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2017-18 Around the League Thread - Part III

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vadim sharifijanov

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BKVCMU said:
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The assets you gave away become not that important if you consistently get the best player in a deal
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Weirdly, I think Benning has actually managed according to this and has tried to get the 'best player' and not worried about bleeding assets ... but it's just that his talent evaluation skills are so awful that he actually ends up getting the worst player and bleeding assets at the same time.
 
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MS said:
Weirdly, I think Benning has actually managed according to this and has tried to get the 'best player' and not worried about bleeding assets ... but it's just that his talent evaluation skills are so awful that he actually ends up getting the worst player and bleeding assets at the same time.
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Trades that he got the best player:
Baertschi trade
Granlund??? He could have got more than just Granlund
Dahlen for potential reason
Pouliot I guess.

That's four deals in almost 4 years
I called that bad
 
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krutovsdonut said:
think of a hockey team as a patient. now think of a full scorched earth rebuild as an intensive intravenous antibiotic regime that cures the patient but also kills all the native bacteria in their gut. patient is seemingly healthy afterwards but has ongoing digestive issues and related issues until they can replace that gut bacteria. which can take years unless you do a successful transplant from another human gut, which is tough to do.
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No in this instance the bacteria that is infecting this team is management... so we need to cut them out.

Your actually example isn't taking the odds into account... that is what tanking does. Best odds at getting the best player or mostly done at the top of the draft... best odds to get this are by having the worst record. Those are facts.
 

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racerjoe said:
No in this instance the bacteria that is infecting this team is management... so we need to cut them out.

Your actually example isn't taking the odds into account... that is what tanking does. Best odds at getting the best player or mostly done at the top of the draft... best odds to get this are by having the worst record. Those are facts.
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But your example focuses only on the draft, which is EA Sports bush league thinking at best. His example was essentially saying that the draft is only one part of a very complex system.
 

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Kolden Bannaran said:
VGK locks up Brayden McNabb for 4 years @2.5M

What a steal. To think that people are talking about 5M for freaking Gudbranson, who is one year younger, one inch taller and several degrees worse at hockey.
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Yes but Gubranson was a mighty 3rd overall pick and has a handsome face.

That is a reasonable rate for a bottom pairing board-go-boom kind of player. Gudbranson has been riding his pedigree for $$$ since day one.

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Love the moves NJD have been making the past few years. Picking up Palmeri for a 2nd and 3rd was INSANE value.

Hall for Larson they are laughing to the bank, especially now that they have picked up a PPQB in Vatanen and dealt from a position of strength (number of good young forwards)

Leveraging WSH's cap strapped situation to snag Johansson for a 2nd and 3rd, again, fantastic value.

That's 2 50point top 6 wingers without giving up a 1st round pick. A

And to think that we traded a 2nd, a 4th, and a 24th overall prospect to get an 8-10pt bottom pairing defenceman.

THIS is how you do "age gap" management.
 
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Bryzzzzzz is the best interview Ever! The guy is hilarious and I really hope he stays in commentary after his playing days.

Lolololo make me giggle every time.
 
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yvrtojfk said:
Again, I wondered why they made the trade. I get Duchene is better but not the overpayment they made. Turris doing fine in Smashville.
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I heard from Sportsnet that Ottawa was afraid of not being able to sign Turris. How much will Duchene want?
 

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No you need good management. This is what teams that draft high and go no where have in common.

What you are suggesting would be like a poker player going all in with bad odds vs good odds. Sure will the bad odds get lucky here and there yes... that is how odds work. However the best play where you will win most of the time is to push in when the ods are in your favour.
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I'm with you with regard to the poor decisions made by this management group. I do not agree though that all out tanking is a sure fire recipe for success. I'd rather see the team supplemented with some veterans and attempt to compete. This management team has made a number of very poor decisions - like Sutter, Ericksson, Gudbranson, etc., but I do not subscribe to any theory that the team is best off to just strip down to all rookies or young players and simply hope to lose in order to try and acquire a top end draft pick. With the new draft lottery rules, it's too much of a gamble and even without them, there are countless examples of #1 overall picks that simply are not franchise players. Edmonton has had a whole host of them.

Agree to disagree.
 
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HankNDank said:
But your example focuses only on the draft, which is EA Sports bush league thinking at best. His example was essentially saying that the draft is only one part of a very complex system.
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No I never said that... I said tanking is the Best way to get certain assets you need to win. I also said you need good management. The discussion was started by someone saying tanking isn't the best way to get this talent with the new rule of the draft. I disagreed.

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I'm with you with regard to the poor decisions made by this management group. I do not agree though that all out tanking is a sure fire recipe for success. I'd rather see the team supplemented with some veterans and attempt to compete. This management team has made a number of very poor decisions - like Sutter, Ericksson, Gudbranson, etc., but I do not subscribe to any theory that the team is best off to just strip down to all rookies or young players and simply hope to lose in order to try and acquire a top end draft pick. With the new draft lottery rules, it's too much of a gamble and even without them, there are countless examples of #1 overall picks that simply are not franchise players. Edmonton has had a whole host of them.

Agree to disagree.
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I never said it was a sure fire way to success. You still need good management. I said it is the best way to get high end assets.

I think this team had a great chance to retool, with the twins, then this year, probably try and retool again. However management missed the mark by such a wide margin the team needs to be rebuilt from the ground up pretty much. I think the best place to get those assets is to tank and draft high with them.
 
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