP at second unit,but i think Palmu will replace Heiskanen
and Saarijärvi switches sides and Räsänen will take Palmu's spot.

Otherwise it looks surprisingly good.
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And where's Räsänen are you joking with these lines.
Räsänen belongs together with Tolvanen ( they have played together in U18 WCJ's and Sioux City and they'll have EXCELLENT CHEMISTRY.)
 
GeorgeLeafer12 said:
No,if you think so,you don't know these players...

Palmu can play against anyone,anyday. He is stockiest
170cm guy ever,guy is built like 6 foot 4 contruction worker :yo:

Tolvanen might not be your go to guy when defending
but his great timing,IQ will be enough for "Natty" to
pick up the rest...with Palmu.

This first line will be fine as it is,no worries.
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Wrong there's big worry.
I'm not convinced that Nättinen is right guy to centering Tolvanen.
 
Wilfrd said:
About all finnish fans think we're going to tank it this year, so I expect back-to-back champioships :naughty:
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Not gonna happen if Veini ''the sieve'' can't handle pressures and be really much better than last year.
Ruusu isn't impressive either his stats in mestis are horrible.
 
Hey love all your great fan up in Finland I think you guys are going to do alot better than people think!

Any news who is the starter for the tourny?
 
Finland's defense seems to be the best aspect of the team. Goalies are questionable and probably the weakness of the team, offence can be anything from good to bad IMO. Too bad that Saarela and Pulju couldn't participate, the team would have been so much better. Looking at this year's team makes you really appreciate last year's team, especially forward wise.

Can't wait for the games to start!
 
I like the team quite a bit. I especially have a lot of faith in the D. The goalies should be good if not spectacular and the offense has a lot of potential. I have a feeling that Tolvanen will once again lead the team in goals. The team also has two great PP units at least on paper.

I don't get the pessimism. The only teams that are better on paper are Canada, USA and Sweden, but luckily these games are not played on paper. Anything's possible; they could suck or they could win the whole tournament. I just know I'm going to enjoy the tournament whatever happens.
 
teravaineSAROS said:
I have no idea who the following are:
- Arttu Ruotsalainen
- Julius Mattila
- Joona Luoto
- Teemu Väyrynen
- Jesper Mattila
- Juho Rautanen

Could anyone come up with some insight? any of these have any NHL potential?
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JJTT said:
Luoto is a big two way winger who can score. Some potential there.
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Luoto is someone to keep an eye on. Got a chance in FEL because of injuries and took it. 8 games played and 4+1 in those games. He looked pretty good in those games. I do't think I am the only fan who would have liked to see him getting more responsibility already.

The description of "a big two way winger who can score" above is pretty good. I think Luoto would have played more in many FEL-teams already this season but Tappara is currently pretty well equipped on the wings. Without injuries it would be hard for any junior to break in the team currently (Haapala, Savinainen, Repo, Karjalainen, Nurmi, Peltola etc already proven players ahead). Luoto is not that "Laine-like special kid" who you just put in the roster and trust that he will grow up to his new responsibility.

At least I think it will be interesting to see how Rautakorpi uses him since Luoto should be in Rautakorpi's Tappara next season... Even though Luoto may not have NHL potential I think that he can be one of the next guys who grow in Tappara to be good enough and take the next step and create at least a decent career in European top leagues.
 
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